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※ [本文转录自 Gossiping 看板] 作者: sfp (Fru:z) 站内: Gossiping 标题: Re: [新闻] 张忠谋:台湾锁国10年 经济倒退 时间: Wed Nov 21 15:20:33 2007 ※ 引述《joshux (josh)》之铭言: : 看一下原文吧 : Taiwan is competitive, yet lacks openness: : http://www.chinapost.com.tw/business/2007/11/21/131759/Taiwan-is.htm 这个也不是原文 是记者的报导 以下是看得到张忠谋原文的部份: Taiwan remains a highly competitive economy. 台湾在经济上还是保持高度竞争力 Taiwan benefits from a highly educated population, a healthy ecosystem and industrious, diligent workers 台湾的优势在人民的教育程度 健康的生态 还有勤劳勤勉的工人 While such measurements are not easily quantifiable," stressed Chang, "I think that anyone who has worked with Taiwanese people will agree that they are very industrious and hard-working. 这些东西很难量化 不过曾和台湾人共事的人都会同意 台湾人很勤劳 工作勤奋 This is the biggest weakness in the near term," said Chang. "Incomplete globalization is becoming more and more a drag on the economy. During the last 10 years, as globalization has accelerated, Taiwan has either stood still or even gone backward. 短期内 这(记者说是指Openess 开放性)就是最大的弱点 不完整的全球化越来越变成是经济上的阻力 过去的十年 全球化加速 台湾因而停滞或甚至倒退 If Taiwan had seized the opportunity 15 to 20 years ago, its economic development would be much faster. It simply failed to take advantage of that opportunity. 台湾若在15到20年前有把握机会的话 经济发展会比现在好得多 (即1987-1992之间) 当时白白浪费了那个机会 Even though Taiwan had had democracy for at least a decade, the necessary institutions have not yet been set up. There needs to be more balance between the executive, legislative and judicial branches 虽然台湾拥有民主已有十年以上的时间 社会制度还没有建立起来 (我认为这里的institutions是指社会制度 包括政府组织) 行政, 立法, 司法三权还需要更平衡一点 然後记者补充 特别是执法面需要加强 The heavy boot steps of government are everywhere 政府的效率在许多地方都有待改进 Every day, you see in the news that there are many infractions and violations in this area. It is a common occurrence and yet the bad behavior continues 每天 都在新闻看到 有违反执法的事情发生 经常发生 这种坏行为一直持续着 "Most Taiwanese companies are dominated by single major shareholders or are family-owned. This does not provide a good environment for good corporate governance. In fact, good corporate governance is usually contrary to the interests of single major shareholders or families." 绝大部份的台湾公司 都掌握在少数大股东手上 或是家族企业 对公司治理而言 无法提供一个良好的环境 "The Chinese people are very tradition-bound," he said. "Conformity is valued rather than innovation." Taiwan is also a very inward-looking country, in his view. 华人性格是非常传统的 重视服从甚於创新 台湾是一个非常向内部看的国家 "It reminds me of the Qing Dynasty Emperor Qian Long who ruled in the late 18th century. He was considered one of the best emperors and, yet, my feeling is that this represents an egregious overestimation of what he did." 让我想起清乾隆 他被认为是最好的皇帝 但我的感觉是 这是对他所做评价太高了 "He knew nothing about the outside world," noted Chang. "In his eyes, running the country very well was enough; China was better than the rest of the world. Lots of events happening today remind me of that attitude." 他不知道外面的世界 从他眼中 好好治理国家就够了 中国比世界其余的部份来得好 现在发生的很多事让我想到这样的态度 "Trust is extended to only a small circle of people," Chang said, citing research by Francis Fukuyama, indicating that Asian societies score comparatively low when it came to willingness to extend trust. 人与人之间的信任只维持在小圈子内 根据研究 说到扩展信任 亚洲社会的得分相对就低了 "There is too much emphasis in Taiwan on transfer of knowledge and not enough on independent, creative thinking," 在台湾, 太重视知识的传承. 独立的, 创造性的思考, 则是非常不足. "Those reforms were very difficult," said Chang. "I am not too optimistic that any similar reform can take place in Taiwan. It is not that I am a pessimist but I am also not very optimistic in expecting such major reform." 这些改革非常困难 对於这样的改革发生在台湾 我不是太乐观 我并非悲观主义者 只是我对於这种主要的改革并不是非常的乐观 When asked whether he thought a two-tier economy (competitive high-tech sector vs. an uncompetitive rest of the economy) was developing, Chang observed with a laugh that, "Taiwanese high-tech companies are not that good. They also suffer from problems. In addition, many companies in other industries are not that bad." It is more, he said, a question of who started the company and their leadership ability." *当被问到是否双阶层的经济正在成形(科技产业及传统产业) 台湾的高科技公司没那麽好 他们有他们的问题 其他产业的许多公司也没那麽糟 与其说是产业的分别 不如说谁创立的公司 他们的领导风格 更重要 As most Taiwanese companies started out as OEM providers, Chang sees no reason why the same model cannot be replicated with success for other sectors like biotech: "It is the natural path for almost every Taiwanese company to do contract manufacturing." (大部份的台湾公司以OEM起家 张忠谋认为没有理由这种模式不能应用到其他产业 例如生技) 对几乎所有台湾公司来说 这是很自然的路线 "Given that Taiwan has only 2 percent the population of China, I think that it is best if Taiwan-similar to Hong Kong-plays the role of a gateway." 台湾的人口大概是中国的2% 我认为台湾最好像香港一样 扮演入口的角色 "It is not a question of losing out to Chinese companies but to any companies," he said. "To keep from losing out, you have to safeguard your trade secrets and protect your IP." 重点不是会不会输给中国的公司 而是世界上的任何一家公司 不想输的话 就要保护好你的商业机密 你的智慧财产权 Right now, I would lift restrictions on investment and open the three links," saying these policies have contributed to one of Taiwan's chief weaknesses, namely an economy that is "incompletely globalized, incompletely opened." (如果他有魔杖的话) 我会解除投资的限制 开放三通 (台湾经济的弱点在於)不完整的全球化 不完整的开放 --



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1F:→ mrape:台湾人的背後是日本人?! 11/21 15:22
2F:→ valenci:我个人觉得台湾的开放度...一直低於我们试着能去做的。 11/21 15:21
3F:→ valenci:再拖的话.....以後也别想追了吧....金融、航运还有追较近 11/21 15:25
4F:→ valenci:的可能吗? 11/21 15:25
5F:→ timshow:这让我想到2年前在政大听张X谋的演讲 "所以说 就是要变" 11/21 15:25
6F:→ timshow:变个大头鬼 在录影机前 我照睡 一点价值都没有 11/21 15:26
7F:→ valenci:要「依据自己能做到的」.....去努力升级,我也反对跳级打 11/21 15:26
8F:推 foreverthink:还不错 可以学英文 11/21 15:27
9F:→ valenci:怪就是了......一点价值都没有? 11/21 15:27
10F:推 McRay:感谢原po 11/21 15:27
11F:→ valenci:healthy ecosystem(汗) 11/21 15:28
12F:推 ccl007:连记者也锁国 英文不好 ˇˇ 11/21 15:29
13F:→ nra7346:timshow可是显然现在张某人比你有价值得多啊... 11/21 15:28
14F:→ nra7346:健康的生态...XDDD 11/21 15:29
15F:→ valenci:突然觉得勤劳的工人也很酸......XD 11/21 15:33
16F:推 uwmtsa:这两年老张又不知帮自己以及股东赚多少,那个睡觉的还在睡吧 11/21 15:33
17F:推 ianlin45:睡觉还可以拿来说嘴... 11/21 15:36
18F:推 GreenSoldier:有没有自己程度差听不懂就睡 还说别人没价值的八卦 11/21 15:44
19F:推 GaoGaiGar01:1987-1992 当时是老李执政年代吧 11/21 15:48
20F:推 goodcial:Chinese people是指中国人吧! 11/21 15:49
21F:→ nra7346:这里指的是华人没错啊~ 11/21 15:50
22F:推 tkucuh:我在想 把张拱上经济部长 会不会跟林信义一样被骂下台 11/21 15:51
23F:→ poeoe:说开放的绝对会被骂不爱台湾..把他供上去也会被骂下台 11/21 15:54
24F:→ Pissaro:一样啦,政府单位不像民间自己当老板一样剑及履及地去做 11/21 15:53
25F:→ Pissaro:当了部长的人就得花时间精力去跟扯後腿的立法院对干 11/21 15:55
26F:推 ge0619mini:大家小声点讨论 不要吵醒睡觉的 11/21 15:55
27F:→ Pissaro:这一点谁当部长都一样,别以为谁当经济部长就能改变 11/21 15:55
28F:推 kornai:timshow当时我也在,但人家就是可以领导企业赚钱 11/21 15:54
loser1:转录至看板 KMT 11/21 17:16 -- 台湾是中国永久不可分裂但可割让的一部份。 --



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29F:推 jimfox:别听张董喇叭大陆研究生薪水不到我一半220.136.177.100 11/21 21:42
30F:→ jimfox:企业讲究的是COST DOWN220.136.177.100 11/21 21:42
31F:→ jimfox:对大陆全面开放台湾经济衰退更快更惨220.136.177.100 11/21 21:43
32F:→ jimfox:大陆劳工价格便宜超有竞争力吸引力220.136.177.100 11/21 21:45
33F:→ jimfox:台湾700RMB能睡整夜吗?220.136.177.100 11/21 21:47
34F:推 switching:准备变成菲律宾吗XD140.113.128.237 11/21 22:42







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