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标题[外絮] 打破沉默!!老鹰交易来 Jeremy Lin
时间Sat Jul 14 12:22:04 2018
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Breaking down the Hawks’ acquisition of Jeremy Lin
...第一段没翻跳过
The details of the move, which technically occurs separate from the Nets’
other trade with Denver: Atlanta picks up Jeremy Lin, the right to swap 2023
second-round picks with Brooklyn, and the Net’s unprotected 2025
second-round pick, in exchange for Isaia Cordinier, who was selected 44th
overall in 2016, and a top-55 protected second-rounder from the Trail
Blazers. Lin’s contract stipulates that he’ll make $13.8 million in 2018-19
after the trade also triggered a 10 percent trade bonus in his contract,
which is paid by the Nets but will count against the Hawks’ cap sheet.
Cordinier played with Atlanta’s entry in Summer League each of the last two
seasons, but missed the second half of his season overseas with double knee
surgery to alleviate tendinitis. It was unlikely he was ever going to be an
NBA player and certainly having simultaneous surgery on his knees won’t
improve his stock in that area.
关於交易细节 先不提之後篮网和金块的交易:老鹰交易来林书豪,
及2023年二轮签互换权,和篮网未受保护的2025年二轮签,
而篮网拿到 Isaia Cordinier ,2016年第44顺位,
及来自拓荒者队的前55名保护二轮签。
而林书豪的合约有关细条规定,当被原球队交易时会同时触发10% trade bonus
所以加上10% trade bonus後lin的2018-19年薪就变1380万元,其中10% trade bonus
由篮网支付,但将会算到老鹰的薪资空间上 。
Cordinier在过去两个赛季中都有参加夏季联赛,
而上季为减轻肌腱炎而动了双膝手术,因此错过上个在海外赛季的下半季。
他不太可能成为一名NBA球员,
并且可以确定的是双膝手术将不会改善他的肌腱炎伤势。
In the purest of vacuums, it’s hard to argue with the value of getting a
mid-tier starting point guard and at least one second-rounder with a bit more
than half of the team’s remaining cap space. Lin is immediately the best
point guard on the roster, provided he’s able to return from his own knee
surgery to be the player he was previously, and should take over the starting
spot on opening night. There’s been no indication that the Hawks plan to
move on from Lin in the near-term and while Dennis Schröder is more
highly-paid and the incumbent starter, Lin provides more value at the
position as a shooter and playmaker, both attributes general manager Travis
Schlenk has mentioned as top priorities in Atlanta’s rebuild.
In the purest of vacuums,
对於拥有一名中等级先发控球後卫和一名至少二轮选手
很难去争论他们的价值,而他们只占球队剩余薪资空间的一半以上。
假若lin能够从膝盖手术中恢复原有的身手,林会是轮替名单上最好的控球後卫
这点没有疑虑,到那个时候lin就应该会在开幕战打先发位置,
来帮老鹰增加票房收入及吸引媒体球迷目光,达到宣传效用。
而目前没有任何迹象表明老鹰会在近期内将林书豪交易或买断,
相较於德软的薪水更高,还是现任先发球员,
林书豪作为射手及可以组织控球发起攻势的球员还比德软更有价值,
而林书豪的这二项技能也就是GM Travis Schlenk
先前表示过的老鹰重建要找的球员优先先看重的二项能力。
However, individual moves don’t happen in a vacuum and while the trade to
bring in at least two valuable assets and send out essentially nothing can be
viewed as a positive, the other move attached to this trade and the
surrounding financial marketplace play massive roles in assessing exactly
what the Hawks were thinking in making this particular deal. As has been
written about ad nauseum, there were very few teams with cap space to use
this summer, with the Hawks starting Thursday as just one of four teams
reasonably capable of reaching double-digit space. The edict from Schlenk was
that his team was going to use their space to take on a contract from another
team in an effort to add to their war chest of future draft picks. If the
player attached to that contract can shoot and pass, even better. From that
limited perspective, the Hawks once again achieved what they set out to do,
but given that the deal was almost simultaneously reported with the Nets’
acquisition of Kenneth Faried, Darrell Arthur, a protected first-rounder,
and an unprotected second-rounder, it’s hard not to imagine what could have
been for Atlanta.
然而,老鹰目前阵容没什变动,虽然这次交易至少带来两个有价值的资产
而送出没什实质有价的签
,另一个与此交易相关的操作,老鹰正在确实评估下笔交易。
As has been written about ad nauseum
而自由球员市场进行到现在还有薪资空间的球队也不多了,
周四老鹰先和球员人数已达二位数的四支球队中的其中一支球队,进行谈判。
来自Schlenk的决策是利用老鹰的薪资空间来帮其它队吃想丢掉的合约,
以此来累积未来选秀签。 而如果交易的配菜球员有投射能力和传球组织能力的话,
那就更好了。
从这有限观点来看,老鹰队至少再次执行了他们预计要做的操作,
但这笔交易的同时篮网也跟金块交易到 Kenneth Faried, Darrell Arthur
,及受保护的第一轮签和无保护的第二轮签,
很难想像老鹰本来还可以做些什交易操作。
League-wide, it was an open secret that the Denver Nuggets needed to shed
salary. After re-signing Nikola Jokic and Will Barton to massive raises, they
were staring down the barrel of a huge tax bill, so they quickly made their
moves – Wilson Chandler was shipped to Philadelphia and Faried and Arthur
are set to be moved to Brooklyn – to get out from under that financial
burden. With so few teams with enough space to take on that money and more
than just Denver looking to move on from their bigger-salaried players, it
was a buyer’s market; teams like Atlanta, Brooklyn, Chicago, and Sacramento
could dictate terms and find the very best deal to maximize that space.
现在NBA每支球队,大家都知道金块需要减少薪资空间。
尤其在签回Nikola Jokic and Will Barton後薪资空间爆增,
他们正急着清空间来避奢侈税,所以他们很快的采取交易行动 -
Wilson Chandler被送到76人,Faried and Arthur被打包交易到篮网
-以从这奢侈税负担中解脱出来。
现在很少有足够空间的球队来帮金块吃合约,
而现在能帮金块清掉烂约的球队的,
有老鹰,篮网、公牛和国王队。
The Nuggets found their match with the Nets, who had to move Lin to Atlanta
to get the requisite cap space, which begs the question – why didn’t
Atlanta do the same deal with Denver directly, rather than using most of
their space in a trade that netted no first-round picks? The Hawks had the
necessary space and were operating under the same asset-gathering philosophy
as Brooklyn, so it seemed to be a natural fit between the Nuggets and Hawks
to get a deal done as soon as the Jokic and Barton deals were reported.
而金块发现了他们与篮网有交易可能性,
篮网因此不得不将林书豪交易到到老鹰来获取必要的薪资空间
,这就引出了一个问题 -
为什麽老鹰没有直接跟金块做同样的交易,
而不是将他们大部分空间用於没有首轮签的交易?
老鹰也跟篮网一样有足够的空间来帮金块吃烂约,
并且老鹰也有意跟篮网一样吃烂约拿签,
所以在看到Jokic和Barton签完约消息後,
老鹰能帮金块吃烂约好像也蛮合情合理的。
Perhaps that same offer wasn’t on the table for the Hawks, for interpersonal
reasons between the two front offices or a myriad of other reasons why deals
don’t get done. Even if that same trade wasn’t available to Schlenk and his
staff, the logic of waiting for most of free agency to conclude and then
taking on Lin’s contract and no first-round picks raised some eyebrows
或许两个前线办公室之间存在人际关系原因,或者为什麽交易没有完成,
还有许多其他原因,对於老鹰来说,也许没有相同的报价。
也许没有相同的交易内容报给Schlenk和他的团队,
而等大多数自由球员都被签走後,然後交易来林书豪且没有首轮签的逻辑
引起了一些人的质疑。
There are still moves to be made for the Hawks, who can immediately package
Lin with other players in a separate trade or hold him and attempt to trade
the immovable object that is Schröder’s contract. With Atlanta apparently
interested in keeping Lin on the roster through the end of his contract in
2019, Schröder becomes even more available than he already was.
老鹰队仍然还可以有一些交易可以操作,
他们可以立即将林跟其他球员 来操作交易,
或者留下他并试图交易德软。
而老鹰似乎比较倾向於有兴趣留下林书豪,
而Schröder becomes even more available than he already was。
德软留下可能性变得更高了?
There’s a school of thought that theorized that the Hawks already have a
buyer for Schröder lined up, so they brought Lin in as a short-term
replacement until Trae Young is ready to take over the team in his sophomore
season, but given that the organization is committed to a long-term rebuild
(read: tanking) this season, spending $13.8 million of valuable cap space on
a point guard to shepherd a losing team doesn’t make a ton of sense. There
are plenty of options available for the minimum who wouldn’t have been
nearly as good as Lin, but again, they don’t want to be good anyway.
还有一派认为,老鹰队已经为Schröder找到买主还已经在排队了,
所以他们交易Lin过来打一年先发过渡
直到Trae Young第二年有实力能打先发时,
但监於老鹰本赛季致力於长期重建(阅读:坦克),
现在还花了1380万元的宝贵薪资空间找来一名控球後卫来养
对一支确定要坦的球队并没有多大意义。
有很多选择,至少现在也找不到像林一样好的PG,
但也许,他们打算坦到底了。
If they do have something for Schröder in the works, it won’t change the
fact that taking the offer from Denver, should it have been on the table, and
signing a minimum point guard to replace Schröder would have been a better
option than how the Hawks handled this trade. Names like Devin Harris and
Jameer Nelson could have provided more losing value than Lin on a tenth of
his contract, leaving their powder dry for a more lucrative salary dump later
in the summer. Atlanta still holds between $7.7 million and $10.4 million in
cap space, which is enough to take on another player with more
second-rounders, but any dreams of making a big splash on the trade market
are made much more difficult with the acquisition of Lin.
如果当初对德软能多上点心,即使这不会改变从金块那里获得报价的事实,
或者现在都已经被摆在台面上了覆水难收
,那就用低薪签一个堪用的控球後卫来替换德软 还比较是一个更好的选择
搞成现在老鹰该怎麽处理德软的交易。
像 Devin Harris and Jameer Nelson这些球员可以贡献更多
还只有LIN合约薪资的十分之一而已
leaving their powder dry for a more lucrative salary dump later
in the summer.
若没有交易LIN过来的话,至少还能多操作一笔交易拿签
而现在老鹰就还有约770万到1040万薪资空间还足够能在帮吃一张约
来拿到一支以上二轮签
但因为现在交易来LIN後使得现在交易拿签操作变得更加困难。
Hanging over the entire move is Lin’s immense worldwide popularity and the
Hawks’ increasing need to be relevant in one way or another during their
extended rebuild. Whether the team wins or loses, Lin will sell tickets,
jerseys, and other Hawks-related merchandise all over the globe, which will
certainly be a benefit to the team’s finances. It wouldn’t be the first
time the Hawks made a move (at least in part) for off-the-court financial
reasons under Tony Ressler – many attribute the signing of Dwight Howard in
2016 to be heavily influenced by ownership’s desire to sell tickets rather
than what was actually better for the team. This isn’t to say Lin is a bad
player or isn’t worth his contract, because he almost certainly is when
healthy, but to this specific Hawks team in the first phase of their rebuild,
the extra on-court value he brings isn’t beneficial enough to outweigh the
$13.8 million in cap space that his contract eats. Ownership’s finances are
just another aspect of these moves that outsiders will never know – Lin
brings with him hordes of fans who will absolutely spend enough on tickets
and merchandise to outweigh his contract, especially given that he’ll likely
be the starter for Atlanta in 2018-19, but unless there’s an unforeseen move
to come in the near future, it’s difficult to see how the Hawks are in a
better long-term position than they were when Thursday began.
老鹰重建期间就靠林书豪帮老鹰来增加比赛可看度及增加商业收入及获利
,这无疑将对球队的财务状况有所帮助。
这可不是老鹰第一次托尼·雷斯勒(Tony Ressler)
为了场外获利而操作交易受欢迎球员过来(至少部分) -
很多人认为2016年DH的到来门票卖得不错。
这并不是说林是一个糟糕的球员或薪资太贵,因为他几乎肯定会健康回归的,
而对於老鹰队的重建初期,
他带来的额外场上价值是有利於超过他的合约1380万美元於球队实质获利。
LIN的商业价值是在球场上所看不到的,另一个方面 - 林带来了大量的粉丝,
他们绝对会在门票和商品上花足够的钱来超过他的薪资,
尤其是很可能LIN会在下个赛季打先发,有复建完成前提下
但除非之後老鹰有什无法预料的操作外,
目前很难看出老鹰在周四後打算采取的动作。
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1F:推 qwerty789: Trade bonus签的很棒,林真的受够被交易了。 07/14 13:01
2F:→ qwerty789: 老鹰的立场而言,没帮吃烂约换签,算是亏。老鹰目前的 07/14 13:01
3F:→ qwerty789: 阵容,後续还会有交易。期待.... 07/14 13:01
4F:推 ninaman: 推 老鹰没直接找金块或其他队谈帮吃约拿首轮真的很奇怪 07/14 13:03
5F:推 O10lOl01O: +10%薪水 爽爽的 07/14 13:04
6F:→ ninaman: 也希望老鹰能重视林在场上的影响力 而不只是场外的效益 07/14 13:04
7F:推 chih2loveu: 後续交易不用太期待@@现在有价值的大概只有Dedmon或Mu 07/14 13:30
8F:→ chih2loveu: s 但也换不到啥好东西 剩下的中生代看可不可换薪资高 07/14 13:30
9F:→ chih2loveu: 但短的烂约 07/14 13:31
10F:推 aoka: 等他们发现放林在场上会多拿好几场胜利就会把他完全冷冻了 07/14 13:56
11F:推 JerrySloan: 楼上跟我想的一样 湖人不就这样搞 07/14 14:47
12F:推 O10lOl01O: 能这样有啥不好 至少证明健康和身手都ok 就等下张大约 07/14 15:37
13F:推 downtoearth: 合约年又交易到坦队 希望不要像当年湖人的BS一样... 07/14 16:04
14F:推 lion500: 林只要能证明还有实力, 季中很有可能会被交易 07/14 16:34
15F:→ lion500: 到有要打季後赛的球队去补强 07/14 16:34
16F:→ lion500: 我觉得他现在如果教练方针是要坦 07/14 16:35
17F:→ lion500: 大概也会配合一下吧 07/14 16:35
18F:推 donnylee: 现在不知道林会不会配合…只知道湖人那时候是想输就绝对 07/14 17:42
19F:→ donnylee: 不能让林在场上 07/14 17:42
20F:推 KINMENKING: 结果大家想的都一样XD 07/14 18:50
21F:→ KINMENKING: 老鹰要飞了,谁跟你坦... 07/14 18:50
22F:→ chih2loveu: 老鹰自然坦吧 明年再补一个侧翼 07/14 19:26
23F:推 gidapops: 会不会跟同地的勇士队一样 坦到进季後赛 07/14 22:02
24F:→ gidapops: 还是像道奇一样 想说没人要坦 结果变成分区冠军 07/14 22:03
25F:推 ninaman: 坦不坦会看战绩吧 像这季的溜马 PG走了本来想坦 结果Ola 07/15 00:29
26F:→ ninaman: 一来 战绩好 气势拉起来 就算想坦球迷也不同意 07/15 00:30
27F:推 xyyzzz: 要功能性射手马刺一堆 欢迎拿签来换 2轮也可以欧XD 07/15 01:02
28F:→ xyyzzz: 1-4号任君挑选 种类齐全 07/15 01:03
※ 编辑: chiminglin (111.246.36.94), 07/15/2018 08:46:08
29F:推 merkx051: 林真的那麽强 放上去就能多拿胜利 谁还会交易他 07/15 12:31
30F:→ merkx051: 你有看过勇士把curry交易掉或火箭把harden交易掉吗 07/15 12:32
31F:→ merkx051: 预期是坦队的溜马也没把打的好的ola冰起来 07/15 12:33
32F:推 kuloda: 交易有很多原因,不用讲这些简单的逻辑 07/15 13:10
33F:→ kuloda: Lin前年明星赛後复出对篮网胜利的贡献有目共睹 07/15 13:10
34F:推 kuloda: 他前年在黄蜂季後赛的几场胜利也都是关键球员 07/15 13:15
35F:→ kuloda: 很多东西其实如果你不熟可以去查 07/15 13:15
36F:推 gidapops: 回一下merkx051 pb不错用吧 那干嘛加价换cp3 就升级啊 07/15 13:20
37F:→ gidapops: 篮网目前就後场太多 拿出去换空间 补其他 这样难理解? 07/15 13:20
38F:推 kuloda: 篮网前年有林先发13胜20败,没有林先发7胜42败。 07/15 13:44
39F:→ ddfg: 只要有不错的配菜就会有所发挥吧 07/15 19:12