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http://www92.hattrick.org/Community/Press/?ArticleID=18924 作者 HPE-Frank_ Four years ago, I wrote “With home-grown players to the top” (13392). In that article, I predicted that within 15 seasons, I would rise to the top leagues, without buying any players. Almost 15 seasons have passed since I started this project. Time to evaluate! 四赛季前,作者写了With home-grown players to the top一文 (13392), 这位作者预测,他可以在15赛季内,不买任何外援,只靠母会球员,爬到顶级联赛, 写文到现在已经超过15赛季,检验吧。 In 2010, after having played Hattrick for five years, I was forced to start all over again. With my new club I decided to make my own home-grown team plan. At first, the whole idea of playing without any players from outside was just for fun, but after a while, I calculated that with my plan, I should be able to get very decent ratings. I wrote it all down in the HTP-article mentioned before, published in 2011 (13392). 2010,玩HT的5年後,作者被迫重新开始玩游戏。 这位作者开始决定只用母会球员,不买任何外援。这计画,一开始只是好玩, 但是不久後,透过计算,作者认为他的球队可以得到很好的评级。 这些计算都记录在(13392)这篇2011年的社论。 I calculated that 1) I should be able to get 448 hatstats and that 2) I would compete in the highest leagues. In the discussion following publication in 2011 (15076967.1), many users doubted about the possibilities of my plan, so we agreed to talk again after 15 seasons. Ever since, I’ve followed the plan quite close. 作者计算得到的结论 : 1. 可到448评级 2. 可升到顶级联赛并有竞争力 (该作者是哪国啊 ?) 在2011年(15076967.1)一文中,很多人对计画持怀疑态度,当时决定15赛季後重新检验。 从那时起,作者几乎完美的执行他的计画。 Skills 技能 In 2011, I calculated the player skills I should get after 15 seasons of training. I am happy to see that the training calculator did its job well at the time, because I’ve managed to reach most desired skill levels after 15 seasons. In short (without going into too much detail), my players (sorted by age) are like this now: 在2011年,作者计算透过训练,15赛季後的球员技能地图。 当时的计算结果是好的,15赛季过去,该作者几乎达到了他想得到的技能。 以下简短介绍。 32 year old: 32岁老B 1 goalkeeper: level 11 goalkeeping with lvl 10 defense. 守门员一枚,守门11级 + 防守10级 27-31 year old: 27-31老B 1 wingback: lvl 12 defense with 11 winger and 10 passing. 2 central defenders: 12 defense, 11 playmaking and 9 passing; one of them has 9 winger as well. 3 inner midfielders: 14 playmaking (all dropped from 15), 10 defense and passing; two of them have 8/9 winger as well. 2 wingers: 14 playmaking, 12 wing, 11 passing and defense, 7 scoring (both quick). 3 defensive forwards: 13 playmaking, winger, scoring and passing (350k+ tsi). The other one is 11/12 on those 4 skills. The third one is technical: 11 playmaking, passing and scoring, 9 defense, 7 winger. I thought of him as a player for the bench, but he plays most of the time as TdF. 边後卫1人,防守12 + 传球10 中後卫2人,防守12 + 组织11 + 传球9,其中1人带边锋9。 中前卫3人,组织14(从15下来的) + 防守10 + 传球10,其中2人带8/9级的边锋。 边锋2人 ,组织14 + 边锋12 + 传球11 + 防守11 + 进球7 (2人均速度哥) 防守前锋3人,1人组织13 + 边锋13 + 进球13 + 传球13 (350000+ TSI) 1人组织、边锋、进球、传球均11-12。 1人组织11、传球11、进球11、防守9、边锋7,技术哥,板凳球员, 但是长打TDF。 22-23 year old: 22-23岁球员 3 normal forwards: the first has 12 scoring and passing. The other two have 11 scoring and passing. 常规前锋3人,第一人进球12 + 传球12,其他两人进球11 + 传球11 All of them have 11 to 14 set pieces and rising. 以上的球员都有11-14的定位球,而且还在上升中。 I got 3 headers (2 defenders, 1 forward), 6 (!) quick players (3 forwards, 2 wingers and 1 inner midfielder), 1 technical forward and 1 unpredictable forward. I am especially happy about my quick wingers and forwards. They are very effective. 作者有3个头球(後卫2、前锋1),6个速度哥 !! (前锋3、边锋2、中前卫1), 1个技术前锋,1个不可预测前锋。 作者对速度前锋和边锋很满意,他们很有用。 All this amounts to 1.8m tsi and 166k wages. 这批球员总计达到1.8M TSI,166K工资。 Ratings 评级 In the 2011-article I predicted I would be able to reach 448 hatstats. In reality, however, I get higher ratings. 509 hatstats is my record, playing pin at home: (515850184), using a neutral coach. In P-stats (57.9) I had the strongest team of all Spanish divisions in the sixth round of season 46: (http://goo.gl/YfOfJi) 作者在2011年预测可到448评级,事实上作者最高纪录到达509, 在(515850184)这场主场开普通,使用平衡教练的比赛。 在P-stats (57.9),作者在46赛季的西班牙联赛第六比赛日事最佳队伍。 (http://goo.gl/YfOfJi) Below, I give you an idea about the strength and limitations of my current home born and grown team, sorted by zone: 以下简单介绍作者只有母会球员,球队近期的优缺点、限制以区域分类。 Defense 後防线 Playing 442 without individual orders, I only get ET (level 16) in counter attack ability, and - more important - around level 15/16 in all three defense zones: (513329581), and this last example even includes a pullback. This means that my defense is the weakest link of my team. I will not be able to put a decent counter attack formation in the highest league levels: no way I reach divine side defenses, not even playing with 5 defenders or with a defensive minded coach… 防守是罩门 !! 打442,不设定特别的换人条件,防守反击战术评级为16,三线防守只有15-16。 (513329581)这场最近的比赛,甚至包含了回撤事件。 这代表防守是球队最弱的部分,无法在西班牙最高联赛放好的防守反击阵容, 到不了边防20级,甚至打5後卫、使用防守教练也到不了边防20。 In non-counter attack games, my defense is normally good enough: I played 253 against a first division team, and managed to stop his attacks by boosting just one side of my defense. This is because (as said), most top teams use 2 TdF’s, which is great for their side attacks, but leaves them with virtually none center attack. I kicked this team out of the cup reaching level 17 on right defense, 11 on center defense and leaving the left side defense almost open (6): (498139762). Also here, the pullback helped me. 不打防反的比赛,通常防守是足够的。 作者打253应付一只顶级联赛队伍,使用一个足够强的边防评级去防守。 这样的策略,通常是因为大部分顶击球队使用两个TDF,让边攻到达很好的评级, 但是中攻因此牺牲。 作者在杯赛淘汰了这队,使用期中一边的边防17、中防11、另一边边防6(几乎放空城), (498139762)这是比赛,同时撤回事件也帮了大忙。 Midfield 中场 Midfield is a strong point of my team. In ideal circumstances (mots, and all players repositioned towards middle), I can even reach a divine (20) midfield. In an important mid-league home match playing pin with high TS, I can easily reach to an ET (16) midfield. My midfield is competitive to most first division teams. 中场是强项 !! 在完美的环境(生死 + 所有球员靠中场调整),中场评级几乎可到20。 在重要的联赛中段战比赛,有团队并开普通,可以轻松到16中场评级, 应付大部分西班牙顶级联赛球队,中场是作者的强项。 Attack 攻击 If needed, I can get very good side attacks (level 24, divine ++++, on both sides): (515850165), and a mythical (very high) central attack. I don’t use the center attack option often, but having the possibility is enough: my opponents never know whether they should expect it, so they are forced to play with 3 defenders when they expect to lose midfield. Also, my three normal forwards are great subs. When one of my 11 multiskills can’t play, I put one of the normal forwards in the field. It helps that the remaining 10 multiskills can play on almost all positions. 如果需要,作者可以堆到评级24的两条边攻,以及一个mythical非常高中攻 (515850165) 中攻通常不是作者的主要武器,但是保持中攻的威胁性,让对手不得不重视, 对手不得不被迫在摆3後卫,如果他们预测比赛会输(防中攻)。 同时作者的三个普通前锋也是很好的替补球员,如果作者的11个先发(多技能)有人受伤, 作者就把常规前锋放上场,也是得益於其余10个多技能球员几乎可以踢场上所有位置。 Average ratings 平均评级 Another way to evaluate my home-grown team's strength is analysing season averages. This gives you a more balanced idea of the possibilities. Last season, I averaged 405 hatstats and 44.0 p-stats in my league. This season, after nine league rounds, I rank 14th in Spain nationwide, with 448 hatstats and 49,8 P-stats. That’s higher than 3 of the 8 teams from the Spanish first division: (http://goo.gl/R9x8Gx). Btw, 448 hatstats is exactly what I predicted back in 2011. :) 分析赛季平均是另外一种衡量作者母会策略强度的方法,这也提供了更平衡的概念。 上赛季作者联赛平均评级405,以及44.0 p-stats。 这赛季经过9场联赛比赛,作者排全西班牙14,评均评级448、以及49,8 P-stats。 (http://goo.gl/R9x8Gx)。 这比期中三队西班牙顶级联赛的球队高,同时448几乎就是作者2011年预测的结果。 In short: I get very decent ratings, but my team still isn’t strong enough to compete in a first division league. I can win against the occasional first division team (like this challenge (5845976), this secondary cup quarter final (498139762), or this tournament game (5845868)), but I don’t have a first division team myself. This is mainly because I lack the defensive strength needed for a decent counter attack-game. Without the occasional counter attack, it's very hard to build TS in the highest divisions. I hope I can partly make up for this next season with a defensive minded coach. 简短来说,作者有非常好的评级,可以拿下任何一队, 但是仍然不够在西班牙顶级联赛竞争。主要还是防守问题,防守不够威。 没有足够的防反能力,要在高级别的联赛建立TS不容易。 作者希望能在这赛季提升防守。 Economy 经济 In the 2011 training plan, I calculated 327k euros of weekly salaries. I think it’s mostly because of HT measures (tweaking salaries) that in reality, I never payed more than 185k a week. This only gets less, as my players are done training main skills and get older. I got 9+ million euros on my bank account, and my current two week balance extremely positive. Economy is just not really an issue for home grown teams. 在2011的预测,作者计算平均工资是327K欧元每周。 但是实际上,作者从未付超过185K一周,原因主要是计算模组(tweaking salaries)。 而且主力主技能训练完成、老化,这数字会逐渐变低。 作者有900M+欧元的存款,而且每两周的损益平衡能正很多。 经济绝对不是母会技化球队应该关心的主题。 Reached the top? 到达顶尖 At the time, I claimed optimistically: “no doubt that in order to reach the highest leagues, you’ll have to grow your own players!” Almost 15 seasons have passed, and where am I now? Well, I play in IV at the moment, but I have the ratings to promote to III: I have the best team of my division in Spain. That I play lower than expected is mainly because of bad luck. According to htev.org, I got three seasons of extreme bad luck in a row (2x wretched and 1x poor luck, see (http://goo.gl/EyuNq0), (http://goo.gl/zZfNNs) and (http://goo.gl/pahWZ2)). Also, I make bad tactical decisions too often. I am not at the very top, but I think I am getting close. As I will point out in the next part of this article, I guess I can squeeze this team out for 5 or 6 more seasons. Than I’ll have to renovate and stop being competitive for a while. So I got 5 or 6 seasons more to show what my team got. In those seasons to come, training will not be that important anymore; maintaining skills, form and stamina will be my main preoccupation. My goal now is to play in III and than, hopefully, II. That will be hard: I get high ratings, but so do other teams. I am not the only one taking advantage of the loyalty bonus and faster training! What now, how to replace my old players? The question I get most is how I plan to renew my squad once my “golden generation” (the 10/11 core players) gets too old. Once this cycle runs to an end, I will start a second cycle of 5 real life years. I will start all over again, with full power training and only 5% of stamina training. However, I will try to become competitive again as fast as possible. This is how I've planned it (roughly): Although the core of my players is from one generation (currently between 27 and 31 years old), I also have 3 younger forwards (around 23 years old) and an older keeper (now 32). I am currently training a 16 year old goalie in my youth academy, so he will be able to replace my current goalkeeper in around 3 seasons. Even when the 10 core players are very old and losing skills/stamina, I still have a young keeper and 3 relatively young forwards. Of course, I will notice a big drop in ratings, but not as big as one might think. The 10 ancient core players can still play on non-trainable positions for several seasons. Of course they will be very old (36+) with low stamina, but I can rotate the old core players on non-trainable positions using 3 subs, so I won't give away entire zones during the matches. Personally, I think that at all times in the new cycle I will be able to compete in division VI or similar. Most top teams experience a break of several seasons after having played in the top divisions, so this is not something that worries me. The alternative would be playing for a longer time (eternally?) on a lower level (like IV or V), but that's simply not my ambition. I prefer to drop back to VI and try to reach the top levels again in 2020 or 2021, when my second cycle reaches its full potential. Conclusion 节论 To conclude I would say that I am happy to see that my team is as strong (or even stronger) than I predicted in 2011. 448 hatstats proved to be a realistic, and even quite low, goal. I almost can't believe I crashed the 500 hatstats barrier! The other ambition (playing in the first division) seems harder to realise. I still have 5 or 6 seasons to get there, but it will be hard. Many other teams use the home-grown and loyalty bonus at least for some zones, and average ratings are increasing at all levels in the competition. To finalize, I would like to thank all members of the Dutch federation "Eigen jeugd in het eerste" and all participants in one of the most active threads in the Spanish national forum: "Canteranos". It's great being part of this active home-grown community! --



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1F:→ bolam: 还缺一些没翻,之後有机会补,或是有人可帮.. !! 05/23 23:55
2F:推 smart0eddie: 只能说这家伙抽的有点爽 05/24 03:15
3F:推 killmejohn: 一个人的成功不代表大家都可以XD GLHF LOL 05/24 03:17
4F:→ bolam: 我认为..重点不在自产或是买..而是是否足够了解引擎 05/24 09:45
5F:→ bolam: 一个经理,能靠外援搞到500+,我认为就能靠自产搞到480+ 05/24 09:46
6F:→ bolam: 差别在於,买外援立竿见影,只是需要足够银弹.. 05/24 09:46
7F:→ bolam: 自产队需要很长的时间训练、也需要一些抽人运气 05/24 09:47
8F:推 smart0eddie: 不同意 自产跟自练完全是两码子事 05/24 13:59
9F:→ smart0eddie: 自练是你对游戏够了解就一定练得起来 05/24 14:01
10F:→ smart0eddie: 反正抽不到就市场买来练 05/24 14:01
11F:→ smart0eddie: 自产就 05/24 14:01
12F:→ smart0eddie: 所以这家伙运气全用在抽人上了(X 05/24 14:01
13F:→ bolam: 说的也是,自产vs自练,差别还是有的.. 05/24 14:47







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