※ 引述《lordlpg (M)》之铭言： : AXL ROSE: Why I Am Continung To Use Name GUNS N' ROSES - Dec. 14, 2008 爱叔叔回答关於为什麽要继续用枪花这个名字 : GUNS N' ROSES singer Axl Rose has made a lengthy posting to the : MyGNRForum.com web site where he answered a number of fan-submitted questions : related to such topics as why he is continuing to use the GUNS name and the : circumstances that led to the breakup of the classic GN'R lineup. His posting : follows below in its entirety. (Note that the questions Axl is responding to : were not included in his original post.) 因为太多人问了所以爱叔叔一并回答关於为什麽继续用枪花这团名 以及老枪为什麽解散 (接下的文章内容都没有附歌迷所提的问题,只有爱叔叔回答的部分) : "OK, then!! The questions aren't here but the answers, as it moves along, I : think point pretty clearly to what was asked in pretty much order or close of : the seven pages. If I didn't answer, it was either already answered, off : topic or I mistakenly overlooked the question. My apologies for the : inconvenience. It's not as light hearted as some of the other sessions but : that's the subject matter. Whew!! 以上废言 (按:好像是问问题的人太多所以爱叔叔边看问题边在同一篇文章里面回, 大家自己看内容想想爱叔叔在回答啥吧,然後有些东西太烦我就不翻了.) : "So let's start here… the whole 'Axl wouldn't go on stage' yada yada… is : complete and utter crap. Never happened, all made up, fallacy and fantasy. : Not one single solitary thread of truth to it. Had that been the case, I : would've have been cremated years ago legally, could've cleaned me out for : the name and damages. It's called under duress with extenuating : circumstances. In fact, the time that was mentioned, the attorneys were all : in Europe with us dealing with Adler [original GUNS N' ROSES drummer Steven : Adler] depositions. 那些什麽"axl不想表演"啥的都是鬼话,如果真是那样的话我早就被烧死了. 事实上那段时间我们都在欧洲跟律师处理跟adler的问题. (按:真的不知道在讲啥) : "Couldn't talk sooner as it could have jeopardized whatever nonsense was : going on. 不想讲得太快免得又有人生一堆话出来 : "When GUNS renegotiated our contract with Geffen, I had the bit about the : name added in as protection for myself as I had come up with the name and : then originally started the band with it. It had more to do with management : than the band, as our then-manager was always tryin' to convince someone they : should fire me. As I had stopped speaking with him, he sensed his days were : numbered and was bending any ear he could along with attempting to sell our : renegotiation out for a personal payday from Geffen. 当时在跟Geffen重谈合约时,我要求把名称的问题放到里面,这是为了保护我自己,毕竟 这个团名是我想出来的,而我从这团组成时就在团里了. 这跟团比较没关系,跟乐团管理方面比较有关 当时我们的经纪人试图说服别人开除我. 但当我不再跟他说话後,那王八蛋知道事情不妙,再活也没多久,於是就试图把我们的合 约卖给其他人并从中拿到好康. : "It was added to the contract and everyone signed off on it. It wasn't hidden : in fine print, etc., as you had to initial the section verifying you had : acknowledged it. 我把这条件加到合约里面,每个人也都签名了. 我并没有把这条件夹带在合约里面偷闯关,当要签署那部分合约前你必须先同意那个条件. : "Now, at that time I didn't know or think about brand names or corporate : value etc. All I knew is that I came in with the name and from day one : everyone had agreed to it being mine should we break up and now it was in : writing. 当时这样做并不是为了商业或是为了我们乐团考量. 就我所知,我把这名字带进这个团,并且从第一天开始大家就同意如果哪天团散了 这名字归我使用,而这点现在白纸黑字写在那里. : "I still didn't grasp any other issues until long after I'd left and formed a : new partnership which was only an effort to salvage GUNS, not steal it. 在我离开後这麽长的时间之间并没有得到什麽好处,我只是重新组了个团试图想要 挽救GNR,并不是要窃取他. : "In my opinion, the reality of the shift and the public embarrassment and : ridicule by others (which included a lot of not-so-on-the-level business : types he was associating with at the time) for not contesting the rights to : the brand name, were more than Slash [former GUNS N' ROSES guitarist] could : openly face. Also, we aren't lawyers or formally business educated, so it was : just a matter of all of us being naïve and doing what we thought was right : at the time. Slash was, in my opinion, being on the up and up in agreeing I : had the rights, and I wasn't trying to be some snake in the grass pulling a : fast one. The others could've cared less. 在我看来,那些嘲笑slash不争团名的事已经超过slash能够面对的. 我们并不是律师,也没有学过怎麽谈生意,所以这一切只是因为我们都太天真 天真地去做我们认为是对的事情. 就我看来,slash那时很诚实地同意我有这权力,而我也不想去攻击那个最显眼的人 其他人则对这事比较不在意. : "But when the reality of the breakup hit and the strategy to have me crawl : back was put into play, Slash had to save face and get business team and : public support. Painting me as the one who held a crowd hostage forcing the : others to sign over the name worked out pretty well in that regard. I'm the : bad guy, and Duff [McKagan, ex-GUNS bassist], the fans and most importantly : himself were the victims. Oh, and they had actually made the sacrifice for : the crowd, the people, the fans at the show. But again…. IT NEVER HAPPENED. 但当解散的真相"爆孔"後,那些试图叫我蛇回去的计谋开始执行了. slash有他的面子要顾,而他也需要商业团队及民众的支持. 放话说是我逼他们签下那些东西的奥步看起来挺成功的. 我变成坏人,而大夫、观众，还有slash则变成受害者.搞得好像他们为了歌迷 跟群众牺牲了.但 那 并 不 是 事 实. : "Media and others ignorantly, wrongly and falsely harped on about it at mine : and the fans' expense for years, and Slash has hoped to use all that to : continually sue and have some sort of legal nonsense going on behind the : scenes in an effort to reverse things. He wouldn't have been able to get the : support and action on the part of his various team members over the years to : do so if the truth were out there especially when the statute of limitations : had run out years ago. 媒体跟其他人用这一些错误的事在我跟歌迷之间挑拨了好几年,而slash想利用这些鸟事 去打官司,并采取一些抬面下的无聊的手段想要挽回一些事情. 如果这些事实早点摊在阳光下,slash也不会在他的团队协助下撑那麽久,特别是状况早就 显示他玩不下去了. : "Why keep the name? I'm literally the last man standing. Not bragging, not : proud. It's been a fucking nightmare but I didn't leave GUNS and I didn't : drive others out. With Slash, it's been nothing more than pure strategy and : saving face while manipulating the public like he used to me. I earned the : right to protect my efforts and to be able to take advantage of our contract : I'd worked hard for where Slash's exact words were that he didn't care. I get : that some like a different version or lineup the same way some like a : specific team line up or a particular year of a specific car but because you : and I are getting played I'm supposed to throw the baby out with the bath : water? 为什麽要保留这个名字?事实上因为我是撑到最後的那个. 这是一场恶梦,但我并没有放弃GNR，也没有把谁赶走. 在slash这边,他不过是单纯的想要(像以前对我那样)操弄群众来保住自己的面子. 在这之中,我学到了我有权力保护我的努力成果,并学会利用合约. 我努力找出了合约中slash说他并不介意的文字. 我了解这就像是不同的说法、不同的排列,就好比像是不同的团队排列或是特别年份 的某辆车子 但就因为你跟我都被耍了所以我就要连洗澡水一起把小孩倒掉吗? (按:我还是无法体会外国人的比喻逻辑orz) : "I didn't make a solo record. A solo record would be completely different : than this and probably much more instrumental. I made a GUNS record with the : right people who were the only people who really wanted to help me try, were : qualified and capable while enduring the public abuse for years . The songs : were chosen by everyone involved. I didn't want to do 'This I Love' in any : way shape or form, and Robin [Finck, current GUNS guitarist] and Caram : [Costanzo; co-producer] insisted gaining Tommy's [Stinson, bass] and the : others' support. There's been a lot of pressure to go with using my name (all : external) but that never felt right to me for this band and the parameters in : regard to this music have lots more to do with the mindset of GUNS than : something else. The instrumental I wrote for 'End of Days' that's more a solo : effort, at least presently. 这并不是一张个人人专辑.如果是的话那应该会很不一样,例如可能会有更多的演奏部分 (按:我不太确定instrumental是啥) 我跟一群对的人做了一张GNR专辑,他们有意愿也有能力,并且也忍受了这些年来民众的 责难. 这些歌是每个有参与的人挑的. 我并没有特别想要把This I love做成什麽样子,但Robin坚持要有Tommy跟其他人的协助. 挂我的名字有着很大的压力,但我觉得这样并不正确,因为我是抱着GNR这个乐团的心态 在做音乐. 比较起来写给"end of days"的歌还比较像是个人作品,只少看起来比较像. : "As far as a new name… this is who I am, not whatever else someone else : thinks of. I don't see myself as solely GUNS, but I do see myself as the only : one from the past making the effort to take it forward, whether anyone : approves or not, and giving beyond what many would or fight for to do so. The : name helped the music more than you could ever know, and I'm not talking in : regards to studios or budgets, I mean it as in being pushed by something and : having to get the music to a place where I can find my peace regardless of : what anyone says. And that wasn't fully achieved until the last round of : mastering and swapping out a version of a track at the pressing plant that : had gotten inadvertently changed at the last minute. Also, the name was what : the industry wanted as well and the burden of keeping it was something to : endure in order to make the record. After the monies invested by old Geffen : (that were decisions made that have worked out for me but I'm on record as : having opposed) dropping the name became suicide. 至於帮团取个新名字....我想我就是我,我并不是别人所想出来的. 我并不会认为我是这个团的唯一主角,但我视我自己为过去那些人之中唯一一个 到现在还在为团努力奋斗的人. GNR这团名对於音乐的帮助比你们所了解的还要大许多,而我并不是为了录音室 或是钱而坚持这点. 我并不管别人怎麽说,我只坚持在被催促之下将我的作品做到我觉得ok的地步.这一直要 到东西出版才算真正的完成. 这个名字也是商业上需要的,并且我们也必背负着他来做这张唱片. 在Geffen砸了这麽多钱在这个团名上之後,把这个名字丢掉是一种自杀的举动. (当时的一些决定已经生效而我已经开始做这张唱片,并受到一些阻碍) : "The cost of legal battles has been astronomical but I felt the deal made : with Universal was fair for where it is and most things balanced out for both : sides. 在法律上的争论太过麻烦了,并且我觉得跟环球的合约相较起来是比较合理的. : "David Bowie likes Floyd with Barret, many with Waters and those without. And : there are those who like all the different lineups. In my opinion, what makes : our situation a bit more unique, at least in how it's played out, is the : ugliness of what really took place. If I'd done what was said then, I'd say : fuck me too. I also realize this is just one issue in something with upteen : however many more so conclusions can't be formulated off this little bit : alone by most which is more than understandable. David Bowie喜欢有Barret的pink floyd,有没有Water的他都有喜欢的部分. 有些人则不同的组合都喜欢. 在我看来,让我们的情形变得特殊的是那些发生的丑事. 如果我当时真的作了他们说的那些事,那我会说我真他妈的该死. "我也体会这是在事的一个一个问题许多多数的howerver，因此结论不可能被 公式化这tittle单独咬住与由更比可理解是的多数。" (按:上面这几句是用奇摩翻译翻出来的.) 我也了解这不过是一个由许多琐事堆积起来的问题,因此在这问题上 很难有清楚的结论,虽然其中很多事情是很容易理解的. : "That said, because someone leaves the shop I started in which I still : legally have the rights to the name I started it with… makes up a bunch of : nonsense to win public and legal support in an effort to get whatever it is : they want at mine and the public's expense… I don't feel any reason : whatsoever I should have to throw what I've not only worked for but fought : and suffered for away because some hurt, angry, betrayed, misguided and lied : to people with a lynch-mob mentality, joined by others who could care less : (especially in the media), enjoying the controversy and hate, choose one over : the other regardless of what's right because they want what they want. And : you can still prefer then as opposed to now and no one's arguing your right : to do so. 也就是说,只因为有人离开了我开的店,而这家店的店名在法律上还属於我 所以他(们)就在媒体上搞一堆屁事,然後用法律手段想要从我这拿走他们想要的. 我想不到任何理由说服我放弃我过去努力得来的心血.只因为这些伤害、愤怒、背叛、 以及那些被误导,想要像烧女巫一样烧死我的暴民,还有那些其实并不是真的关心(特别是 那些媒体)、拿这些背叛跟仇恨寻开心,以及想要从中得利所以选边站的人吗? 你当然还是可以像当时那样继续这麽做,没有人会去质疑你的. : "In regard to nuGUNS, I get that sometimes it helps to be able to clarify. : Personally I call this GUNS and the 'Illusions' or previous lineups 'old : GUNS.' 我个人称这个组合跟"illusions"还有更之前的组合为"老枪" : "We can play what we want, as far as I'm aware. 我可以表演任何我们想要表演的,只要我还活着 : "It wasn't so much that it was a good course or that, if looking back, I : could do something differently; it's that, for better or worse, it was the : only course, and had I not done this, Slash would have succeeded in : destroying me publicly much more than he, others or myself have so far and I : would have gone bankrupt. 回过头来看,这并不是一个好的变化,我也没有其他选择. 也就是说,事情不得不演变成现在这样.如果我没有这麽做的话,slash会让我死得 比现在还要惨,我也可能因此破产. : "I don't know where I'd be, but there's clearly no happy ending there and : with everything else that had gone on in every other area of my life the : devastation isn't something I feel I would have overcome at least to any real : degree publicly. Hopefully I would've been able to pick myself up enough to : get a job or sing somewhere else but I doubt anything that significant. 我不知道那样的话我现在会变成怎样.但可以知道的是结局并不会是好的. 而跟我生命中其他消失的东西比起来这些糟蹋我的事并不算什麽. 我想我已经可以算撑过来了 (如果是那样的话)希望我已经能够准备好开始工作或唱歌,但我怀疑那样对我有什麽 意义 : "The sharing thing is interesting, but even with all this time, the : complications of the red tape and trying to get something out fall on my : world to sort and not theirs. They are amazingly supportive and do their best : to keep me in up spirits and focused which I had less and less of in GUNS way : before 'Sweet Child' caught on. If that were to change, then that may be : something to look at. I hope for us to grow more together as we continue so : who knows. 跟别人分享是件很有趣的事,但即使过了这麽久了,要整理出我的想法还是很困难. 在"sweet child" hido前,他们全力支持我,并让我保持正面及专注的态度. 没有这些支持的话,那麽事情可能会变得不一样 我希望如果我们继续下去的话,我们能够一起成长.但谁晓得呢？ : "If I hadn't secured the rights, I don't know where I'd be and I'd probably : call what would then be the current lineup 'THOSE MOTHER FUCKERS!!' 如果我不保护我的权利,我不知道我现在会变成什麽样 或许我会把我现在这个团取名叫"那些干娘的的王八蛋" : "The name is something I take great pride in as I feel anyone who's been a : part of it should, the same as other bands or teams etc. The burden when it : is such is a nightmare but not as much or as hopeless as I'd imagine without : it could have been. 我对这团名感到骄傲,我想其他的团员应该也是,其他的团应该也是这麽想. 这名字或许是个负担,就现在来看甚至可称得上是恶梦,但相较起来,失去它还是比较 叫人绝望. : "On the what's the difference… I think I get what you're asking… I feel it : depends on how and in what ways either the former members are using the : association and what the true circumstances regarding why they moved on from : both the band and the name that would or could affect the decision to : continue on with the name by in this case this lineup and or myself. 至於可能会有什麽不一样....我想这取决於旧团员们如何运用彼此之间的联系 及现实的环境,包括他们为什麽愿意继续留在团里. : "As for selling more records, it'd be nice to be in a position to possibly do : so at some point but that's never been my base reasoning. I would think it : fits into not feeling I shouldn't be forced to throw away possible : opportunities in a hostile attempted takeover. I believe I should fight for : GUNS in a patriotic sense or sense of loyalty or honor. Not just my vision or : direction for GUNS as those things can evolve and you can make forward moving : positive compromises by what others bring to the table but I mean more as in : what principles I feel were important to GUNS in regard to an overall : commitment to the music. 如果能多卖一点唱片,在某些方面来讲当然是好事,但那都不会是我的动机. 我想如果我没有感到我是在恶意接收下被迫放弃机会的情形下,这样做也可以. 我相信我应该基於对於团的忠贞跟爱护来扞卫他. 这之间不只是我对於这个团将来的看法或决定,毕竟事情是会变化的 你也可经由与其他人的妥协来促使这个团继续向前. 但我觉得重要的是对於枪团的音乐而言有些原则我认为是不可妥协的. : "It helped us get here but most of that was with Universal and the positives : of that wore off years ago until recently and after the initial run it'll be : about the music and us. Then it's about touring and there's not a question : the name's helped at most everywhere but not so much the states. With that it : comes down to the strength or quality of the performance. Having the name : kicks your ass every night as it's not some side project or something u can : fuck off in. You don't deliver u get your ass handed to you. So it makes us : work much harder than I feel we would outside of it and it hasn't been too : ugly yet. 这团名给我们撑到现在的力量,但多数的协助还是来自於环球唱片. 不过多数正面的协助在多年前就已经消耗得差不多了,直到最近开始重新 做唱片之後才又得到帮助. 在巡回演出上,这个名字在美国以外的地方对我们的帮助不小. 背着这名字我们的演出必须更有力道跟水准. 这名字迫使你不得不认真点.而我觉得我们做得还不算太糟. : "I didn't see lineup changes, etc., back then — I saw it more as a crash and : burn, goin' down with the ship. On one hand, I knew the band was over before : we started touring 'Illusions' but you have hope… but I saw it more like the : Titanic sinking than moving on or surviving. And in reality, I went the : distance with each and every one in GUNS to where they felt for whatever : reasons they either couldn't or wouldn't give what GUNS required. And I'm not : talking change of styles or sounds etc. A lot of people bought that crap and : me having gone in other directions seems to many to have verified that. Then : you have the mind twisting equally as true horseshit in Slash's book, but I : have the rehearsal tapes. There's nothing but Slash-based blues rock and he : stopped it to both go solo and try to completely take over GUNS. I read all : this 'if Axl would've put words and melodies on it could've…' That was : denied and I didn't walk 'till several months after having 3-to-4-hour phone : conversations nearly every day with Slash trying to reach a compromise. I was : specifically told no lyrics, no melodies, no changes to anything and to sing : what I was told or fuck off. 那时并不觉得团会改组,感觉比较像是这艘船要沈了. 一方面,在Illusion的巡回开始前,我就知道我们团完了,但是心里还有觉得有转圜 的余地,但我觉得像铁达尼一样沈掉的机率大於存活下来. 後来我跟每个团员越走越远,而他们也说不出来为什麽. 许多人都听信了他们说的那堆鬼话,而我却走向了难以辩解的方向. 你看了slash的书中那些鬼话後,你的看法就跟他的说法一样被扭曲了,但我这边却一直 清楚事情的真相是什麽. slash後来走向了他的blues rock,他单飞了,并且想要整碗捧去把枪团拿走. 我读到了那段"如果Axl肯把词跟曲填上去的话..."的话,但那并不是事实. 刚开始时我每天都跟slash电爱三四个小时想要让彼此说出"不要停",一直到 那之後的几个月我才离开他们. 我被特别告知没有歌词、没有旋律、每件事都没有转圜的余地,而且他们要我唱他们 要我唱的歌. : "As to what would possibly make me change the name, [it] would be some form : of evolving that I don't feel we've reached yet and not in any way : consciously trying to at this time. It's really hard to say. I'd have to feel : it was right for me and those involved and whatever we're doing at that time. 说到我有没有可能改用其他名字,我想如果团演变到某个程度的话可能吧,但我目前没有 那种感觉.不过事情总是很难说.但前提是我跟团里的每个人都觉得ok了才会改名. : "Never thought about that, with the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. The whole : 'mature enough' bit was cute. Not to offend anyone, but personally I don't : have an interest and other than inducting Elton don't quite get what it is : exactly and who decides what. It seems to mean more to some than others and : more so amongst fans. It's nice to get recognition and have some form of : acceptance, but in regards to joining others, the price is too high and just : not worth it. It's a ways away and seems a bit presumptuous to be : contemplating being inducted now. 从来没有这样想过. 所谓的"够成熟"的说法很可爱. 这麽说并没有要冒犯别人的意思,但我个人对於把elton(按:英国那个老屁眼?) 吸收进来的事并没有兴趣.有这种说法的人不知道是哪听来的. 这是对歌迷来说可能比较有兴趣一点. 被别人认同或接受是一件好事,但关於参加别人的团这件事,要付出的太价似乎太高 也不太值得. 现在谈跑去尬其他团好像太早也有点没礼貌. : "About following particular styles, yes I do feel there are parameters with : GUNS as opposed to not being or in GUNS. 'Chinese Democracy' is, in my : opinion, an evolution not necessarily how each from the past would but how : the music and intent could and did. GUNS did not have specific lifelong : criteria to follow and many of the influences on 'Appetite' were abandoned by : the others long before me. In fact, Slash hated a good portion of those on : 'Appetite' and wasn't all that into the involvement or association but knew : it worked at the time and realized it was the cusp of a wave that was : growing. It's a trip for me to witness as so many of the people he performs : with etc he hated then, them, their bands and their music where the others or : I were the fans. 至於将来的曲风,我确实是感到一些瓶颈,不管是不是待在枪团里都是. 在我看来,"中国民主"确实是个演变,但这演变指的是音乐及企图而非关於团的每一件事. 枪团并没有什麽不变的准则要遵守,而"毁灭慾"的许多影响在我之前就被其他团员抛弃了. 事实上slash对於"毁灭慾"的很大部分都感到反感,并且并不想被认为跟这张唱片有多大 的关连,即使他知道这些东西在当时确实是很受欢迎并且开创了一些风潮. 当时我目击了他跟许多他讨厌的人或团一起演出,这些团可能你跟我其实都还满喜欢的. : "I like touring with these guys a lot more than the old band. The beginning : was fun but it started going bad our first gig opening for THE CULT in : Halifax between Slash and I. That's when the 'OK I put up with all Axl's and : Izzy's crap, now I'm gonna be the man' trip started with him runnin' right : out front on the ego ramp for the whole show. It was pretty funny. 比较起来我比较喜欢跟新团巡回的感觉. 刚开始巡回的时候是还不错,但在Halifax帮the cult开场的表演之後我跟slash的 关系就慢慢变糟了. 从那时候开始巡回就变成了"ok,我受够了跟axl和Izzy写的那堆垃圾一起打混,我要 挂头牌"的巡回,整场他都跑在舞台的前端好像希望观众都能闻到他的跨下一样.这真 的很有趣. : "No one ever talked about or suggested using another name. The guys are : really respectful in regard to the old band and I'm not sure if they've said : a paragraph apiece in all the years towards or about the old band whether I'm : talking about whatever or not. But from being with me for so long they know a : lot of it's shit so they get bummed at the endless interviews and nonsense. : Personally, I'm so proud of them I wouldn't know how to express it. I can't : see me handing something like this as they have with so much class and : maturity especially being shit on publicly to such a degree. 'Hey join my : band, bring an umbrella!!' 没有人提过要换个团名. 这些家伙都很尊重旧枪,我也不清楚他们这些年来是不是说过什麽关於旧枪的事情. 不过跟我一起混了这麽多年,他们总是听过我抱怨旧团的一些事,所以总是有人缠着 他们要他们说些什麽. 我个人对他们感到骄傲. 我觉得如果没有他们成熟及有风度的表现,特别是在媒体上被这样婊过,我没有办法 做到今天这些事情."嘿,来我的团吧,不过记得带把伞来" : "If I were to leave GUNS, I could consider giving, selling, shelving or : opening a GNR Burger chain with the name!! Ha!! Just kidding. I'm not so : different than the alumni in that there's generally something going on that : makes things suck and when that reaches overflow I want out too but if you : didn't when it's ugly I think that'd be less normal. 如果我离开枪团的话,我猜我会把这个团名送人、卖掉、放着不管,或是乾脆来开一家 "枪与玫瑰汉堡连锁店"!(哈哈,开玩笑的!) 我想我跟之前的前辈们并不会有什麽太大的不同. 通常总是有些糟糕的事情在发生,而当事情太超过的时候我也是会想要落跑的.如果你不 是这样想的话那反而是比较奇怪的. : "If I went solo — which I haven't — I wouldn't call it GUNS. 如果我单飞了-虽然我并不会-我不会用枪与玫瑰的名字 : "The name does come from mine and Tracii's [Guns, current L.A. GUNS : guitarist] as the original inspiration but was something I played with, not : Tracii, and GUNS was GUNS before Tracii joined. It was GUNS before I knocked : on Izzy's window. Earlier I had gotten Tracii to use the name GUNS (as he had : mentioned a girl had called him Mr. Guns sometime) so he'd stop calling his : band PERSIAN ROSE. So I guess we have the girl to thank. 这名字并不是从我跟tracii各取一个来的,在tracci加入前枪团就是枪团了. 枪团在我找Izzy前就已经存在. 更早一点我找Tracii一起用这名字(那时他提到有个女生叫他Mr. Guns)所以他就不 再叫他的团"PERSIAN ROSE".所以我猜我们要谢谢哪个女孩. : "The others having a sense of entitlement to the name isn't completely off : but has more to do with how Slash dealt with things and his particular : strategy and I say strategy because that's what it's been. But since I : managed to hold out that didn't play out so well for him in regard to the : name. 其他觉得自己应该从这名字得到点什麽的人并没有消失,但这跟slash处理这问题 的方法有关.我觉得这让事情变成现在这个样子. 不过既然我打算坚持下去,所以在这个名字的问题上slash还没有要停手的样子. : "It's a band name more than a brand name. As Tommy said regarding our : struggles to make this happen, 'We're not lettin' what took so much blood and : heart get turned to shit and dust.' And I guess you could apply that to : current former or whatever. 这个名字单纯是个团名的成分比较多,而非一个品牌的名称. 就像Tommy说的 "我们不为让这些心血结晶化为狗屎" 我想这句话也适用於以前跟现在. : "Slash never had ANY arguments for keeping the name until long after and : again I feel that had a lot to do with seedy biz types and him feeling he had : to save face. 当时Slash并没有坚持说他要用这个名字,直到很久之後,我猜因为一些可耻的商业考量 他觉得必须要做点事来保住他的面子. : "Keeping the band name alive was very important. Not out of ego and I don't : know exactly why in the sense of putting into words, but I think it has : something to do with the global effect it has and how GUNS surviving in some : way is sometimes inspiring to others around the world and in that there's a : sense of obligation. 让这团名继续活着是很重要的. 并非出於自尊,但是(我并不知道怎麽表达这个感觉)我觉得这会有世界性的影响. 枪团如何走过这一切重新出发的事可以激励其他的团,毕竟这代表的是一种责任感. : "I don't regret keeping the name though I wish more were supportive or at : least not as aggressively opposed. 我并不後悔保留这麽团名,虽然我希望得到更多的支持,或至少不要那麽强烈的反对. : "The details are that my attorney shit when I made the move. He was very : against it fearing long litigation but even then no one talked about brand : names or individual interests in a brand name. I look back and have no idea : why. Not my people, not his people, no one. No one pressured me, everyone was : afraid and no one including myself wanted to break up GUNS or the : relationship. 细节就是当我采取行动时,我找到的律师脑子里装的却是大便. 他很怕诉讼会拖得太久,但当时并没有人提到品牌或是品牌下的商业利益的问题. 现在回头去想我也搞不懂. 没有人强迫我.大家也都很害怕、都不想团或是彼此的关系散掉. : "The battles were during the breakup. Our people and my individual legal : basically forced me to go through the motions with everything I had to make : things work for over two years in the sense that if they felt I wasn't making : every effort 110% and with all the sincerity and all above board I wouldn't : have their support which I wanted, couldn't afford to lose or risk losing. : Which led to the trial period where Slash played the key bits of 'Fall to : Pieces' but once I showed some interest that was over. 争论发生在团散掉的那时候. 我们的人以及我自己强迫我从这情绪中走出来. 在那两年之中,我觉得如果我没有让他们觉得我是全心全意并且110%地努力在做的话, 我就得不到任何我需要的支持,并且我也不能失败或是承担失败的风险. 这导致後来在实验时期,当Slash主导"Fall to pieces"时,我一说我也有兴趣时 事情就结束了. : "As far as people knowing me, this is a statement that in light of others : decisions that I chose to pursue as GUNS N' ROSES and what some may feel is a : different this or that may seem as if the arguments or disagreements are : about the band or the style of music such as blues or influences on earlier : GUNS has some relevance but, in my opinion, points more to deeper base : elements I wanted to put forth for people in general. Such as a more positive : intent and instead of as self-destructive, more of healing. There's all kinds : of things to help you die or be more negative. I wanted to try and make as : powerful a hard rock album as we could while incorporating beauty and an : openness to other forms both traditional and more recent without going : religious etc. I didn't attempt to make a party record or dance record, both : elements consciously in 'Appetite'. I wasn't trying to purposefully appeal to : the heartland or middle America in those ways (not that I was trying to avoid : them or have an issue). But for example, 'Sweet Child' wasn't in any way : trying to write a 'hit' mainstream song it was trying to write the best GUNS : N' ROSES LYNYRD SKYNYRD-influenced song we could as tribute and recognition : in the tradition of 'Tuesdays Gone With the Wind' or 'Simple Man', etc,, and : at a time when nothing could have seemed more unpopular. 从人们知道我开始,我就决定重点在於我想要给民众什麽样的东西,而不是 大家看到的,好像我们的争论在於这个团或是音乐的元素之类的.例如正多正面的 企图及抚慰,而不是自我毁灭.有各式各样的东西教你去死或是活得消极. 我试着去做出一张强而有力,但是融合了美丽的事物以及各种传统或现代元素的硬式 摇滚专辑.我并没有要试图要做出一张派对专辑或是舞曲专辑,这些元素在"毁灭慾" 中都有.我这麽做并不是要讨好美国的主流听众(我也没有要去闪开他们). 但是譬如"甜小孩"并不是为了成为主流欢迎的歌曲而写的,这首歌是为了成为最好的 "枪与玫瑰受LYNYRD SKYNYRD影响"的歌而写的,而我们可以把他当作是向"Tuesdays Gone With the Wind"或"Simple Man"致敬的歌曲. : "One man forced me to work with others. One man forced me to work with others : to survive. And I can't say what would have happened on different terms. I : say yes because it was agreed from day one. You have to realize we were on : the street. It wasn't the first band. Whoever thought of the name kept the : name unless he gave it up or moved on. Everyone was always having a new : version of whatever their band name was. I wouldn't have thought of using : L.A. GUNS or any of Slash's band names. We all knew that we could break up : the next week. You had to have that stuff somewhat sorted between each other : going in. It was a deal that we made. The issue becomes the value or : perceived value now and the fans attachment and or acceptance. Really weren't : things we consciously considered even during the breakup. 一个叫我去跟其他团,一个叫我跟其他人合作好让这团活下来.所以我没有办法告诉你 在各方面到底出了哪些事情. 我说"yes"是因为从第一天开始大家就同意这件事了. 你必须了解我们处在一个险恶的环境.我们并不是第一个遇到这个问题的团. 第一个想到这个团名的人就拥有他,除非他放弃或是跑到其他地方去了. 就像我不会想要去用L.A Guns或是其他slash的团的名称一样. 我们都晓得随时都有谁可能要离团.你必须在那之前先把丑话说清楚.而我们当时 都是同意我有权保留这个名字. 这个问题後来变成了价值、歌迷的向心力或接受度的问题.这是我们离团时始料未及的. : "I don't exactly know what GUNS N' ROSES is, but I know it's my job in the : sense of an obligation and I'm good with that. 我并不清楚"枪与玫瑰"究竟是什麽,但我知道这是我的责任,而且我做得还不错 : "The name and rights have nothing to do with the breakup. That's all a : created façade a decoy and a smoke screen. Now had what Slash said actually : transpired then I'd say of course but in reality, no. 名称跟权利和团散掉无关,这些说法只是烟雾弹. 那些slash说有发生过的事实际上并没有发生. : "Going into GUNS, there wasn't a #2. At that time I was going to make it in a : band that started as GUNS N' ROSES and could evolve but that was the starting : point and it was all the way or bust. I knew what I wanted when I knocked on : Izzy's window. I also knew I wanted Slash but we still had differences and : Izzy wasn't down with it. 团中并没有老二的问题 在我开始组"枪与玫瑰时"的时候,我想要的就是一个团.但,当然,这个团会有演变. 在我晚上去敲Izzy的门时,我知道我并不是想要跟他干一炮而是想要他的音乐. 当我去找slash时也是,虽然当时我们有一些歧见. Izzy并没有因为我多找了slash就以为我想要3p而心情不好. : "Most critics have higher opinions of theirs than is merited. I haven't read : much from outside sources in the media regarding my world that know much of : anything let alone what would be in my best interest other than looking at : events in hindsight and playing armchair music mogul. Which most times means : nothing and though could seem logical is usually just as far off base as : anything else they've said. 大多数的批评都超过他们所能评论的. 我并没有去看太多这些鬼话,毕竟我自己才是最知道这些事情的人. 而这样做对我而言最好,不用去管什麽幕後的阴谋论或是扮演一个虚伪的音乐强人. 他们说的那些鬼话通常没什麽意义,虽然有时候听起来有点逻辑,但都离事实太远. : "The heart and commitment these guys play the material with is much more than : the others were prepared to give pursuing their own interests for a very long : time. The music changed after Slash and I parted so the direction was where I : took GUNS not where I had intended or tried to go previously. It had a lot to : do with not finding or knowing a more blues based player that I found : inspiring and I was really knocked down and beat up. Slash, Duff and Matt's : [Sorum] decisions had as much to do with kicking a guy when he's down or : abandoning ship at the time as anything else. Other things were going on with : music as well, we were basically dead at Geffen. I liked other things as well : so I wanted to explore, be legitimate and survive. I wasn't doing what was : written so often about chasing fads etc. Jesus, I wouldn't have agreed for : Zakk [Wylde] to come down if any of Slash's or the media's nonsense were : real. And that could've worked on some level but like GUNS it would've been : up to those two and their relationship. They talk nice but it wasn't pretty… : but it was pretty awesome!! 这些家伙演奏这些东西时所付出的诚意比其他那些还要继续追求自己的目标的人 所能付出的还要多. 因为音乐在我跟slash拆夥後已经有了变化,所以枪团的方向是我後来决定的而 非当时的想法. 後来的事情跟我找不到或不认得更有蓝调基础且具启发性的乐手有关,我真的被这件事 给打败了. slash、大夫、马特当时的决定(按:离团?)就好像在一个跳船的人脸上踢一脚一样. 其他的事情也同时在发生,我们在Geffen里基本上已经黑掉了. 我喜欢不同的事物,在当时我只想要去开发不同的东西,在法律上能站得住脚,并且 存活下来. 我并没有做那些鸡巴人常说的事,像是一窝风的吹求风尚之类的,如果slash跟媒体讲的是 真的那我又何必找zakk一起合作. 其实Zakk跟slash合作的是可能可行,但就跟其他枪团的事一样,这还得视他们两个人的 相处状况而定. 他们两个其实还算聊得满来的,但是事情并不顺利.不过他们俩的合作还是很屌! : "No plans not to be GUNS for the future. 没有打算离开"枪与玫瑰" : "Solo efforts… Much more experimental and instrumental. 个人专辑的话...会更具实验性以及更多的乐器部分. : "It doesn't bother me unless it's being done at my expense and or to keep him : associated as in Guitar Hero. Him being [in] Guitar Hero's fine but not when : Activison is using 'Jungle', having Yahoo! use 'Sweet Child' unauthorized, : claims no involvement with Slash, his or anyone's image or VR or anyone or : anyone's music in either camp in promotion or commercials etc. I wasn't : broadsided. I read about it as it moved along but Activision continually : denied it right up to the release. That's some low life chicanery on all : their parts. 对我而言我并不在意这一些事情,除非他拿我来消费或是用来让他能够留在"吉他英雄"里. 他要参与"吉他英雄"是没关系,但Activison跟Yahoo!在没有被授权下使用"jungle"跟 "sweet child",宣称没有使用到slash或VR或双边的肖像权及音乐来宣传时,我也没有 做出太大的抨击. 那些Activision否认即将发行的事我都是看报纸才知道的. 但那不过是他们没品的狡辩方式而已. : "Yes, Slash was in GUNS and on 'Jungle' (and the whole 'I came to him for his : riff' is as much crap as him saying he brought 'Locomotive' and 'Coma' in as : complete songs) and he has rights to perform it but not to be represented in : this context in association with GUNS. And since they weren't granted the : license it'll take some sorting. 是,slash 那时是枪的成员,并且也参与了"jungle",他有权力表演这首歌,但是不可以 用GNR的名义表演. (至於那些"我帮他弄出了他的riff"以及"locomotive"跟"coma"整首都是他写的 之类的屁话则是鬼扯蛋). 而既然他们没有被允许,那合法性就有带厘清. : "Universal has GUNS under contract but I own the name. 环球唱片在合约上拥有枪与玫瑰,但是团名还是归我. : "I don't have problems with whoever doing the songs but film or video gets : into sync rights and I don't have an interest in anyone new, old or whatever : trying to sell themselves as GNR under another name that way. 我跟谁一起表演这些歌都ok, 但是电影或是威低喔的话可能会牵扯到其他的权利问题, 至於如果有人想要用其他名字但是骨子里卖弄他们是GNR成员的事我没有兴趣. : "It's my understanding the lawyers were scammed like the everyone else so for : them to continually try and find a way to reverse things is normal and would : seem appropriate but again it NEVER happened. 就我了解,那些律师都被耍了,不然他们不会企图找到方法来扭转这些事,而我要再说一次 -那 都 不 是 真 的. : "Thanks everyone. Hope to get back soon. I'll take a look at that list. As : long as we don't get to personal or offensive, I'm good with things. Thanks : for all the questions, my apologies for not answering specifically to each, : this was just a bit easier for this subject. Hope no one took wanting to stay : on topic to personal. Thanks again to everyone who participated. Thanks to : everyone for the great comments and appreciation." 谢谢大家 : http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.Net/news.aspx?mode=Article&news : itemID=110830 : http://0rz.tw/f25bJ --

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