※ 引述《cocoastar (可乐)》之铭言： : ※ 引述《aromagreen (LoriTa)》之铭言： : : 我想.不应该全盘否定这位日裔的观点(view) : : 当初我买他出的第一本书时,着实受到了很大的震憾 : : 他用很简单的故事/概念/对话让原本很生硬的理财/经济/知识 : : 活泼了起来 : : 所以,清崎先生"有钱"了是因为他靠了这本书的热卖而源源不断的版税 : : 他是聪明的/至於直销管它是什麽 : : 受用的智慧是无价的,只是有人实践,有人并没有 : : 不能因为你没有实践就说这本书是在唬人 : : ꘊ: 罗伯特没有否定高等教育拉　拜托　　你有看完这本书吗 : 他很清楚的说了：富爸爸鼓励我读完大学 : 他本人认为大学教育很重要. 而且自己也完成了学业 删掉C兄後面的部份，是因为这一段可归纳为： 培养投资的能力，当作第二赚钱的管道，以便在不能工作时还有收入。 在F大还没翻译出来整篇文章前，小弟先现个丑^^|| 首先，这篇分析的人没有说这本书是错的，这点请各位掌握到： I would say that Rich Dad covers an overly broad array of financial subjects— real estate investment, stock market investment, note investment, and going into business for yourself. No one could adequately cover all those areas in such a short book. On the other hand, Rich Dad has a lot of specifics—as you will see below in this analysis. The problem is not that he is short on specifics, it is that the book is a bunch of bull, including when he gets specific. To say that the only fault of the book is that it lacks specifics is ridiculous. The book commits far more sins than that. 他指出富爸爸囊阔了很广大的经济上的主题(一堆专有名词)，没有人可以适当的把这些 领域囊阔在一本小小的书里面(富爸爸也有说明，如果你有去看这篇分析的话^^)。 问题不是这本书太小，而是他说的都是废话(bunch of bull)，就连他的说明也是废话。 他的书只是缺乏说明的说法是可笑的，这本书的问题不只如此而已(我讲的比他委婉)。 How much money does Kiyosaki have? 此作者真的有钱吗？有人说他靠写书赚了很多钱，但是实际上呢？ 分析者说了几个例子，都是说自己很有钱，但是又不给别人知道他到底有多有钱，在简 单的调查後，都发现根本没这回事。 I suspect the real reason Kiyosaki refuses to disclose any evidence of his purported wealth is either 我怀疑Kiyosaki拒绝揭露任何他所指出的财产的证据为下： ‧ It is much smaller than his followers imagine 他的财富不如他的追随者所想的那麽多 ‧ He did not get it the way he implies—for example, his wealth may come almost entirely from telling people how to get wealthy and he may not have been wealthy himself until he told people how to get wealthy 他不是由他所暗示的方式得到他的财富的—举例来说，他是藉由告诉大家如何有钱才 得到他的财富的(也就是写书赚钱) ‧ He achieved wealth in an unethical or illegal way 他是藉由不道德手段或是非得方式去赚钱的。 ‧ All of the above 以上皆是。 後面分析者列了一个表对照，把作者的话和实际的样子做比较。 或许有人认为调查别人的隐私很无聊，不过既然作者自己说自己很有钱，那我们想要看 看他到底有多有钱不为过吧？ 结论是，他真的靠卖书赚了很多钱吗？ If the advice of “Rich Dad” back in 1955 was so great, how come Kiyosaki was homeless and bankrupt 30 years later? What kind of financial genius does it take to be homeless and bankrupt when you are a college graduate who had no student loans and were trained as a helicopter pilot by the military. (Actually, I got his military records. They show no flight school and no pilot ’s wings. See below.) With all those advantages, and “Rich Dad’s” brilliant financial advice, the guy still ends up homeless at age 38? And if “Rich Dad’s” advice wasn’t good enough to keep Kiyosaki from becoming homeless in 1985, how did it suddenly become something the rest of us should be following in 1997? 如果书里讲的这麽好，为何作者会直到三十年後还是无家又破产？什麽样的经济天才会 让自己没房子又破产？当你是一个没有学生贷款的负债的大学生又是军方直升机的驾驶 员(驾驶员的事也是假的，军方没有纪录，请看原文的括号)。有这些优势，而且又有富 爸爸的建议，还不够让作者在1985年买栋房子吗？ I suspect Kiyosaki has done well from his books with the help of Oprah and Amway et al. A reader who refused to let me use his name said he attended an Amway meeting where Kiyosaki spoke and that Kiyosaki said his book was unknown until an Amway “Diamond Distributor” started buying it in quantity. He further staid that Kiyosaki urged the audience to focus on their Amway distribution business, not on buying duplexes and such. If anyone who will let me quote them can confirm this, I would like to hear from them. 这段说明作者曾经在直销会上说过直到直销公司(Diamond Distributor)大量的买了他的 书後才有名气。不过这一段类似於密告，仍缺乏证据。 重点大概是第一句，作者的得益大概是来自於欧普拉秀和直销公司。 Clever life plan? Kiyosaki would have us believe that he followed a coherent life plan laid out with the help of “rich dad.” 作者说他的协调一致的生活是来自於富爸爸的帮助。 作者说他要去U.S. Merchant Marine Academy去学国际贸易(international business)， 但是这间学校是教船只操作(是这样翻吗？)(operate oceangoing ships)。要学做生意应 该是去学校吧，这是分析者的怀疑(节省空间直接写大意)。 Upon reading that Kiyosaki went to the Merchant Marine Academy, I figured his real reason was probably the same as many other Merchant Marine Academy graduates—he applied to a major service academy and got rejected. After all, the major service academies are more prestigious and students pay no tuition and actually receive a salary to attend. You have to pay for a small percentage of your expenses at the Merchant Marine Academy. A 1986 Merchant Marine Academy graduate tells me that about half of the students there were rejected by Annapolis or another major service academy. He said the other half wanted careers on oceangoing ships. 作者去商船海运专科学校(Merchant Marine Academy)，分析者认为他的理由大概是和其 他从这间学校毕业的学生一样，想要申请major service academy，但是被拒绝。毕竟， major service academy是很有名望的，而且学生不用付学费还可拿一份薪水。你必须付 一小份的开支给这间学校。一个1986年的商船海运专科学校的学生告诉我，有一半的学生 被安那波理斯(Annapolis)或是其他的major service academy拒绝。他说另一半要 oceangoing ships的工作。 为了回答前面大言不惭的问别人有没有读完书的人，我再翻一点。 Missing the point 分析者认为，这本书根本没有重点，不同的人去同一本书，每个人回答的像是看不一样的 书似的，作者用了很多似是而非的话，来让读者以为是很深奥且有涵义的话，像是：让钱 为你工作，而非你为钱而工作。乍看之下好有内涵，但是其实他什麽也没说。 “Don’t work for money. Make money work for you,” are amorphous in their actual meaning, but have the effect of “spinning” the reader into thinking he has just gotten good advice. 当然，想必有不少的人认为这句话有有意义(当初我听到时也很惊叹)，实际上却非如此。 当然固执的人不管怎麽说也不会通，文中讲的很详细了。 最後是前面有人说的，作者认为学历高不重要，当然有人反对作者不是这样说，不管他怎 麽说，请先看清楚分析者真正的意思： Wisely-chosen education—defined broadly as reading books, talking to successful people in the field you are interested in, attending courses, and subscribing to trade publications is generally the highest return you can earn on your money and time. 有智慧的选择教育，广泛的定义就是阅读、和你有兴趣的领域里成功的人交谈、参与课程 、定阅出版刊物，可以得到最高的在金钱和时间上的回报。 Kiyosaki is just telling lazy and/or stupid students a line of bull that lets them avoid responsibility for their poor academic performance and gives them a convenient scapegoat to blame for their lousy financial situations. 作者只是告诉懒且/或笨的学生废话，让他们免除因为他们糟糕的学业表现的责任和给他 们一个方便的代罪羔羊去责备他们那糟糕的经济情况(翻的不是很好，请见谅)。 There is also more value to education than just its financial rewards. If you like philosophy and are willing to take a vow of poverty, you ought to study philosophy. Not everyone suffers from Kiyosaki’s need to impress people with how much money he has made (or claims to have made). 但是教育带来的价值是比他的经济上的价值还高的。如果你喜欢哲学(前文有叙述，很多 人认为读哲学没钱赚是很不好的选择，还有说到公共服务类的系也是)，而且愿意承受贫 穷，你就该去读哲学。不该是只为了赚钱而教育的。 这段话也非全都是分析者说的，请别弄错了^^ -- 欢迎来到永远的教父---爱尔帕西诺的讨论板---Al Pacino 视听剧场 偶像, 音乐, 广电 [lpyd/EmilCha Idols_6West 人物 Σ西洋巨星俱乐部 [sagit] West_Boys 西洋 Σ西洋男星吧台 AlPacino 美国 ◎艾尔帕西诺 clouddeep --

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