作者shongzcwea (小灰)
看板Indians
标题[闲聊]Kelly Shoppach
时间Wed Dec 2 02:18:02 2009
Shopping for Shoppachby Dan Budreika - November 27, 2009
Kelly Shoppach is a potential non tender or trade candidate this off season.
But the soon-to-be 30 year old still does have value despite a disappointing
2009 season.
He’s destined for a raise after making nearly $2 million in 2009 and the
Indians have a MLB ready catcher in Lou Marson whose waiting in the wings.
And don’t forget about blue chip prospect Carlos Santana who will be banging
on the MLB door after destroying Double-A pitching in 2009.
The former Baylor standout was the first college catcher selected in the 2001
draft by the Red Sox. They used their first available selection on him in the
second round. He appeared on Baseball America’s top 10 Red Sox prospect lists
for a few seasons before being dealt away to Cleveland before 2006 in the
Coco Crisp deal.
Shoppach spent time as Victor Martinez’s backup and when Martinez went down
with injuries in 2008 Shoppach ran with the starting opportunity. He led all
starting catchers in 2009 ISO (.256) in 353 at-bats. All in all he hit
for a .370 wOBA but his .261/.348/.517 line was fueled by a .359 BABIP.
David G. successfully predicted a decline in Shoppach’s 2009 production. While
Shoppach’s 2009 batting average plummeted to .214 he still reached base at an
above average clip (.335) but his prestigious power that the hacktastic
Shoppach previously featured vanished. In 89 games and 271 at-bats Shoppach
slugged .399 with 12 home runs.
Shoppach was squeezed for playing time this season. Before some late season
trades he was vying for playing time with Victor Martinez as the regular
catcher and Ryan Garko at first base. Travis Hafner gobbled up DH time when his
shoulder cooperated with him. Prior to the trades Shoppach would typically see
playing time when Martinez played first base, Shoppach caught, and Garko hit
the pine or saw time at designated hitter. Shoppach didn’t receive an ample
opportunity to produce at the rate he did in 2008 until the trades of Garko
and Martinez.
With the acquisition of Lou Marson (who also received a September call up and
could start 2010 as the starting catcher) Shoppach doesn’t seem to fit in with
the Indians. They already have another capable and cheaper back up in Wyatt
Toregas. Marson and someone else (possibly Toregas) will likely keep the
catching seat warm until Carlos Santana bursts onto the big league scene.
While Shoppach didn’t receive the best opportunity to replicate his 2008
showing he still presents value to other MLB clubs if the Indians do indeed
decide to move on. Shoppach’s always been known as a strikeout prone (his
strikeout rate is right up there with Jack Cust and Mark Reynolds at 36%)
catcher with plus power and solid defense. Scouting reports usually treat
Shoppach well in the defensive department. But for what its worth from a recent
quantitative standpoint/analysis from new Fangraphs contributor Matt Klaassen
AKA Devil_Fingers he was rated as a smidge below average in 2009 (#84 on the
list and -1.5 totalruns).
While a throbbing .359 BABIP aided Shoppach’s stellar 2008 campaign a .286
BABIP cut into his 2009 slash stats. The average 2009 MLB hitters BABIP was
.299 and that may lead you to believe that Shoppach’s 2009 BABIP normally
regressed to the mean. But that is wrong. Shoppach’s consistently over
performed the league average BABIP throughout his short career until 2009.
Dating back to 2006 his BABIPS has been .286, .359, .357, and .387. It’s
likely a fluke that this number remained so high in 2006 and 2007 despite
just 110 and 161 at-bats.
This data tells us that Shoppach isn’t a .286 BABIP hitter and that number
damaged his 2009 numbers heavily even though he walked and struck out at a
similar rate to his 2008 season. The Hardball Times has the best BABIP
estimator currently available and this trusty tool can paint a much better
picture than raw BABIP. The new toy (and new Rotographs favorite) finds an
estimated BABIP based upon his rate of HR’s, K’s, SB’s, line drives, fly
balls, pop ups and groundballs. This tool gives us a .332 BABIP for Shoppach
in 2009 and a .322 mark for him during his 2008 career year. This estimator
suppresses his 2008 numbers but does not damage them as much as alternative
methods suggest.
Over Shoppach’s career (right around 900 at-bats) The Hardball Times BABIP
estimator has his estimated career BABIP at .327 so his 2009 expected BABIP of
.332 doesn’t sound out of line at all. This represents a much more realistic
BABIP skill for Shoppach. A .332 BABIP for Shoppach in 2009 would have given
him a .260/.381/.445 line assuming that all of those extra hits were singles.
It’s fair to assume that his power would have increased more than the normal
player with a boosted BABIP due to his known knack to hit for power so this
revised projection might be a little light on the power side. I’d personally
suppress the batting average and OBP a bit while adding some to the slugging
percentage. That gives you some nifty production from the catcher position that
some team will have to find resourceful if Cleveland decides to cut ties with
the arbitration eligible Shoppach.
It’s worth keeping a close eye on Shoppach’s situation this off season
especially since he doesn’t appear to fit Cleveland’s plans very well.
Wherever he lands the month of March will likely be key to his future. If
Shoppach receives ample playing time he should be a cheap source of power
from the catcher position and can be had extra late in your drafts or plucked
off of the waiver wire due to his uninspiring, yet misleading, 2009 campaign.
已经是几天前的文章了,有一点长就大意翻
2008年Shoppach打的非常非常的好 .261/.348/.517 ISO .256 BABIP .359
2009年因为远低於生涯平均的煞气BABIP.286(联盟平均.299)让他三围只有.217/.335/.399
如果用.332的BABIP来估2009,成绩会变成.260/.381/.445(LD%是生涯的新高的21.8%)
拥有很好的选球眼,唯一缺点是太会被K了...冏(K% 36.2%和Reynolds及Cust有得比)
其实想藉这篇文章请问笑脸人的版友们,贵队明年比较可能怎麽对待他呢?明年虽然不用
再和Garko.V-Mart.Pronk分打数,可是Marson已经ready了,下面还有Santana(真羡慕:P)
有可能会在今年交易他吗?甚至是non-tender?
PS 如果有违反版规或造成版友们不满请告诉我 我会自D :P
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1F:→ goopa:non-tender不可能,定位的话要看情况.... 12/02 02:31
2F:→ goopa:Marson打的不错,但是他应该是被定位成1.5号捕手... 12/02 02:31
3F:→ goopa:1号捕手是要空给Santana 12/02 02:31
4F:→ goopa:而Santana明年应该会要一个完整的3A球季... 12/02 02:32
5F:→ goopa:所以说比较合理的情况是让 Shoppach 跟Marson竞争先发位置 12/02 02:33
6F:→ goopa:Shoppach明年应该会有100~120场的先发 12/02 02:33
7F:→ goopa:如果打出行情的话,不排除在季中交易他 12/02 02:34
8F:→ shongzcwea:谢谢g大^^ 会有non-tender想法是看到MLB 17978的 12/02 02:36
9F:→ goopa:那篇有少可用之兵,有些是因为怕仲裁浪费钱,所以列上去 12/02 02:41
10F:→ goopa:但Kelly今年打这麽鸟,打仲裁也不可能打赢... 12/02 02:41
11F:→ goopa:薪水大约在1.5~2.0M之间.... 12/02 02:42
12F:→ goopa:用他打一年,提升交易价值是比较好的做法 12/02 02:42
13F:→ goopa:除非球队有把握 non-tender以後,可以用1M以内的价格签回 12/02 02:43
14F:→ goopa:否则即使让他走,还要找一个0.5~1.5M的二号捕手,省不了钱 12/02 02:44
15F:→ goopa:BTW...或许有人会想说,Santana今年在2A也满杀的... 12/02 02:48
16F:→ goopa:直接从2A拉到大联盟也不是没有球队干过 12/02 02:48
17F:→ goopa:如果把 Shoppach 交易掉,正好位置空出来让Santana一号搭配 12/02 02:49
18F:→ goopa:Marson二号 12/02 02:49
19F:→ goopa:但要考虑到目前球队对 Santana 期望甚高 12/02 02:50
20F:→ shongzcwea:这样的话会不会太奢侈!!!Orz 12/02 02:50
21F:→ goopa:自然不希望rush他,如果他能在3A证明他左右手的打击都可以屠 12/02 02:50
22F:→ goopa:杀那个level的投手,那八月份叫上来也不迟 12/02 02:51
23F:→ goopa:除此之外,你看板上讨论也知道明年是重建年 12/02 02:51
24F:→ goopa:想省钱想到锱铢必较的球队 12/02 02:52
25F:→ goopa:当然不会忘掉年资问题 12/02 02:52
26F:→ goopa:既然Santana至少还需要半个3A球季 12/02 02:52
27F:→ goopa:而好好控制日期绝对可以多用他一年 12/02 02:53
28F:→ goopa:那有必要在重建年的开季就让他从2A直升大联盟吗 12/02 02:53
29F:→ goopa:如果答案是没必要,那自然就是用 Shoppach 顶着,顺便培养一 12/02 02:54
30F:→ goopa:下交易价值发挥剩余的光芒 12/02 02:54
31F:→ shongzcwea:了解了 再次感谢goopa大 :P 12/02 02:58
32F:→ goopa:我不是说 Shoppach 一定不会被移动 (也许会有球队提出不错的 12/02 03:00
33F:推 matsui32:我在想,那些触身球可能对他也造成成绩上的影响 12/02 03:00
34F:→ goopa:价码来换他想说逢低买进) 那顺势交易也是有可能的 12/02 03:01
35F:→ matsui32:希望10年盲炮少盲多炮 触身球还是少挨一点好 12/02 03:01
36F:→ goopa:但没有特别的诱因,应该也不会特别动到他 12/02 03:01
37F:→ goopa:原因就如前述,目前是把Santana定位为大物 未来的一号捕手 12/02 03:02
38F:→ goopa:而Marson是1.5号捕手,送礼自用两相宜那型 12/02 03:02
39F:→ goopa:如果说有人把 Marson也视为是全明星捕手潜力的类型 12/02 03:03
40F:→ goopa:那把 Shoppach 清掉空位置给他很合理,但目前评估不是这样 12/02 03:04
41F:推 Belladonaa:推文看到光芒两字...算是预言中吗? 12/02 03:56
42F:→ Belladonaa:Rays Acquire Kelly Shoppach 12/02 03:57