作者TMWSTW (Irrenhaus)
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标题Re: [讨论] 觉得钢弹MK2 称不上有效战力
时间Wed Sep 14 14:57:33 2005
※ 引述《calicocat (三毛猫)》之铭言:
: 尖端出版的钢弹小说-0083里
: 翻译者YOKO大大就说明的很清楚罗~
: (P.S.有看过的人可以跳过噜~^^;)
: 时间轴:
: 0079-0083-0087
: 迪拉兹的反叛,造成地球与宇宙居民间的冲突
: 使得打着"地球菁英主义"的迪坦斯组织得以掘起...
: 而在星尘作战中,负责开发新锐钢弹(GP0X系列)的亚那海姆电子企业~
: 由於因战争期间,其高层曾经暗中支持吉翁残党,
: (即是在0083殖民地坠落战中,提供燃料给本将落入月面的殖民地,使其转向而往地球坠落)
: 自然在战後得不到在联邦中坐大的迪坦斯青睐...
: 所以开发钢弹的技术,并没有从亚那海姆那边,移交给迪坦斯
: 造成由迪坦斯自行开发的MS---钢弹Mk-II
: 比起後来亚那海姆开发的新型钢弹系列:百式,Z,ZZ等
: (以上都是强到爆炸~相较Mk-II可说是杂鱼一枚吧?!~XD)
: 性能有明显落差...
: (不过卡谬能把这台驾驶的这麽好,也真不简单...不愧是新人类)
: ---
: from YOKO大评论总整:
: 无论是故事剧情或MS技术,
: 0083都能成功地将0079-0087这段空窗期弥补起来,
: (0079受过去机械人卡通的影响甚多,所以没考虑MS技术部份)
: 再加上钢弹设定接近真实,
: (忘记是谁设计了~O.Q)
: 所以大受钢弹军武写实派的支持,并不是没有道理的~
: ---
: 不过我还是比较喜欢0080...XD
关於Rick Dias和Gundam MKII,个人还是认为MKII的性能是比较好的,主要的资料
来源是Mecha Anime HQ
http://www.mahq.net/mecha/gundam/index.htm
其中关於Rick Dias的资料如下:
Model number: RMS-099 (MSA-099)
Code name: Rick Dias
Unit type: mass production attack use heavy mobile suit
Manufacturer: Anaheim Electronics Company
Operator: Anti-Earth Union Group
Accommodation: pilot only, in panoramic monitor/linear seat cockpit in head
Dimensions: overall height 21.6 meters; antenna height 18.7 meters; head
height 18.0 meters
Weight:
empty 32.2 metric tons; max gross 54.7 metric tons;
mass ratio 1.43
Construction:
gundarium γ alloy on semi-monocoque frame
Powerplant: Minovsky type ultracompact fusion reactor, output rated at 1833 kW
Propulsion: rocket thrusters: 2 x 37400 kg; vernier thrusters/apogee motors: 7
Performance:
maximum thruster acceleration: 1.37 G
Equipment and design features: sensors, range 11500 meters; 2 x "random
binder" ejectable external propellant tank, mounted on backpack; birdlime
launchers in hands; flare launchers in hands
Fixed armaments:
2-barrel 55mm vulcan phalanx anti-missile gun system,
mounted in head;
beam saber, power rated at 0.4 MW, stored in recharge rack
in backpack, hand-carried in use
Optional hand armaments:
2 x beam pistol, power rated at 2.2 MW, powered by
rechargeable energy cap, can be stored in backpack storage racks; clay
bazooka, clip-fed, 7 rounds per clip plus 1 round in chamber
而Gundam MKII的资料是:
Model number: RX-178
Code name: Gundam Mark II
Unit type: prototype general purpose mobile suit
Manufacturer: Earth Federation Forces (Titans)
Operator(s): Anti-Earth Union Group; Titans
First deployment: UC 0087
Accommodation: pilot only, in panoramic monitor/linear seat cockpit in torso
Dimensions: overall height 19.6 meters; head height 18.5 meters
Weight:
empty 33.4 metric tons; max gross 54.1 metric tons; mass ratio 1.44
Construction:
titanium alloy/ceramic composite on movable frame
Powerplant: Minovsky type ultracompact fusion reactor, output rated at 1930 kW
Propulsion: rocket thrusters: 4 x 20300 kg; vernier thrusters/apogee motors:
10
Performance:
maximum thruster acceleration 1.50 G
Equipment and design features: sensors, range 11300 meters
Fixed armaments: 2 x XB-G-1048L (Titans) / A*E-Br*G-Sc-L (AEUG) beam saber,
power rated at 0.45 MW , stored in recharge racks on backpack, hand-carried in
use
Optional fixed armaments: VCU-505EX-Gry/Ver.009 (Titans) /
VCU-505EX-V*B/Ver.012 (AEUG)
60mm 2-barrel vulcan pod, 1400 rounds total,
mounted on head; RX*M-Sh-VT/S-00018 (Titans) / RX*M-Sh-VT/S-001 (AEUG)
shield, mounted on either forearm
Optional hand armaments: BOWA*XBR-M-86-C2 (Titans) / A*E-Br*XBR-87-C (AEUG)
beam rifle, power rated at 2.6 MW, powered by replaceable e-pac, 2 spare
e-pacs stored in shield; H-Baz-85-Gry/Ver.045 (Titans) / H-Baz-87-A*E/Ver.004
(AEUG) 360mm hyper bazooka, clip-fed, 7 rounds per clip plus 1 round in
chamber, can be stored on rear skirt armor storage rack; clay bazooka,
clip-fed, 7 rounds per clip plus 1 round in chamber, can be stored on rear
skirt armor storage rack
比较一下可以看到,MKII不管是在加速度、远程火力、近战火力上都优於RICK DIAS,
惟一的弱项是装甲的材质不如RICK DIAS,但差不多的重量应该可以推测可动骨架能比
较有效的利用装甲防护,因此也很难说MKII的装甲就不如RICK DIAS,毕竟材质不是装
甲强度的一切,而且MKII还有盾牌。
这样看来,ZG中卡密儿的MKII表现的比其他人的RICK DIAS好,并不能说全是以NT威能
撑的,MKII也的确是较RICK DIAS来得强一点。不过拿来和造价可能能和母舰比的
MRX-009与MRX-010(PSYCHO GUNDAM 与 PSYCHO GUMDAM MKII)当然是没得比。
另外我个人想另外比较的是百式,虽说ZG中百式可能才是击毁数最多的MS(光靠最後用
地图兵器消灭一团GAZA-C,可能就超过卡密儿流血流汗的冲杀了XD),但其他表现说不
上是威猛,夏亚最後还被西罗克亏说「你想用那种MS来对付我吗?」ZZ中更是没威过了
,这对於一台开发者非常自豪的机种,似乎有点不相称,我们来看看百式吧:
Model number: MSN-00100
Code name: Hyaku Shiki
Unit type: prototype attack use mobile suit
Manufacturer: Anaheim Electronics Company
Operator: Anti-Earth Union Group
First deployment: UC 0087
Accommodation: pilot only, in panoramic monitor/linear seat cockpit in torso
Dimensions: overall height 21.4 meters; antenna height 19.2 meters; head
height 18.5 meters
Weight:
empty 31.5 metric tons; max gross 54.5 metric tons; mass ratio 1.44
Construction:
gundarium alloy on movable frame
Powerplant: Minovsky type ultracompact fusion reactor, output rated at 1850 kW
Propulsion: rocket thrusters: 4 x 18600 kg; vernier thrusters/apogee motors:
12
Performance:
maximum thruster acceleration 1.37 G
Equipment and design features: sensors, range 11200 meters;
anti-beam
reflective coating on amror
Fixed armaments:
2 x 60mm vulcan gun, fire-linked, mounted in head; 2 x beam
saber, power rated at 0.4 MW, stored in recharge racks in rear waist armor,
hand-carried in use
Optional hand armaments:
beam rifle, power rated at 2.8 MW, powered by
rechargeable energy cap; clay bazooka, clip-fed, 7 rounds per clip plus 1
round in chamber; mega bazooka launcher
百式的远程火力稍强於MKII,但剑比较小只,加速度和RICK DIAS一样较MKII低一点,而
推进力的动力也比较低,虽然百式以机动性着称,但应该指的不是速度,而是机体本身的
动作比较灵活(或许因为这样所以能操作地图兵器的maga bazooka launcher)。
装甲方式,可动骨架加上gundarium合金,再加上防护涂料,应当是相当不错,不过也是
比MKII少了一个盾牌,而这对近战应该比较不利,除了最後一战外,百式不常有大损害,
就算是最後一战也只是断手脚(连头都没在大爆炸中飞掉),百式防护上应该是满好的,不
过有些骨架外露的情形。不过说实在话,进入接近战後,除非是巨大的PSYCHO GUNDAM系
列,还有其他大怪物,不然装甲的用处我是满怀疑的,近距离被直接击中就是会爆,百式
要玩远射偏偏速度不够,容易被追上,要玩近战虽然有机动性可是少了盾牌,最适合远程
狙击但偏偏「金光闪闪」(据战场上的士兵表示极为显眼!!!)
我的想法是,百式比较像「指挥官机」,开百式不容易死,但也不适合冲进敌阵,要逃跑
也不见得跑得掉,不过有远距火力,有行使战术的能力,一旦有充分的护卫,百式是很不
错的指挥用机。不过由於幽谷一直人手不足,弄到最後百式变成援助用的了……orz。
比起无敌的the-O来说,百式是一架在有限的能力中显现出指挥官气势的机器,算是不错
的设计了。百式和MKII相比的话,其实没办法说一定是谁强,不过MKII大概要以较快的
速度逼百式近战,不然就是逃跑,而要避免中程的dog fight,就ZG中的人物角色来说,
夏亚开百式注意队员的状况,卡密儿开MKII及Z杀到敌阵中,算是适合各自的角色。
讨论ZG中的夏亚和百式时,虽然看起来不威,可是还是要考虑一下画面看不到的「无形的
付出啊」。
最後,MKII和百式到底来说都还是优秀的机种,MKII改装的Super Gundam火力更是相当不
错(1.77G的最大加速,还有6.8MW的rifle),要说MKII不能当战力是有点过火了。
不过资源的差距也使得Titans有些用大钱弄出来的怪物,这也没办法啦…
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※ 编辑: TMWSTW 来自: 140.112.211.110 (09/14 15:01)
1F:推 choualan:好文 推推 140.129.25.209 09/14
2F:推 BalENoboY:百式在地位上类似於Saviour吗? 218.162.71.152 09/14
※ 编辑: TMWSTW 来自: 140.112.211.110 (09/14 15:29)
3F:推 Roshiel:所以结论是:百式比MK2略逊一些..但还堪用 XD 163.24.44.244 09/14
4F:→ Roshiel:不过夏亚好歹也是幽谷的领导者啊..看看西洛克 163.24.44.244 09/14
5F:→ Roshiel:哈曼都是开最好的机体..夏亚却只能开百式..惨啊 163.24.44.244 09/14
6F:→ Roshiel:关於力克迪亚斯那段..别忘了阿同学也开过啊 163.24.44.244 09/14
7F:→ Roshiel:夏亚与卡米优联合夹击都很难对付的阿希马 163.24.44.244 09/14
8F:→ Roshiel:却被阿同学开普普的RICK DIAS玩弄於鼓掌间 163.24.44.244 09/14
9F:→ Roshiel:可见还是要看驾驶员的啊 XD 163.24.44.244 09/14
10F:推 TMWSTW:阿同学的表现不计入机体能力XD140.112.211.110 09/14
11F:→ TMWSTW:如果计入的话,运输机就比ms强了…140.112.211.110 09/14
12F:推 derekderek00:没有红色涂装 三倍速不能啦 orz202.178.207.235 09/14
13F:推 Ctea:好文大推~ 220.135.90.62 09/14
14F:推 lwecloud:所以百式的金色涂装只是为了封印夏亚的能力?XD 59.115.11.175 09/14
15F:推 evilthomas:推楼上的 XD 202.86.141.211 09/14
16F:推 NightKnight:好文 推推推220.140.211.234 09/14
17F:推 Auxo:因为是指挥官机 所以只要呆呆站在那里就行了... 219.68.146.179 09/14
18F:→ Auxo:也所以才要用金色涂料嘛?永野大神...... 219.68.146.179 09/14
19F:推 elsewhite:裤袜脱落:"没有我的助攻 你能得分吗!?" 218.184.85.236 09/15
20F:推 GunMKII:我还是有点价值的(神气貌~~) 140.129.56.92 09/15
21F:推 arrakis:指挥官机啊...(仰头) 163.13.147.240 09/15
22F:推 fuckingguy:对呵..百式是永野护设计的.. 61.229.79.42 09/15
23F:推 apek:好文 推~ 61.229.192.239 09/16
24F:推 supersd:给夏亚开太好的机种他会沉迷於当驾驶员?所以开烂一点点... 09/17 00:08
25F:推 articlebear:推 09/17 15:44
26F:推 yasea2004:为何the-O大家都说好 包括卡通里 档案中没Z强哩?? 09/18 00:26