作者ghghfftjack (慾望深厚的老衲)
看板Jeremy_Lin
标题[外絮] ISOLATION SCORING
时间Mon Dec 16 20:36:23 2013
http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=248305
火箭论坛的分析
ISOLATION SCORING, Statistical analysis of LIN vs HARDEN and the top 50
scorers ISO rankings
every corner of the internet has an opinion on ISO ball it seems. Who is
efficient at this particular shot and who is really really bad and should be
getting ridiculed for their continued shot selection which is hurting their
team. First lets look at the battle between Harden vs Lin
James Harden VS Jeremy Lin
Both terrific offensive players who have shown to be proven scoeres when
required, the debate between Harden and Lin in relation to isolations is
intriguing. so who is statistically better?
http://ppt.cc/ByBQ
(harden's data is in the white rows shown before Lins data in the grey rows)
Thats right, they are exactly the same on PPP (points per possession),
interesting after the hot start got off to at the start of the year Lin got
off to and the sluggish start James got off to, that the data still shows
both players converting at .97 PPS ranking them 17th in the league in
qualified players.
Although harden has almost 4x the amount of shots and only converting on
36.6% of shots for Harden to still be converting at a rate of .97 is
exceptional when compared to other notable players in the league.
简单说
在ISO的表现上 Lin跟 Harden目前为止几乎是同样出色
联盟球员中同样排名17
http://ppt.cc/3Rsa
also the table above shows Houston as a whole performance in the isolations.
We rank middle of the pack at 16th and have a PPP of .81 which are both below
out 2 primary ball handlers.
然而火箭整体在ISO的表现只能算是中下 排名16
(总体攻击表现倒是排名第3)
How the Top 50 scorers perform in isolations. note (lin does not qualify for
this list)
Im sure before you look at the graph i created you already have some wild
guesses, for instance "rudy gay will be inefficient" and from creating this
their wasnt really that many concerns. The biggest surprise to me was Lebron
only boasting a PPP on isolations of .85 which compared to the average for
percentage of isolations he takes is below average.
http://ppt.cc/PQL7
- Harden is above the average for the amount of shots taken. note even though
Parsons takes only 7.4% of his shots been isolations but converts them at a
terrible .54 PPP. Perhaps its the small sample size and will be interesting
to watch his stats.
- also secondly although dwight qualifies for the top 50 scorers he has only
taken 2 isolation plays for the year which equates to .5% of his total shots
and has not made one.
- if you would like to know where Lin would be on this graph then he would be
positioned just to the left of Dragic which like James Harden is above league
average
- Rudy gay is Rudy Gay, he takes the most ISO's for the amount of shots he
takes and is terribly inefficient
- Eric Bledsoe is ranked no.1 by synergy sports at 1.32 PPP as Wesley
Matthews 1.5PPP has not taken enough attempts.
高富帅在ISO上的表现非常差,PPP只有.54 (尽管有可能有小样本偏差)
(ISO在他的攻击手段中只占了7.4%)
上面那张图是前五十得分手的图 Lin的分数跟出手次数都很低所以不会上榜
如果想知道他在上面那张ISO图会排名哪里 根据出手数量还有效率会在Gragic左边
Rudy Gay ISO最多 但是效率颇差
目前ISO最强的是太阳的Bledsoe 1.5PPP领先群雄
(难怪太阳今年这麽强 一个水准以上的抓鸡跟第一名的布雷兽...)
Conclusion
Whether it frustrates you or not, just think about it, it could be a whole
lot worse if we didn't have efficient scores like Harden and Lin. Also note
that Harden has improved his isolation scoring from .93 PPP to this years .97
even with his slow start to the year. Things are looking up Clutchfans, we
are coming
结论 如果没有哈登跟Lin这两个高效单打得分手的话会颇惨的
(好像废话 可是其他不重要懒得翻)
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重点节录
1.哈登跟Lin两个人的ISO很强 不过哈登的ISO比重非常大 Lin就不是很高
2.火箭整体ISO的表现上不怎样 只有联盟中游水准
(上面那分析不晓得有没有扣掉Lin跟哈登 没有的话那颇惨的...虽然也只限ISO的部分)
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※ ghghfftjack:转录至看板 Rockets 12/16 20:37
1F:推 kinki999:林的iso很怕包夹~~还需要加强 12/16 20:38
2F:推 eileen86:推推!! 希望有别队来看货~这里有好货快来抢喔~~ 12/16 20:42
3F:推 bluesunflowe:不不不...一定有什麽地方弄错了~~Lin的ISO不强的~~ 12/16 20:47
4F:推 xknightx:等他打开就可以克服缺点了 实战经验少阿 12/16 20:48
5F:推 chiaomaster:推楼上 都没有球权阿 怎麽打? 12/16 20:54
※ 编辑: ghghfftjack 来自: 134.208.32.48 (12/16 20:55)
6F:→ miha80425:这季ISO可是一堆炸弹洗出来的 去年还不知道他ISO这麽猛 12/16 20:56
7F:推 tseng1304:林样本数太少,数据好都是错觉,火箭iso有胡子就够了 12/16 21:05
8F:推 eileen86:XDD 怎麽回事 12/16 21:21
9F:推 MaxScorpio:我只希望他平平安安 12/16 21:22
10F:推 Eric0605:林ISO时好像是会看人吃 ..不会硬打 12/16 21:25
11F:推 eileen86:他比较偏速度型 然後抓时间差切入成功率蛮高的 12/16 21:34
12F:推 claire612:等下又会有海巡出去说林迷黑哈登和CP了(摊手) 12/16 21:34
13F:→ wuling1001:脑补又怎样黑又怎样? 你祖骂我就是不爽就是要黑咬我啊 12/16 21:50
14F:→ wuling1001:要说要骂就说好了 老娘理直气壮怕你啊!!!!!!!!!!哼!!! 12/16 21:52
15F:推 ts0821: 传球功力好 会不会也间接提升 iso 的成功... 12/16 22:02
16F:推 miha80425:答案是不会 传球就是传球 12/16 22:03
17F:推 snow5420:我等着看火箭把Lin送走後会怎样 被打爆吧 12/16 22:07
18F:推 royehou:我觉得不一定 挡拆传的好 切入威力也会提升 12/16 22:07
19F:推 miha80425:ISO除了乾净俐落的进球外很看裁判哨音 大多数人不以ISO 12/16 22:08
20F:→ miha80425:当主要武器 12/16 22:08
21F:→ eileen86:哈哈 不会拉 人家可是B3耶~ 我十分看好他们 12/16 22:08
22F:→ miha80425:档拆就是档拆了 那不是ISO 12/16 22:08
23F:推 royehou:阿 抱歉 我一直在脑内跳针文中是指ISO非切入 12/16 22:13
24F:推 wylscott:所以整体而言 是ISO得分效率高还是挡拆? 12/16 22:13
25F:推 miha80425:顺带一提Lin做为档拆发动者FG 51.3% 排21名 12/16 22:13
26F:→ miha80425:ISO FG40.7% 18名 12/16 22:14
27F:→ miha80425:当然不是说ISO就比档拆差 这两个都是後卫取分的主力武器 12/16 22:15
28F:→ miha80425:ISO绝对可以避免传球带来的失误 12/16 22:17
29F:→ miha80425:档拆则是较稳定的拿分手段 只要不奶油的话... 12/16 22:18
30F:推 tseng1304:某西马上中枪XDDD 12/16 22:31
31F:推 miha80425:不过Lin在传球的掌握度上要多加强 或更果决攻击篮框也行 12/16 22:34
32F:→ miha80425:往往传球TO 都是太刻意传造成 12/16 22:36
33F:推 eileen86:其实OT也有因为队友跑位不积极 却算在林头上 (<-酸队友 12/16 22:43
34F:推 miha80425:这跟火箭对Lin的定位不明有很大的关系...我选择不黑球员 12/16 22:46
35F:→ miha80425:在火箭P&R man最好的DH 大都跟胡子配合演绎 12/16 22:47
36F:→ miha80425:Lin很少看到能跟DH来个配合的 胡子缺赛时才有些印象 12/16 22:48
37F:推 Mentha:Lin得到挡拆机会感觉真的不多... 12/16 22:48
38F:→ Mentha:印象中即便Harden养伤期间每场出现跟DH P&R配合的次数 12/16 22:49
39F:→ Mentha:应该也不会超过两次 12/16 22:49
40F:→ Mentha:去年是大家都还不熟所以挡拆也Call的哩哩辣辣 12/16 22:50
41F:→ Mentha:今年是战术都变了 Lin自己在战术上的地位也变了... 12/16 22:50
42F:推 miha80425:Lin根本被叫去当SG+等球射手用 火箭也不要他练默契 12/16 22:51
43F:→ miha80425:最令人讽刺的是 等球还等输命中率爆烂的小贝... 12/16 22:52
44F:推 Aswind:说实在 这种对林的使用法 林跟DH的默契不怎样 跟TJ、ASIK还 12/16 22:53
45F:→ Aswind:不错... / 今天看哈登打 他过半场会传给PB 但当他搭配林时 12/16 22:54
46F:→ Aswind:却鲜少主动传给林 真不知道他们之间是如何分配 12/16 22:55
47F:推 Mentha:要谈论Harden跟Lin之间的搭配问题可能就要脑补很多了 12/16 22:56
48F:→ Mentha:不要用脑补这个老是会引起战争的字眼 12/16 22:56
49F:→ Mentha:那就用模拟思考来讲好了 XD 12/16 22:56
50F:推 Mentha:不如这样说好了 Lin持球过半场的时候Harden不是先出来要球 12/16 22:58
51F:→ Mentha:不然就是站45度角忙自己的 12/16 22:59
52F:→ Mentha:所以先不谈什麽搭配还默契啥的 我认为教练组就是没给明确的 12/16 23:00
53F:→ Mentha:指令说 假设Lin这时候在盘球然後大家四散开来 请问这时候 12/16 23:00
54F:→ Mentha:Lin可能会做什麽? 可能会需要什麽支援? 12/16 23:00
55F:→ Mentha:我看到的状况却是只要Lin盘球在准备发动的机会下 12/16 23:01
56F:→ Mentha:大多时候顶多Call TJ或者DH或者Asik出来帮挡看看 12/16 23:01
57F:→ Mentha:然後就我观察这样挡拆的发动即使有了也常常不完整 12/16 23:02
58F:→ Mentha:结果就会反过来说Lin自己试着撕裂防守圈突破 或者传给 12/16 23:03
59F:→ Mentha:Parsons或Harden甚或TJ 12/16 23:03
60F:→ Mentha:所以结论 我只能说Lin在那边盘球 不论Harden在不在 12/16 23:04
61F:→ Mentha:都不会得到非常明确的支援或者小组搭配 12/16 23:04
62F:→ Mentha:我甚至认为去年Lin得到的支援都还比今年多了很多 12/16 23:05
63F:→ Mentha:今年的Lin就是个如果有需要的时候要自己来或者自己想办法 12/16 23:06
64F:→ Mentha:的队员 至於有Harden同时在场的时候 请把球给Harden 12/16 23:06
65F:→ Mentha:这样子队友就会比较知道怎麽动了 12/16 23:07
66F:→ Mentha:至於Harden持球的时候 我推论火箭要求Harden自己处理 12/16 23:08
67F:→ Mentha:让Harden自己去学习 至於Harden怎麽判断给球跟主动出击 12/16 23:09
68F:→ Mentha:这个就要看Harden自己的想法了 12/16 23:09
69F:推 Mentha:真要说的话 我认为甚至Harden都搞不太清楚Lin跟他同时在 12/16 23:13
70F:→ Mentha:场的时候到底要让Lin干嘛 12/16 23:13
71F:推 erotica:Big 3 + 替补豪 同场的阵势是这样 12/16 23:22
72F:→ erotica:1.哈登带 直接由哈登决定要给内线单打 挡拆 盘球准备iso 12/16 23:23
73F:→ erotica:2.阿豪带 过半场SF绕45度出来 阿豪公式化把球交出 12/16 23:24
74F:→ erotica: 哈登从另一边绕到弧顶 SF决定要给内线单打或给哈登 12/16 23:25
75F:→ erotica:一样的是阿豪没事以後就去底角 除非以上公式受到防守阻挠 12/16 23:27
76F:推 Mentha:..抱歉插个话 简单来说就是盘球过半场後给球还有底角射手 12/16 23:27
77F:→ erotica:或者是其他人开始发动进攻了 阿豪才能绕到45度角接应 12/16 23:27
78F:→ Mentha:恩...这样说起来其实定位也蛮明确的... 12/16 23:28
79F:推 erotica:基本上阿豪直接给哈登的球不多 火箭战术就是要先绕一下SF 12/16 23:30
80F:→ erotica:但如果是阿豪顶胡子打替补SG的时候 阿豪可没有这种绕出来 12/16 23:33
81F:→ erotica:到弧顶拿球主导攻势的接球 (很少) 反而PB小AB还会自己 12/16 23:35
82F:推 Mentha:所谓的绕一下SF是指请SF位置或者PF位置的人出来接应吗? 12/16 23:35
83F:→ erotica:当起攻势发动者...... 12/16 23:35
84F:→ Mentha:恩...所以简单来说就是Lin变得比较不是攻势发动者这样 12/16 23:36
85F:推 erotica:我觉得是SF喂给DH以後 give&go空切威力比较够 12/16 23:43
86F:→ erotica:所以火箭要这样让SF决定喂胡子或DH 12/16 23:43
87F:推 Mentha:原来如此 其实也可以理解 12/16 23:44
88F:→ Mentha:火箭空切最好的除了Parsons剩下TJ跟GS了吧 12/16 23:45
89F:→ Mentha:然後GS没有投射能力 不太能跟Howard配 12/16 23:46
90F:推 fluffyradish:记得总版有人拿数据打脸说CP ISO切入好 12/17 00:18
ISO不完全等於切入 假若没意外你说的 总板那个是说CP切入命中率高
※ 编辑: ghghfftjack 来自: 134.208.32.48 (12/17 00:20)
91F:推 avantgardej:这样的话三国分析真的蛮有逻辑性的 12/17 00:36
92F:→ avantgardej:感谢分享 12/17 00:36
93F:推 monk2:单论持球单打,火箭後场还有一个小AB、只是比较没爱 ... 12/17 10:15