作者windfish (鲔鱼)
看板Hattrick
标题Re: U20国教临时重新选举(TNP的目标与手段)
时间Thu Jan 9 16:06:16 2014
以下是dude_ro在TNP回复POA经理MRight的文章,里面解释了TNP的目标和他们
达成目标的方法。我想很多人对此很好奇,我在google+贴了一次,这里也贴一份,
dude已经加入google+(Robert Florea),已经在里面的朋友可以去那问他。
Regarding bolam's claim that we're not letting taiwanese players to taiwanese
teams.
We have quite a few great local users that care a lot for u20/NT:
Skipper, Lin, Deguoxiaoma, Tony_Yu, Grapesnake, maliceaj, Robert-O,
Rolling_paper, Barlog, Farmer (sorry if i missed somebody).
虽然Bolam说我们(TNP)不让台湾球员留在台湾球队,
事实上,配合U20/NT训练计画的本土玩家并不少:
Skipper, Lin, Deguoxiaoma, Tony_Yu, Grapesnake, maliceaj, Robert-O,
Rolling_paper, Barlog, Farmer (如果我忘了提起任何人,在此先道歉了)
Everybody has to be aware of the competition. We're not aiming at beating
Thailand or Japan(with no disrespect to both of them), our aim is to defeat
Germany, Spain, Italy, France and so on.
大家都必须意识到这是场竞赛,我们的目标不只是击败泰国或日本(没有任何不尊敬的意
思),我们的目标是战胜德国、西班牙、义大利、法国等大国。
70% or more of the HT world has better youthpulls than we do. It is a fact
caused by our low number of users compared to these huge teams.
70%以上的HT国家的YA基本盘都比我们好,这是因为我们的玩家基数不如他们。
How can we defeat them?
我们要如何击败这些国家?
We need to take really good care of every good player in the youth
academy/old school by providing a proper training plan from 17y old until NT
(over 33y old).
If a good player is being trained with a high stamina share between 17-20 and
also misses some trainings (due to the owner not having medics, missing the
lineup or improper training in the off season) the gap between Taiwan and the
big countries gets larger.
Most of these countries train their players with excellent coach, we know
that it's too much for our resources but we can accomplish nice things with
solid coach and 5% stamina.
我们必须确保每一个从YA/旧系统出来的好球员都得到良好的照顾,这代表从17岁到33岁(
以上)都得到适当的训练。
如果一个好苗在17-20岁之间受到高体能的训练,或着错失部分训练(可能因为经理没有雇
用医生、忘记排阵或是在季间期作了不适当的训练项目),台湾和其他国家的差距会更大
。
大部分国家把好球员送进有优秀教练的球队,我知道以我们的资源很难做到这点,但是利
用完善的计画我们也可以透过稳定教练+5%体能达成不错的成果。
So the reality is in most scenarios you can't be both successful at club
level (you need high stamina) and also train u20 players. It is possible but
the stamina plan has to be perfect. That's why we need reliable trainers -
and by reliable we mean users that understand how the NTs work and know that
it means to have a future u20/NT star.
所以事实上,你很难在达成很高的俱乐部成就(你需要高体能)的同时训练U20球员。这不
是不可能,但是需要完美的体能计画。这也是为什麽我们寻求可靠的训练员-可以理解国
家队计画并知道执行计画可以带来未来的U20/NT明星球员与了解这件事的意义的经理们。
On the other hand, if you want to be successful at club level, you don't
necesarily need 25 local players. It would be nice but not mandatory.
Not to mention the cash you receive at 17,00 selling a future taiwanese star
even if you list him with 0 (you can check the prices).
另一方面,如果你想在俱乐部层面取得成功,你并不需要25个本土球员,这很棒但并不是
必需的。
更别提在17.00把未来的台湾明星上架可以得到的金钱回馈,有时就算0元起标也很可观。
(你可以去U20/NT查转会价格纪录)
The TNP can help any user with some ideas, a solid plan for the future, a
good strategy for getting 1 or more players into the u20/NT but the truth is
training players for the national team means lots of sacrifices.
TNP愿意给所有玩家提供想法、可靠的未来计画、良好的策略以取得一到多位U20/NT球员
,但是训练国家队球员是需要牺牲的。
We can barely fight against top nations with well trained players, if we
focus our NTs on club development, we won't ever qualify for the World Cup
and this has to hurt the local pride, right?
手持这些训练良好的球员我们都只能勉力抵抗顶尖国家,如果我们把精力专注在提升俱乐
部层面的成就,我想光是打进WC正赛都非常困难,这可能不是大家想看到的,对吧?
Most of us (foreign TNP members) have build solid long term plans focused on
our taiwanese trainees which means poor results in the first two seasons (17
to 19y) and then, when stamina will be up, climbing the ladders aiming for
the Dragon League.
我们(TNP大部分的外国成员)都专注於制定台湾球员的长期计画,这代表前两个赛季战绩
惨烈(17-19岁),当体能往上调整就能往上爬升,甚至以DL为目标。
It gives you great joy to see your player, maybe even from your own academy,
in the u20/NT but it's not easy. And i don't think lowering the overall
strenght of Taiwan NTs is the key. We should always look to improve things:
scouting, managing Youth Academies, finding new owners to help, tactics, etc
because this is progress, right?
看见自己的球员(有些可能是自家清训出产的)进入U20/NT当然非常高兴,但是这并不容易
。而且我不认为弱化台湾NT的实力是个好手段。我们应该持续寻找可以加强的地方:球探
、YA管理、寻找适合的买家、战术等等,毕竟(U20/NT的发展)是个持续的过程,对吧?
I'm sure i'm not the only one to say this but any local user with good
intentions is welcome in the TNP, there are a lot of positions to be filled
and we would be more than happy if you could take part of this lovely journey
- helping u20/NT, having a long term plan for your club team and having fun
with some online buddies.
我不确定自己是不是唯一一个这麽说的成员,但是任何对(U20/NT)有心的经理都很欢迎加
入TNP。我们有很多需要工作需要人手来完成,如果有人愿意加入这场旅程-帮助U20/NT的
发展、为你的球队制定长期计画、认识不同的朋友-我们会非常开心。
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1F:推 frankyoda:看起来目标一致,只是方法不一样.. 大家辛苦了 01/09 16:57
2F:推 nihilatus:这篇讲得很好, 我也很认同. 可是TNP里就有tian不是这样. 01/09 18:29
3F:→ nihilatus:另外, 其实TNP这样的组织是必须的. 不管国教如何变, 01/09 18:30
4F:→ nihilatus:台湾的选手培育不该中断. 01/09 18:30
5F:→ nihilatus:身为非TNP且跟外国经理一样愿意牺牲的农场队玩家, 01/09 18:31
6F:→ nihilatus:我只希望 TNP 至少告诉我该连络谁... 01/09 18:32
7F:→ nihilatus:以往只知有TNP, 和他们做的事, 但其实连组织有谁都不知. 01/09 18:36
8F:推 asewd:@nihi TNP的确没有跟上婴儿潮,所以没有预做这类的准备。 01/09 18:59
9F:→ asewd:我想只是过去单纯没有出现类似婴儿潮一堆人加入的状况 01/09 18:59
10F:→ asewd:不过最近这个事件过後,我们也知道黑鹰跟鲔鱼是目前PTT里 01/09 19:00
11F:→ asewd:跟他们关系最好的。若有需要,先联络他们? 01/09 19:00
12F:→ asewd:哈哈,对不起两位,打完才发现我这很像推别人挡子弹 01/09 19:01
13F:→ asewd:但我没那个意思啦,单纯推荐窗口 01/09 19:02
14F:→ windfish:我正在弄这块,缺乏直接联系管道的确是个问题,目前可以 01/09 19:11
15F:→ windfish:在google+联系 :) 01/09 19:11
16F:推 thid5335:鲔鱼辛苦了~ 01/09 19:39
17F:推 ChrisMullin:如果是青年队选手, 最简单的办法, 联络国教或U17球探 01/09 20:06
18F:→ ChrisMullin:U17球探会update所有球员资讯数据 01/09 20:06
19F:→ ChrisMullin:国教是最终安排阵容的人,先联系这两位,比较不会出现 01/09 20:07
20F:→ ChrisMullin:不知道找哪位球探的问题 01/09 20:08
21F:→ ChrisMullin:U17这边整合的资讯, 我自己的做法, 每个球探我都寄 01/09 20:08
22F:→ ChrisMullin:我先不去分是哪个球探的球员, 大家有疑义可以一起讨论 01/09 20:09
23F:→ ChrisMullin:除非球探自己有口袋名单, 或是不需要我帮忙 01/09 20:10
24F:→ ChrisMullin:或是阵容已经很完整, 不然基本上资料我都会尽量蒐集 01/09 20:10
25F:→ ChrisMullin:等到球员升了成年队, 基本就会主要各位置球探接手 01/09 20:11
26F:→ ChrisMullin:更正一下 我先不去分是哪个"位置"的球员 01/09 20:12
27F:→ ChrisMullin:各球探要去追踪自己的球员的训练状况 01/09 20:14
28F:→ ChrisMullin:成年的球员我这边就不会再追踪, 工作量太大了 01/09 20:15
29F:→ ChrisMullin:如果你有感觉不错的球员, 尽管发到官网公开论坛 01/09 20:16
30F:→ ChrisMullin:球探们都会看 01/09 20:16
31F:→ ChrisMullin:有问题也请尽量发问, 有时只po球员, 但有问题没发问 01/09 20:17
32F:→ ChrisMullin:球探们也不知道你遇到状况 01/09 20:17
33F:推 nihilatus:但是, 国家跟U17球探跟TNP的关系是? 感觉这不太稳定长期 01/09 20:45
34F:→ nihilatus:并不是说一定要TNP来主导, 但希望有个独立於任期制国教 01/09 20:46
35F:→ nihilatus:的组织来负责(含潜在的)国手养成. 01/09 20:46
36F:推 bolam:TNP的理想很崇高....过去也做得很好 01/09 21:45
37F:→ bolam:只是现在..为了达成目标..手段非常糟糕且粗躁 01/09 21:45
38F:→ bolam:目前的做为和理想连得上没错..只是我不赞同他们的方法 01/09 21:45