※※※直接懒人包→里面很重要的一段，原PO有引言认同※※※ 他们测试後发现，只有 P8（8人难度）下的血量（Life）会持续保留，但伤害（Damage） 和准确率（AR）等数据则不会。 ***(YTerMrLlamaSC 及其团队) 另外也测试出，每次进入游戏时，恶魔都会根据你当下的「绑定恶魔」技能等级重新召唤 ，所以捕捉恶魔时，不需要非得在最高等级的状态下进行。 ※※※ ※※※ Goomshill作者做了多种测试 排列的宝可梦应该是输出做主要考量， 他在後面几页还有回覆补充道:还是要依照配置、跟便利程度。 也有提到A4圣冰诅咒Hephasto是蛮全面适合回响的其中一种。 实在太多页了， 22 页!m以下挑一些重点讨论或有趣的东西 (因为是简单网页G翻，所以有些语句或词汇有误，建议还是要看原文) 例如aura灵气都译成光环不好理解。而原po分层的观点主要在火力输出 他仍有多次提到还是要看技能配置跟需求 记得JAB戳刺会有硬直，但输出极高。 还有一点印象看到K大说过枪兵有一招ZON的充能一击，印象这招打出来不是很优。 (charge strike) 太长...打到断线...PAGE16後面不见 原文出处: Pokemon Tier List https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=107926808&f=148 ※page1 S Tier: Spear Rogue (TZ > Matron > Reg) A Tier: Urdar > Minion of Destruction > Vile Mother B Tier: Goatman > Hephasto > Smith > Axe Rogue > Hell Buzzard C Tier: Council > Balrog / Overseer / Putrid Defiler / Tainted > Flayer F Tier: Fallen/Fetish Shaman > Siren > Fetish / Archer Rogue > Demon Imp > Succubi Platinum SSS Hidden Tier: Pain Worm / Vile Child upgraded to unique via monster shrine so it has cursed 没TZ状态时 古墓胖子Lv83 火河胖子Lv88 铁匠Lv88 这边还没时间去找中文名跟位置 ~~~ ;;Why is Spear Rogue ranked so highly? Also Hephasto isn't #1? Spear rogue uses attack, power/cold strike & jab. And jab hits 3 times in a row. Hephasto uses normal attack. Goats move 50% faster and waste less time between targets, while Hephasto attacks a bit faster, but they're all limited by 15 frame AI delay and at 75% EIAS its 22 fpa vs 24-26 FPA 长矛盗贼使用普通攻击、强力/冰冷打击和刺击。刺击可以连续攻击3次。 赫菲斯托使用普通攻击。山羊的移动速度提升50%，目标切换间隔更短，而赫菲斯托的攻 击速度略快，但它们都受到15帧AI延迟的限制，在75%有效攻击速度下，山羊的攻击速度 为22帧/秒，而赫菲斯托的攻击速度为24-26帧/秒。 ~~~ Only act 5 guest monster spearwomen use jab, and the matron's den version (who have 4x the HP). You can collect them in frigid highlands, frozen river, ancient's way and worldstone keep 1 I'm guessing the stray fetish is simply failing to look up its stats in areas it doesn't belong and has 0-0 base damage and the chip damage I'm taking is from spectral hit. Not sure why it has a real HP pool then. Going to be very hard to menace anyone with it if its just doing 83 ele damage per hit. Maybe if it has mana burn it could drain someone? 只有第五幕的客串怪物女矛兵会使用刺击，还有女族长巢穴里的版本（生命值是普通版本 的四倍）。 你可以在冰封高地、冰封之河、远古之路和世界石要塞1中收集到它们 。我猜想这只流浪的图腾只是没能在它不属於的区域查看属性，所以基础伤害是0，而我 受到的伤害是来自幽灵打击。我不明白为什麽它会有实际的生命值。 如果它每次攻击只造成83点元素伤害，那麽它很难对任何人构成威胁。也许如果它有法力 燃烧效果，就能吸取敌人的法力？ 这段和K大说的一样，门里面的血厚不少。 ~~ ((小bug/彩蛋? A3萨蛮野外解召後，屍体重生小鬼，AI会变成敌对攻击你，但回城不会攻击人。 不能拿来杀人XD 至於城内解除就没有 详细请看原文跟原po录制的影片 )) Also secret ???? tier: https://youtu.be/tybTiasdHb8 He can run into towns from outside them, but won't attack people once in town (maybe the AI terror glitch could force it, but he'd still be unable to kill) If he dies in town he remains a clickable corpse that won't reanimate, because he's paused. If you leave the area and return he defaults back to standing animation but still idle 他可以从城外跑进城镇，但进城後不会攻击人（也许AI的恐惧漏洞可以强制他攻击， 但他仍然无法杀死任何人） 。如果他在城镇里死亡，他会变成一具可点击的屍体，但不会复活，因为他的动作被暂停 了。如果你离开该区域後再返回，他会恢复站立动画，但仍然处於静止状态 ※page2 So an important question I was asked by Szymikkrt and worth exploring was about how TZ affixes stack up and carry over games to create an even more powerful spearwoman Unfortunately upon testing thoroughly I found that: Affixes from terror zones WILL carry over added on top of all normal monsters. So if you bind a trash mob in a cursed terror zone, it will always carry the Cursed affix, even as you join a new game. Affixes from terror zones WILL NOT carry over onto champion mobs. Unfortunately. You will still get your champion bound and it will display the extra strong/fast/spectral/aura added to it, but it does NOT carry over affixes from TZ like Cursed Affixes from terror zones WILL NOT carry over onto unique mobs. They will only retain their base list of affixes without including the terror zone ones, plus the added bound ones- so no cursed from a cursed TZ 所以，有人问了我一个重要的问题(by Szymikkrt)值得探讨的是，TZ词缀如何叠加并继承 到下一场游戏中，从而打造出更强大的女矛兵。 遗憾的是，经过彻底测试後，我发现： 来自恐怖区域的词缀会保留下来，并叠加到所有普通怪物身上。所以，如果你在诅咒恐怖 区域绑定了一只小怪，即使你进入新游戏，它也会一直带有诅咒词缀。 恐怖区域的词缀不会继承到精英怪身上。很遗憾。你的精英怪仍然会绑定，并且会显示额 外添加的强力/快速/幽灵/光环效果，但它不会继承来自恐怖区域的词缀，例如诅咒词缀 。 恐怖区域的词缀不会继承到独特生物身上。它们只会保留基础词缀列表，不包括恐怖区域 的词缀，以及额外绑定的词缀——所以诅咒区域不会给独特生物附加诅咒词缀。 ※page3 ;Am I tripping or why would a mob from tz be better than from marton’s den? ;Don’t those den ones have immune to literally anything except phys dmg Naw that's the venom lords in furnace of pain / uber trist, can only be uniques in furnace. They have the upside of 50% dr and 145% all other resists Black lancers in matrons den are lightning immune, with 33% dr and 0/25/100/50/15% resists Advantage of matrons den is that they have 400-500% of monlvl health and 130-260% of damage (120-180 for jab), while other a5 lancers only have 80-115% health and 65-130% damage (60-90 jab) But you're adding vastly more base damage from the skill so their % base stats don't matter, and while they do have almost 4x the HP that doesn't matter when they can't die because 500k+ hp + 6k/s regen and a button to spoon them 2 juvs and 100%+ lifesteal and so on Indeed the immunities on venom lords simply don't matter because taking damage is irrelevant when you can't die. The only immunities on demons that kind of matter are cold immunity to prevent chill, and poison immunity because poison disables their regen (but boy they still could tank for 10 minutes). And cold immunity only relative to chill effectiveness, cold is a 33% slow on lancers and they become cold immune with cold enchanted, same stats for blunderbores and lister. TZ lancers get up to level 99 as a unique and use the base 111 damage / 3940 ar, and for lvl 96 life for 7447 base. Den lancer uniques are level 86 with base 98 / 3446 ar, while hp is level 83 with base 5952. And having 400-500% of 5952. Hence the base damage is 72-144 for TZ a5 lancer normal attack, vs 127-254 for den lancers. But you're adding +1718 on top. And being level 99 means a better chance to hit in TZ areas / ubers against 96+ level opponents where even if you brought them to 100 hp after deathmark + conviction aura you might still have a significant chance to hit below 95% ;;我是不是记错了？为什麽来自坦格利安的怪物会比马顿巢穴的怪物强？马顿 ;;巢穴的怪物不是除了物理伤害以外免疫所有伤害吗？ 不，那是痛苦熔炉/终极崔斯特瑞姆里的毒液领主，只能是熔炉里的独特物品。他们的优 势在於50%的伤害减免和145%的其他所有抗性。女族长 巢穴中的黑枪兵免疫闪电伤害，拥有33%的伤害减免和0/25/100/50/15%的抗性。 女族长巢穴的优势在於他们拥有相当於怪物等级400-500%的生命值和130-260%的伤害（刺 击为120-180%），而其他A5枪兵只有80-115%的生命值和65-130%的伤害（刺击为60-90%） 。 但是，技能带来的基础伤害大幅提升，所以他们的基础属性百分比并不重要。虽然他们的 生命值几乎是其他枪兵的四倍，但这无关紧要，因为他们几乎无法被杀死，拥有超过50万 的生命值、每秒6000的生命回复，还有一个按钮可以让他们召唤两个幼崽，以及超过100% 的生命偷取等等。 确实，毒液免疫也很重要。领主们根本无关紧要，因为如果你不会死，受伤就毫无意义。 恶魔身上唯一有点意义的免疫是冰霜免疫（防止被冰冻）和毒素免疫（因为毒素会阻止它 们的生命回复，但它们仍然能扛上10分钟）。冰霜免疫的意义也取决於冰冻效果，而冰霜 对长矛兵来说是33%的减速，而附魔冰霜後它们就免疫冰霜伤害，火铙和利斯特的属性也 一样。 TZ 长矛兵最高可升到99级，作为独特装备，基础伤害为111/护甲值3940，96级生命值则为 7447。丹恩枪骑兵的独特等级为86级，基础攻击力为98/3446，而HP枪骑兵的等级为83级 ，基础攻击力为5952，并且拥有5952的400-500%的加成。因此，TZ a5枪骑兵普通攻击的 基础伤害为72-144，而丹恩枪骑兵的基础伤害为127-254。但你还可以额外获得+1718的加 成。 99级意味着在TZ区域/超级BOSS中，面对96级以上的对手时，即使你在死亡标记和信 念光环的作用下将对手的生命值削减到100，你仍然有相当大的几率将其生命值降至95%以 下。 ※page4 ;;I know demon keeps the attributes of bind demon skill levels at the time of ;;taming and stays there forever (hence we can’t respec). ;;But do you know if they also keep the levels of the passive (oath and ;;mastery)? I guess it doesn’t really matter but just to min-max demons. ;;Can you tell me also why you put pin worm as platinum sss tier? Is it just ;;style point? ;Just style of course ;But yes we don't know exactly what's baked in at time of casting, binding and ;rejoining games, it needs to tested somehow and its not easy. The best way to ;set up tests would be using level 1 skill with +80 skills in hero editor, ;then test damage/etc in each scenario, should be pretty apparent. I am 99% confident that bind demon skill level is snapshotted into the demon at the time of taming (so basically max out bind demon skill level before taming if you care to min-max their attributes) which i briefly tested when it came out. I’m not sure how passive works ;;我知道恶魔驯服时会保留束缚技能的等级，并且永久生效（因此无法重置技能点）。 ;;但你知道它们是否也会保留被动技能（誓约和精通）的等级吗？我猜这其实不重要， ;;只是为了优化恶魔的属性。 ;;另外，可以告诉我你为什麽把蛆虫列为白金SSS级吗？仅仅是为了好看吗？ ;当然只是风格问题。 ;但我们确实不清楚施法、绑定和重新加入游戏时具体会触发哪些机制，这需要以某种方 ;式进行测试，而这并不容易。最好的测试方法是在英雄编辑器中使用1级技能搭配+80级技 ;能，然後在每种情况下测试伤害等效果，结果应该会很明显。 我99%确定驯服恶魔时束缚恶魔的技能等级会被快照到恶魔身上（所以如果你想最大化恶 魔的属性，基本上需要在驯服前把束缚恶魔的技能等级升到最高），我在它刚推出的时候 简单测试过。 我不确定被动技能是如何运作的。 ※page6 Different auras for different applications imo If you're a true pure summoner using only demon damage then aoe auras are wasted, because anything it hits is going to be cursed anyway. Well 75% of the time, but its still an aoe that applies it to the rest. Echoing strikes and blood boil builds need aoe curse from holy damage auras. Maybe the budget blood boil without infinity wants conviction + cursed and rely on the amp procs from attacks alone Fire warlock clearly wants conviction aura on the cheap But for a pure summoner who is only attacking with demon then fanat seems valid. I mean, its competing with you using beast mainhand, otherwise what else would you want? Might and holy freeze could be swapped between demon and merc otherwise, and ideally you'd get holy freeze on demon + cursed and might + pride on merc, but hell you could self-wield doom if you really cared about holy freeze too. I don't think the higher level fanat aura on demon is worth much though, because it ONLY gets the half % ed bonus rather than the double-to-self a player gets with it (光环请自动转译为灵气，这里是原po回覆前面几则问流派搭配的适合宠物) 我认为不同的光环适用於不同的用途。 如果你是纯粹的召唤师，只使用恶魔伤害，那麽范围光环就浪费了，因为所有被击中的目 标都会被诅咒。好吧，虽然有75%的机率是这样，但它毕竟是一个范围光环，可以把诅咒 施加到剩下的目标上。 回响打击和血沸流派需要神圣伤害光环的范围诅咒。也许不带无限光环的低配版血沸流派 需要信念光环+诅咒光环，并且只依靠攻击触发的增幅效果。 火术士显然需要廉价的信念光环 。但对於只用恶魔攻击的纯粹召唤师来说，狂热光环似乎很适合。我的意思是，它和你使 用野兽主手武器竞争，否则你还会想要什麽呢？力量光环和神圣冰冻光环可以在恶魔和佣 兵之间互换，理想情况下，恶魔应该装备神圣冰冻光环+诅咒光环，佣兵装备力量光环+骄 傲光环，但如果你真的很在意神圣冰冻光环，你也可以自己装备末日审判光环。我觉得恶 魔身上更高等级的狂热光环价值不大，因为它只能获得0.5%的增强效果加成，而不是玩家 本身获得的双倍效果。 ※page7 ;Definitely learning some interesting new techniques with blood boil as I use ;it ;clear entire rooms in tz 94 tomb runs without opening the door first, because ;deathmark lets you teleport your demon to the other side Was doing this the other day, demon will even open doors to run back to you lol Question for you - Is demon movespeed a factor? Rogue seems way faster than a Mauler for example. (I know enigma/deathmark move demons but this rogue will engage cross screen on its own FAST) ;我确实学到了一些用血沸术的有趣新技巧，因为我用它 ;在94层古墓探险中不用开门就能清空整个房间，因为死亡印记可以让你把恶魔传送到另 ;一边。 前几天试过，恶魔甚至会开门跑回来找你，哈哈。 问你个问题－恶魔的移动速度会影响移动速度吗？例如，盗贼的速度似乎比巨魔快得多 。 （我知道谜团/死亡印记可以移动恶魔，但这个盗贼能自己快速地跨屏攻击。） ※page8 ;Is this info still top? I think so but its getting into more 'it depends' on char builds With life not being locked in at casting it probably matters to have a tankier summon for a blood boil build where there's a real risk of it dying if you're being incautious For a pure summoner you really can't have your pokemon die no matter what For a build without high +demon skills this really favors Hephasto because he's so much higher HP than others except the Matron's Den variant of lancer comes out above other lancers due to her high hp, still not as much as heph but a huge bonus if life matters and if all you care about is having a demon to apply amp+curse and don't want it to die, the furnace venom lords with 26k normal / 52k unique life and 50/145/145/145/145/145 resists would be ideal tanks even if they might as well never attack with their shitty inferno 我觉得是这样，但这更多取决於角色构筑。 由於生命值在施法时不再锁定，对於血沸流派来说，召唤一个更肉的召唤物可能很重要， 因为稍有不慎召唤物就很容易死亡。对纯 召唤师来说，无论如何都不能让你的召唤物死亡。 对於没有高恶魔技能加成的构筑来说，赫菲斯托的优势非常明显，因为他的生命值比其他 召唤物高得多。 除了 女族长巢穴的枪兵变体之外，其他枪兵都更胜一筹，因为她的生命值也很高，虽然不如赫 菲斯托，但如果生命值很重要 ，这仍然是一个巨大的优势。如果你只关心召唤一个恶魔来施加强化和诅咒，并且不希望 它死亡，那麽拥有26k普通生命值/52k特殊生命值以及50/145/145/145/145/145抗性的熔 炉毒液领主是理想的坦克，即使他们的炼狱技能很烂，几乎无法攻击。 ※page10 ;goomshill ;what is my best bet to secure a strong demon with conviction aura ;^goomshill Pay 100 fg. ;我怎麽能最好地获得一个拥有信念光环的强大恶魔？ 支付 100 fg。 (jsp iso 之前是100fg一只徵 大约2000p上下) ~~~ ;well he spawned with convic on second run so I am happy for now ;I assume I need to recapture when I have higher level bind demon/passive ;skills? Your summon's lvl is capped at your own clvl They get highest lvl aura at monster lvl 96 and even if you can get heph lvl 96 from clvl 91 (TZ 93 +3 lvl for uniques) you still won't bind him at lvl 96 until you are yourself clvl 96+ ;他第二次就带着信念能出现了，所以我现在很满意。 ;我猜我需要等到束缚恶魔/被动技能等级更高的时候再去抓他吧？ 你的召唤物等级上限与你的角色等级相同。 它们在怪物等级达到96级时才能获得最高等级的光环 。即使你能从91级（特殊怪物等级为93级+3级）获得96级的赫菲斯托斯，你也只有在自身 等级达到96级以上时才能将其绑定到96级 ※page11 ;whats the best build for pure summon? ;highest level bind is around what? 54 ? +6 weapon +6 tome +3 helm +3 ammy +2 armor +2 sojs +1 arach +1 wraithstep +9 skillers +4 torch anni +1 cta +2 skill shrine = 60 that will only lock in level 60 until the game ends, and at most you can have level 58 when you enter a new game, with the laborious process of gear swapping to that stuff and back ;纯召唤流的最佳build是什麽？ ;最高等级的绑定技能大概是多少级？ 54级？ +6 武器 +6 魔典 +3 头盔 +3 项链 +2 盔甲 +2 乔丹之石 +1 蛛网 +1 幽灵步 +9 技能 石 +4 火炬灭 +1 召唤之杖 +2 技能神龛 = 60级， 但等级会锁定在60级直到游戏结束，最多只能在进入新游戏时达到非常58级，装备需要更 换。 ~~ ;On low/mid warlock (full naj/wt/2 ammy/rare belt/magefist/rhyme/save 3 ;respec) best bind demon setup? ;1. bind with items 20 need ;2. demonic mastery 20 ;3. Blood oat ~12 ;- Hephasto with conviction on cursed tz? May be teleport ;- or find Vile Mother A5 with conviction/cursed tz? Well definitely still depends on build but assuming echoing strikes Your ideal is probably still cursed + holy freeze urdar, but these are hard to obtain, same with a vile mother Ismail will be the easiest to obtain as cursed + holy freeze with that setup since you get the level 20 skill, but hephasto with cursed + holy freeze will be better- just much harder to obtain You could still roll TZ games until you get cursed and then search for the demon base you want and roll for cursed + holy freeze, but it won't be nearly as tanky as a high skills blood boil lock / endgame gear would get, so he might die where heph would live But urdars, particularly a5 guest ones, are basically unkillable ;低/中级术士（全套纳吉利服/符文之语/2个项链/稀有腰带/法师之拳/韵律/节省3点重 ;置技能点）最佳的恶魔束缚配置是什麽？ ;1. 绑定物品需要20点 ;2. 恶魔精通需要20点 ;3. 血燕麦(血誓)需要12点左右 ;。 - 赫菲斯托需要信念光环才能在诅咒时间节点上召唤恶魔？或许可以用传送术 ;- 或在A5难度下用信念光环召唤邪恶之母？ 当然，这仍然取决於你的角色构建，但假设你使用回响打击， 你的理想选择可能仍然是诅咒+神圣冰冻的乌尔达，但这些很难获得，邪恶之母也是如此 。 伊斯梅尔是诅咒+神圣冰冻组合中最容易获得的，因为你可以获得20级技能，但诅咒+神圣 冰冻的赫菲斯托会更好——只是更难获得。 你仍然可以刷TZ游戏直到获得诅咒，然後寻找你想要的恶魔底材并洗出诅咒+神圣冰冻的 组合，但这远不如高技能的沸血术士/终极装备那样肉，所以他可能会在赫菲斯托能活下 来的地方死去。 但乌尔达，特别是A5访客乌尔达，基本上是无法杀死的。 ※page12 ;What aura nets higher dps? You should be getting might from merc, if you're a pure summoner probably best holding pride so your merc can use a much higher damage weapon without blinds target. You can get fanat on your demon then, merc could be doom runeword if you still want holy freeze. That's for a pure summoner as opposed to a practical build I'm going to try doing some testing right now with 1 point bind on the a1 norm smith, no blood oath, and letting him get hit by the poison cloud from a5 hell p1 catapults in bloody foothills. As long as I avoid the other types I should be able to nail down P1 vs P8 health scaling. I'll report back tested on self 363 damage over 24 seconds with 0% resist / 0% poison length reduced in hell (+100% resist / +100% PLR) so against a -50% resist / 0% plr smith it should be 544 damage over 24 seconds and kill him from full hp in P1, but not P8 now to try the impossible task of getting this guy hit by poison but not anything else, I'll teleport to town if he's tagged /e also I'm unsure if the damage on catapults gets the +43.75% or not in P8. So I'll have to just test the broad strokes of numbers. First time binding him in P1, then P8 /e after GREAT difficulty getting catapults to switch to poison, P1 bound smith died after about 18-20 seconds of poison. This matches predicted math for his DPS taken, now for P8 testing. I'll first capture him in P8 norm, then bring him to a P1 hell First time confirms: he has only lost ~30% of his HP instead of 100% ;哪一种光环能带来更高的DPS？ (光环= 灵气) 如果你是纯召唤师，最好选择佣兵的「骄傲」符文，这样佣兵就能使用伤害更高的武器而 不会致盲目标。之後你可以给你的恶魔装备“狂热”，如果你仍然想要神圣冰冻，佣兵可 以装备“末日”符文之语。 以上是针对纯召唤师的，而不是针对实用流派的。 我现在就打算测试一下，给普通难度1的铁匠点1点“束缚”，不点“血誓”，让他被血腥 山麓5地狱难度1阶段的投石车的毒云击中。只要我避开其他类型的投石车，我应该就能确 定1阶段和8阶段的生命值成长差异。 我会报告 我自己的测试结果：在地狱难度下，0%抗性/0%中毒持续时间缩短（+100%抗性/+100%中毒 持续时间缩短），24秒内造成363点伤害。 所以，如果对手是-50%抗性/0%中毒持续时间缩短的铁匠，24秒内应该能造成544点伤害， 并且在P1阶段就能从满血状态击杀他。但 现在要测试P8阶段，因为要尝试一个几乎不可能的任务：让这个家伙中毒，但不能受到其 他伤害。如果他被标记，我会传送回城镇 （/e）。另外，我不确定P8阶段投石车的伤害是否会受到+43.75%的加成。所以我只能测 试一下大致的数值。第一次是在P1阶段绑定他，然後在P8阶段（ /e）费了九牛二虎之力才让投石车切换到中毒状态。 P1阶段绑定的铁匠在中毒约18-20秒 後死亡。这与他受到的伤害计算结果相符，现在开始P8阶段的测试。我先在P8普通难度下 抓他，然後再把他带到P1地狱难度。 第一次测试确认：他只损失了大约30%的生命值，而不是100%。 ~~ So extra testing should be unnecessary with that, we can establish that indeed a monster bound in a P8 game will have 4.5x the HP when you bring it to other games, locking in the base HP multiplier, and presumably also the base damage. That also means the rapid reroll method for getting a cursed TZ monster will only have 22% of the HP of a P8 monster. So you NEED to get it in a P8 game 因此，无需进行额外的测试。我们可以确定，在P8游戏中绑定的怪物，在转移到其他游戏 中时，其生命值会是P8怪物的4.5倍，基础生命值倍率和基础伤害倍率也基本保持不变。 这也意味着，透过快速重置获得诅咒的TZ怪物，其生命值只有P8怪物的22%。所以，你必 须在P8游戏中获得它。 (这里伤害应该有错 後面有人提出) ※page13 Two very important information has been released by llamasc. Source: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1N76YZ0ayqX4zauRGX2KvagL6D3PlXLSzq-oGmJoU4HI/edit?usp=drivesdk Demon gets resummoned every time you join the game (it’s not being snapshotted) Demon keeps p8 life stats Check the linked google sheet drafted by mrllamasc’s team (i got the link from his youtube post). I accidentally set it restricted access but now should be able to open through the link. They tested that only p8 life persists but damage and ar stats. Also tested demon gets resummoned with your bind demon level everytime you join the game so no need to max lvl bind demon when you capture it 请查看 MrLlamaSC 团队起草的 Google 表格（连结是从他的 YouTube 贴文中取得的）。 我之前不小心设成了限制存取，但现在应该可以透过连结开启了。 测试结果如下： 他们测试後发现，只有 P8（8人难度）下的血量（Life）会持续保留，但伤害（Damage） 和准确率（AR）等数据则不会。 另外也测试出，每次进入游戏时，恶魔都会根据你当下的「绑定恶魔」技能等级重新召唤 ，所以捕捉恶魔时，不需要非得在最高等级的状态下进行。 (原po回应上面这段回文) Yeah we tested the latter part earlier, but still need to have level 20+ bind since it locks in affixes The base damage, if it is or isn't getting locked in at binding for P1 vs P8, would be an unnoticeably insignificant portion of damage anyway. IE the difference between (127+1718) and (182+1718) not worth testing for anyway 没错，我们之前也测试过後者，但仍然需要将「绑定恶魔」等级提升到 20 级以上，因为 这会决定（锁定）恶魔的词缀（Affixes）。 至於基础伤害的部分，无论是在 P1 还是 P8 难度下绑定是否会被锁定，其影响的伤害占 比都微乎其微，几乎察觉不到。例如：(127+1718) 与 (182+1718) 之间的差距，根本不 值得特地去测试。 ※page14 ;My demons are absorbing about 67% of my damage, and trust me - they can die ;in HC :) That's a mistake. Only hard points in blood oath work, so you can't have -67% dmg, the skill is lying to you. ;我的恶魔吸收了我大约 67% 的伤害，相信我——它们在专家模式下也会死的 :) 这是个错误。只有血誓中的硬点才会生效，所以你不可能有-67%的伤害减免，这个技能在 骗你。 ※page15 ;Can i get rogue spear with conviction aura? ;Also how its survivability on p5 cows? Regular one? ;Also can i get dens rogue with convi? if you're doing the cursed tz method, you just bind every non unique non minion spear woman in A5 until you get one with conviction aura. Do they die? Yes my P1 one has died twice and when that happens its always in super crowded rooms full of projectiles flying everywhere. Just get a p8 one since apparently they keep their playing setting hp and it should never die. ;我能获得带有信念光环的盗贼长矛吗？ ;它在P5乳牛场上的生存能力如何？普通的乳牛场吗？ ;我还能获得带有信念光环的巢穴盗贼吗？ 如果你用的是诅咒之源（Curdes the Zh）方法，那就得在A5里绑定所有非唯一、非召唤 物的长矛女，直到拿到一个带信念光环的为止。她们会死吗？是的，我的P1长矛女已经死 了两次，而且每次都是在人超级多、弹幕乱飞的房间里。乾脆弄一个P8的吧，据说她们会 保留初始血量，应该不会死。 ※page16 ;what is an act5 guest monster? ;I should be farming for the speargirl in frigig/frozen river/ancients way and ;wsk1? what about matrons den? what is matrons den? ;obv tz for the above would be ideal guest monsters are random % chance monsters that spawn in act 5 with souped up abilities, blunderbores for example have 22% chance to spawn in frigid highlands or pit of acheron matron's den is the uber quest area with lilith, and has 400-500% base hp monsters but they are stuck at area level 83 because you can't terrorize it ;第五幕的客串怪物是什麽？ ;我应该去弗里吉格/冰封之河/远古之路和世界之眼1刷枪女吗？女祭司巢穴呢？女祭司巢 ;穴是什麽？ ;显然，如果能找到上述地点就太好了。 客串怪物是第五幕中随机出现的怪物，它们拥有更强的能力。例如，火钶有22%的几率在 冰封高地或阿刻戎深渊的母巢中生成。 母巢是莉莉丝所在的超级任务区域，其中的怪物基础生命值高达400-500%，但由於无法使 用恐吓技能，它们的等级被限制在83级。 ~~~ ;does anyone know how the bind skill and passive work with level? i mean if i ;enter in a game with level 50 in all skills the bind demon will have the ;stats of lvl 50 skill, ok if i take out all my gcs after enter game, he lose ;the stats? or keep since i do not summon again? Everytime you enter a new game he resummons with the skills, if you take out gcs after entering game he doesn't lose stats. ;有人知道绑定技能和被动技能的等级是如何运作的吗？我的意思是，如果我所有技能都升 ;到50级进入游戏，绑定恶魔的属性也会是50级技能的属性。如果我进入游戏後取出所有召 ;唤兽，它的属性会消失吗？还是会保留，因为我没有再召唤？ 每次进入新游戏，他都会带着技能重新召唤，如果在进入游戏後取出 GC，他不会失去属 性。 ※page17 ;so I farmed ancients way TZ until I found a cursed one and just got a tz95 ;regular spear woman. I have high skills, so she is a beast now. How can I ;make her better? She wasn't unique/champion, just a regular mob. She is ;immune to lightning. Is it possible to get a better roll? Like a spear woman ;immune to 2 things instead of one? Could she theoretically have more ;attributes as well? Well for normal pvm purposes the best possible spearwoman you could get is a TZ 96 natural cursed + aura enchanted, TZ affix irrelevant, but that's incredibly rare. And then the only advantage over a normal spearwoman upgraded to unique is the extraneous affixes she could have, mostly stone skin for +50% dr, which can increase her from 49% DR with buffs -> 99% DR and be virtually immune, not fully immune but taking negligible damage- but she's already virtually unkillable even with 33% DR. Same reason a matron's den spearwoman isn't superior even though it has 400-500% hp and more base damage- its lower level so less chance to hit. Blood boil builds have to care about monster hp and regen so they should use urdars. Any build other than blood boil still should have 20 blood oath and an unkillable demon even if its 1 point bind demon, so in all other cases (pure summoner, ES warlock, fire warlock, etc) spearwoman would be #1 option, and TZ 96 spearwoman still has such overkill HP & regen she's better than an urdar. So basically the TZ 96 spearwoman basic mob is more or less the best you're going to get. It doesn't really matter if she gets other affixes if they're redundant effects. You could have a 99% dr stone skin but does it make a difference if the 49% dr version heals faster than it takes damage even vs ubers? She can be cold immune with any cold enchantment (50% base cold resist on all versions), but eh, too few monsters deal cold damage to slow her and they normally last a fraction of a second anyway. ;所以我刷远古之路，直到我刷到一只诅咒怪，然後就出了个95级的普通长矛女。我的技能 ;等级很高，所以她现在很强。我该怎麽提升她呢？她不是精英怪/冠军怪，只是个普通怪 ;物。她免疫闪电。有可能刷出更好的属性吗？例如免疫两种伤害而不是一种？理论上她还 ;能拥有更多属性吗？ (原po:) 对於一般玩家对战怪物（PVM）而言，你能获得的最佳长矛女战士是96级TZ自然诅咒+光环 附魔的长矛女战士（TZ词缀无关紧要），但这极为罕见。她相比普通长矛女战士升级到传 奇装备的唯一优势在於她可以拥有额外的词缀，主要是石肤术（+50%伤害减免），这可以 将她的伤害减免从49%（含增益）提升到99%，几乎免疫伤害——虽然并非完全免疫，但受 到的伤害微乎其微——但即使只有33%的伤害减免，她几乎无法杀死她。同样的道理，女 族长巢穴的长矛女战士虽然拥有400-500%的生命值和更高的基础伤害，但等级较低，命中 率也较低，因此并不比长矛女战士更胜一筹。 嗜血流派需要考虑怪物的生命值和生命回复，所以他们应该使用乌尔达长矛女战士。除了 血沸流派之外，其他任何流派都应该点满20级血誓，并且召唤一个不死恶魔（即使只是1 级束缚恶魔）。因此，在其他所有情况下（纯召唤师、能量护盾术士、火焰术士等等）， 长矛女战士都是首选。 96层地下城的长矛女战士拥有过剩的生命值和回应能力，甚至比 乌尔达还要强。 所以基本上，96层地下城的基础怪物长矛女战士已经是你能得到的最佳选择。如果其他词 缀效果重复，那她获得这些词缀也无关紧要。你可以给她一个99%伤害减免的石肤，但如 果49%伤害减免的版本即使面对超级怪物也能更快地回复生命值，那又有什麽区别呢？她 可以通过任何冰霜附魔免疫冰霜伤害（所有版本都有50%的基础冰霜抗性），但是，能造 成冰霜伤害的怪物太少，不足以减速她，而且这些怪物通常持续时间很短。 ~~~ ;so you are basically saying a normal monster +my maxed bind demon is pretty ;much as good as finding a champion pack with stuff already on it? that is ;helpful, I have been trying to only farm champions that have affixes already ;thanks for the reply bro What's been unclear is whether normal monsters upgraded to uniques get the 2x health of a unique or not, but that doesn't matter much when its functionally unkillable with astronomical HP/regen. But since monster affixes are mostly irrelevant, yes the normal mobs are just about identical to the unique. The ones that would matter are extra fast & extra strong for the speed / 99% ed, and aura enchanted. You get all those by just having 20 bind demon. The other affixes are either do-nothing or very minor bonuses Mana burn does nothing in pvm, just 20% magic resist but that's totally irrelevant. I have no idea if teleportation even functions, melee monsters don't teleport above 30% hp and so you'd have to blood boil them down, they might heal but eh, it would be an annoyance at best Magic resistant doesn't matter much, unless it gives a cold immunity it can be sometimes helpful. Spectral hit is a tiny upside or downside in that it gives cold damage sometimes, which slows but also shatters corpses. Same issue of resists irrelevant. And your demon already gets spectral hit, so again doesn't matter Multiple shots does nothing because you really really really shouldn't use a ranged mob to begin with, melee mobs don't get it Fire enchanted adds an irrelevant amount of damage and a redundant resist/immunity. Then we have; Cold enchanted is a minor upside if it gives an immunity so cold damage won't slow your demon, same as magic resist. And since it slows on every hit that can be helpful, but because it shatters corpses that can prevent engorge or allied horking. Lightning enchanted is a minor upside because the lightning bolts released when struck will carry over the cursed aoe. This is pretty redundant with a holy damage aura, BUT a build using a cursed + conviction demon could care about it. Stone skin gives the minor upside of %dr and/or immune to physical and extra defense, all of which are pretty irrelevant when your monster is already unkillable. Pretty much only damage that can even reduce monsters is crushing blow from urdars, and %dr / immunity does mitigate that. Basically, none of these matter. Lightning enchanted might be the most relevant in general, just increasing the rate of spreading curse. I haven't tested if the invisible glitchy lightning+cold and/or fire enchanted explosions carry over to demons, but this requires them to be put into hit recovery not just struck, hence could only hit snakes/suicide minions/charge zombies/urdars/lister in PvM or require a hostile warcry barb or whatever to set up with a lengthy stun timer. ;所以你的意思是，一个普通怪物加上我满级的束缚恶魔，效果几乎和找到一个自带词缀的 ;冠军包一样好？这很有帮助，我一直都在尝试只刷自带词缀的冠军， ;谢谢你的回复，兄弟。 (原:) 一直不清楚的是，普通怪物升级成稀有怪物後，是否能获得稀有怪物两倍的生命值，但考 虑到它们拥有天文数字般的生命值/回复速度，几乎无法被杀死，这一点其实无关紧要。 由於怪物词缀大多无关紧要，所以普通怪物和稀有怪物几乎完全相同。 真正重要的词缀是速度超快、攻击力超强（速度/99%增强伤害）以及附魔光环。这些词缀 只需20个束缚恶魔就能获得。其他词缀要么毫无作用，要么增益微乎其微。 法力燃烧在PVM中毫无用处，只提供20%的魔法抗性，但这完全无关紧要。 我不知道传送是否有效，近战怪物生命值低於30%时不会传送，所以你必须用血沸术把它 们的生命值降下来，它们或许会回血，但充其量也只是有点烦人而已。 魔法抗性意义不大，除非它能提供冰冻免疫，否则偶尔会有点用。 幽灵打击的优点或缺点在於它有时会造成冰霜伤害，这会减缓敌人的速度，但也会粉碎屍 体。抗性问题同样无关紧要。而且你的恶魔已经拥有幽灵打击，所以这无关紧要。 多重射击毫无意义，因为你本来就不应该使用远程怪物，近战怪物也不会受到此效果影响 。 火焰附魔增加的伤害微乎其微，而且抗性/免疫效果也显得多余。 接下来是 冰霜附魔，如果它能提供免疫效果，使冰霜伤害不会减缓你的恶魔的速度，那麽它就略有 优势，魔法抗性也是如此。由於它每次攻击都会造成减速效果，这可能很有用，但由於它 会粉碎屍体，因此可能会阻止吞噬或盟友的狂暴。 闪电附魔也略占优势，因为被击中时释放的闪电会延续诅咒的范围效果。这与神圣伤害光 环相当多余，但使用诅咒+信念恶魔的构筑可能会用到它。 石肤术提供少量伤害减免和/或物理免疫以及额外防御，但当你的怪物已经无敌时，这些 优势几乎毫无意义。几乎唯一能削弱怪物的伤害只有乌尔达的压碎性打击，而伤害减免/ 免疫也只能暂时缓解这种效果。 总之，这些都无关紧要。闪电附魔或许是最有用的，因为它能提高诅咒的传播速度。 我还没测试过隐形的闪电+冰霜和/或火焰附魔爆炸效果是否对恶魔有效，但这需要恶魔进 入攻击恢复状态，而不仅仅是被击中，因此在PvM中只能击中蛇/自爆小兵/冲锋殭屍/乌尔 达/利斯特，或者需要敌对的战吼野蛮人或其他职业配合较长的眩晕时间才能触发。 ~~~ ;isn't holy freeze also as good as light enchanted? It is funny...I actually ;got a regular trash mob a5 spearwoman light enchant this morning from tz95 ;cursed zone (I have max bind demon so it got a aura). This is as good as HF ;right? maybe less because technically we value slowing attacks in pvm, but ;honestly still prettty good as holy fire right? We're implying that you're getting cursed + aura enchanted on all these bound demons, and talking about the other mods you could get, like elemental enchanted / stone skin / mana burn / etc Since you can get cursed + aura enchanted from normal mobs in cursed TZ, there's not much benefit to searching for much harder to obtain unique enemies, because the other affixes they could have like lightning enchanted don't do much of the three holy damage auras, holy freeze has the upside of slowing enemies as a defense. But it also has the downside that slowed enemies move into your aoe slower and block other enemies out of range, and holy freeze won't hit act bosses and get the 75% chance to curse them each tick that holy fire/shock have. Holy fire and holy shock have identical uses for spreading curse, but holy fire has slightly larger aoe because its higher level. ;圣冰术不也和附魔光明一样好用吗？真有趣…我今天早上在95层诅咒地带打到了一个普通 ;的A5级长矛女怪，附魔了光明（我的束缚恶魔技能已经满了，所以它有光环）。这和圣火 ;术一样好用吧？或许略逊一筹，因为在PVM中我们更看重减速攻击，但说实话，它仍然和 ;圣火术一样好用，对吧？ 我们指的是你从这些被束缚的恶魔身上获得的诅咒+光环附魔，并且我们还在讨论你可能 获得的其他词缀，例如元素附魔/石肤/法力燃烧等等。 由於你可以在诅咒区域（TZ）的普通怪物身上获得诅咒+光环附魔，因此寻找更难获得的 独特敌人意义不大，因为它们可能拥有的其他词缀（例如闪电附魔） 对三种神圣伤害光环的伤害影响不大。神圣冰冻的优点在於可以减速敌人作为防御手段， 但缺点是被减速的敌人会更慢地进入你的范围攻击，并且会阻挡其他敌人进入攻击范围。 此外，神圣冰冻无法攻击章节首领，也无法像神圣火焰/神圣震击那样，每跳都有75%的几 率诅咒他们。神圣火焰和神圣震击在传播诅咒方面用途相同，但神圣火焰的范围略大，因 为它等级更高。 ※page18 无用冷知识 最无用恶魔 Also going to add a FFF tier with a single entry Frenzied Hell Spawn, only those created by Hell Whips in Arreat Plateau and maybe a few other demon tagged overseers, are indeed bindable. It take some finesse, only really works if you can get them to spawn on the opposite side of a wall from you and pick off anything they'd aggro upon conversion including wall sections/towers and have a way to damage them for a small enough amount because they have only 20-40% of the areas base HP but still have some regen. The difference between this pokemon and a Voltorb is that his Self-Destruct deals about 0 damage and he doesn't just 'faint'... 此外，我还要新增一个 FFF 等级，其中包含一个名为 「狂暴地狱之子」的宝可梦。只有由亚瑞特高原的地狱鞭怪以及其他一些被标记为恶魔的 监督者召唤出来的狂暴地狱之子才能被束缚。这需要一些技巧，只有当你能让它们生成在 你对面的墙後，并消灭它们转化後会攻击的任何目标（包括墙体/塔楼）时，才能真正奏 效。而且，你还需要有办法对它们造成足够小的伤害，因为它们只有区域基础生命值的 20-40%，但仍然有一定的回复能力。这只宝可梦和顽皮弹的区别在於，它的自爆几乎不造 成任何伤害，而且它不会像顽皮弹那样「昏厥」… ~~~ 这页 原PO 还有提到远程射击的攻击薄弱， 之前几页也有提过远程ai有点鸟 这则跟下则主要是探讨魅魔 vs 多重射击 ~~~ also I tested all the ranged mobs in the game by just save editing the same bound demon with multiple shots - there aren't many ranged demons anyway- and indeed can confirm that; all the demons that cast elemental spells (fallen shamans, fetish shamna, balrogs, demon imps) deal negligible damage / their base unscaled skill damage blowdart fetishes also deal negligible damage, apparently using skill damage instead of a1/a2 damage, too bad corrupted archers & succubi are the only two demons classes dealing significant ranged damage. For some reason, succubi are appearing to deal significantly more even though I'm spreading amp damage on targets and that should scale physical damage more (or if its adding phys to the magic, the two should be nearly identical) I'm trying to make sure all 3 missiles connect, maybe there is a nextdelay for arrows that doesn't exist for blood star? That or just their spread might be higher, arrows are faster and no time to penetrate for nextdelay. I could look it up in missiles.txt but that's a pain to navigate Furthermore, I encountered a weird glitch where dark archers failed to cast/attack at all. She did her bow shooting animation and no missiles. No damage dealt, they aren't invisible. Sometimes locked up for 10+ seconds. If I teleport her away and reset she can fire. Either way, its very clearly that succubi are dealing way more damage than dark rangers, and are the only ranged attacker with any kind of reliable damage at all. My guess is just because the blood stars are actually connecting and dark ranger arrows aren't because nextdelay / spread / glitching / smaller missile size Overall this is mediocre damage. Melee attacks with that same +skills swap gear are hitting for 23000+ damage before amp. This succubi is presumably hitting something like ~5000 magic when all 3 blood stars connect But hey that's definitely nice compared to other ranged mobs not even making enemy hp bars move https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGlSCeRdRJA 我还测试了游戏中所有远程怪物，方法是修改同一个被束缚的恶魔的存档，用它进行多次 射击——反正远程恶魔也不多——结果确实如此： 所有会施放元素法术的恶魔（堕落萨满、图腾萨满、炎魔、恶魔小鬼）造成的伤害都微乎 其微，它们的基础技能伤害（未加成）也微乎其微乎其微，它们的基础技能伤害（未加成 ） 也微乎其微。图腾吹箭造成的伤害似乎也微乎其微，显然是使用了技能伤害而不是A1/A2 技能的伤害。可惜的是， 堕落弓箭手和魅魔是仅有的两个能造成显着远程伤害的恶魔职业。 不知为何，魅魔造成的伤害似乎要高得多，即使我对目标施加了增幅伤害，而增幅伤害应 该会更多地提升物理伤害（或者如果它是将物理伤害加到魔法伤害上，那麽两者的伤害应 该几乎相同）。 我正在努力确保所有三枚箭矢都能命中目标，也许箭矢有血星所没有的延迟？也可能是因 为她们的箭矢扩散范围较大，速度较快，没有时间穿透目标（例如，没有延迟生效）。我 可以去missiles.txt档案里查一下，但那档案太难用了。 此外，我还遇到了一个奇怪的bug，黑暗弓箭手完全无法施法/攻击。她做了射箭动画，但 没有发射任何箭矢。没有造成任何伤害，而且箭矢也不是隐形的。有时候会卡住10秒以上 。如果我把她传送走再重置游戏，她就能正常攻击了。 总之，很明显魅魔造成的伤害远高於黑暗游侠，而且是唯一能稳定造成伤害的远程攻击者 。我猜测是因为魅魔的血星箭矢能够命中目标，而黑暗游侠的箭矢由於延迟生效、箭矢扩 散、bug或箭矢体积较小等原因无法命中 。总的来说，魅魔的伤害很一般。使用相同的技能切换装备，近战攻击在增幅前就能造成 23000以上的伤害。这魅魔的三个血星全部命中时，估计能造成约5000点魔法伤害。 不过，跟其他远程怪物连敌人血条都动不了相比，这已经很不错了。 ~~~ This thread needs yet another addendum Turns out the act 5 variant of urdars have only 3 damage regen and lose -25% regen compared to the acts 2-4 versions which all have 4 damage regen. Normal monsters have 1.22%/s, urdars from act 5 have 1.83%/s, urdars from acts 2-4 have 2.44%/s So this creates the tradeoff that act 5 urdars have 200% hp / 75% dr / 160% ar / 3 regen, while acts 2-4 urdars have 230% hp / 55% dr / 110% ar / 4 regen For a blood boil build in particular the extra regen matters more than the hp/dr/ar, and the cold immune variant found in Tal Rasha's Tomb, in P8 TZ96 cursed games, will now be the #1 option imo So my recommendation has changed from frigid highlands urdar (very hard to get, 22% per game) to tal's tomb (much easier, 42% per tomb, 7 tombs per game, 97%+ chance to get one) 这个帖子还需要补充说明 。原来第 5 幕的乌尔达变种只有3 点伤害回复，与第 2-4 幕的版本相比，回复速度降低 了 25%，而第 2-4 幕的版本都有4 点伤害回复。 一般怪物每秒回覆1.22%，第五幕的乌尔达每秒回覆1.83%，第二至第四幕的乌尔达每秒回 覆2.44%。 因此，第五幕的乌尔达拥有200%生命值/75%伤害减免/160%攻击命中/3点生命回复，而第 二至第四幕的乌尔达拥有230%生命值/55%伤害减免/110%攻击命中/4点生命回复。 对於沸血流派来说，额外的生命回复比生命值/伤害减免/攻击命中更重要。在我看来，在 P8 TZ96诅咒游戏中，塔拉夏之墓中出现的冰冷免疫变种乌尔达将是最佳选择。 所以我的推荐已经从冰霜高地的乌尔达（非常难获得，每局22%）改为塔拉夏之墓的乌尔 达（容易得多，每个墓穴42%，每局7个墓穴）。获得它的几率超过97%） ※page19 ;Quote (L8z. @ Mar 15 2026 01:56pm) ;so we should be farming urdars in act2 for BIS tz urder binds? ;do most people just bind rare mobs? I hunt for spearwomen in act5 ancients ;way but can never find a rare mob of them, just plain, so I bind them. well I still think its specifically urdar a2-4 is best for blood boil, spearwoman is best for non-blood boil unless for some reason you're skipping max blood oath you might want a higher hp like heph or furnace of pain venom lord or just vile mothers for extra meat shields. I was explaining just 2 pages back in this thread that there's really not much use for unique mobs, although I haven't tested if the normal mobs upgraded to unique are getting the same 2x base HP so I can't confirm that yet, need to test for sure otherwise all the random affixes you could get are either irrelevant or pretty minor bonuses at best. Extra fast, extra strong, aura enchanted, spectral hit, teleportation all do effectively nothing. Mana burn does +20% magic resist which is irrelevant, fire enchanted gives a pretty irrelevant immunity and negligible damage. Stone skin & magic resistant can give decent defenses or immunities but it doesn't matter much if the demon is functionally immortal, though cold immunity is a minor bonus. Lightning enchanted is the 'best' but still pretty minor- the bolts released when hit will spread curse procs. The champion bonuses are actually more meaningful because they get some serious +% ed / % frw that stacks, but they can't be cursed + aura by any means I know. So too bad. So my current recommendation for blood boil builds would be to find a P8 game with cursed TZ, then go hunt tal rasha's tombs for the cold immune urdars because they have higher regen + cold immune, which is worth more than the %life/ar/dr on act 5 version. Binding plain spearwomen definitely works for the highest dps, but their low regen and low base life does mean they can die on a blood boil build and don't regen life to offset boil usage as much as urdars do ;所以我们应该在第二幕刷乌尔达人来取得毕业装备吗？ ;大多数人都是直接绑定稀有怪吗？我在第五幕远古之路刷女矛兵，但从来没遇过稀有怪， ;只有普通的，所以只能绑定。 我仍然认为，对於血沸副本来说，乌尔达A2-4是最佳选择；而对於非血沸副本，女矛兵则 是最佳选择。除非你出於某种原因跳过了血誓等级上限，否则你可能需要像赫菲斯托斯、 痛苦熔炉、毒液领主或邪恶之母这样生命值更高的怪物来提供额外的肉盾。 我之前在这个帖子里解释过，独特怪物其实没什麽用，虽然我还没测试过普通怪物升级为 独特怪物後是否也能获得同样的2倍基础生命值，所以暂时无法确认。我需要测试一下才 能确定， 否则所有随机词缀要么毫无意义，要么最多只能提供微不足道的加成。 「超快」、「超 强」、「光环附魔」、「幽灵打击」、「传送」这些词缀其实都没什麽用。 「法力燃烧 」提供的20%魔法抗性几乎可以忽略不计，「火焰附魔」提供的免疫效果微乎其微，伤害 也微乎其微。石肤和魔法抗性可以提供不错的防御或免疫，但如果恶魔实际上是不死的， 这些就没什麽意义了，尽管冰霜免疫算是一个小小的加成。闪电附魔是「最佳」选择，但 效果仍然微乎其微——被击中时释放的闪电会扩散诅咒触发效果。 冠军的加成实际上更有意义，因为它们能获得可叠加的强力伤害/快速移动百分比加成， 但据我所知，它们无法同时被诅咒和光环加成。真是可惜。 因此，我目前对血沸流派的建议是，找一个带有诅咒的TZ的P8游戏，然後去塔拉夏之墓猎 杀冰霜免疫的乌尔达，因为它们拥有更高的生命回复和冰霜免疫，这比第五幕版本的生命 /攻击抗性/伤害减免百分比更有价值。 束缚平原女矛兵确实能带来最高的DPS，但她们较低的生命回复和基础生命值意味着她们 在血沸流派中容易死亡，而且不像乌尔达人那样能透过生命回复来抵消血沸的消耗。 ~~~ ;is it possible the game doesn't spawn with udars? how do you know? Each area only spawns with 3 types of mobs out of its possible types. Act 5 areas spawn with 1 ranged mob and then 2 other melee or ranged. Durance has 4 possible, so its a 75% chance to have urdars. But only 22% each for either act 5 area- frigid or acheron- to have urdars. Tals tombs is 7 to choose from, each level of palace / harem has 5. Hence virtually guaranteed to be in at least 1 of the palace cellar or tals tombs ;游戏有可能不生成乌达尔吗？你是怎麽知道的？ 每个区域只会从所有可能的怪物类型中随机产生3种。第五幕区域会生成1个远程怪物，然 後是2个近战或远程怪物。杜兰斯有4种可能的怪物类型，因此有75%的机率出现乌尔达。 但第五幕的两个区域──冰封之地和阿刻戎──出现乌尔达的机率都只有22%。塔尔斯的 陵墓有7种怪物类型可供选择，宫殿/後宫的每一层都有5种。因此，几乎可以肯定你会在 宫殿地窖或塔拉夏陵墓中至少遇到一只乌尔达。 ~~~ ;I had the idea that even bosses are not affected by holy freeze, they would ;get amped. They died so fast that i forgot about that. ;WRONG ;With my cold cursed urdar, that sticks to me, i was teleing near mephisto ;again and again, so i was in range but the urdar couldn't attack him. He ;couldn't get amped. Yep all act bosses and their uber/clone variants have the primeevil tag and are not affected by holy freeze. Not just no slow, no damage, hence no amp. Its a really minor concern for holy freeze applying amp to them since demon attacks can still do it in a few swings, and your warlocks damage should be super overkill on anything less than p8 diablo/baal. It is more of a question whether you actually want holy freeze slowing down monsters or whether you'd rather have them funneling towards you faster. Thats the argument for holy fire. If you felt remotely threatened by pvm damage the slow would be an autoinclude but warlocks are so stupidly tanky maybe you dont need to care ;我之前以为即使是首领也不会受到神圣冰冻的影响，反而会获得强化。他们死得太快，我 ;都忘了这茬了。 ;结果大错特错！ ;我的冰霜诅咒乌尔达（Urdar）会一直跟着我，我反覆传送到墨菲斯托（Mephisto）附近 ;，所以虽然我始终在攻击范围内，但乌尔达却无法攻击他。它没有获得强化。 是的，所有章节首领及其究极/克隆变体都带有「始祖」标签，不受神圣冰冻的影响。不 仅不会减速，也不会受到伤害，因此也不会获得伤害加成。神圣冰冻对它们施加伤害加成 其实并不重要，因为恶魔的攻击几下就能造成伤害，而且术士的伤害对於除了P8迪亚波罗 /巴尔之外的任何怪物来说都应该绰绰有余。 更关键的问题是，你是否真的想要神圣冰冻减速怪物，还是更希望它们更快地向你涌来。 这就是神圣之火的优势。如果你觉得受到PVM伤害的威胁，那麽减速效果是必选的，但术 士的坦度实在太高了，或许你根本不在乎。 ※page20 ;So, after reading through the whole thread, I’m still not entirely sure what ;the best setup for a pure summoner is. From what I’ve understand, you can't ;get the full benefit from Fanaticism because Bind Demon already hits the AS ;and AR caps, but I'm not sure. For me, it seems that when he has fanaticism ;or I press Engorge, he attacks faster. In addition, if we already reach the ;AS cap without Fanaticism, does that mean we don't need to take Engorge to ;level 21 with +skills to reach the 35% AS cap? ;On the other side, it seems Holy Freeze doesn't work well against bosses (but ;yes in pvm). ;So, would you say a Dark Lancer Cursed + Holy Fire is the way to go? Or ;should we stick with Cursed + Fanaticism to boost the damage for both the ;demon and the merc (who’s usually running Pride)? ;Another doubt I have is if Amplify Damage "double dips" with Defilers. ;I mean, for example, if the primary target takes 10k damage and the Defiler ;transfers, lets say 50%, a normal target would receive 5k. But if this second ;target is also cursed, would it then take 10k as well? ;If this is how it works, it's clear that pulse auras are the most ;cost-effective option for scaling damage... From my gameplay it seems like Defiler damage share ignores resistances? As in, immune monsters still seem to take damage from whatever damage type they are immune to is shared to them. My guess would then be that Amp does not double dip. But I have not tested this at all, it's just anecdotal from my gameplay and I could be completely wrong here. ;看完整个文章後，我仍然不太确定纯召唤师的最佳配置是什麽。据我理解，由於「束缚恶 ;魔」已经达到了攻击速度和攻击等级上限，所以无法完全发挥「狂热」的全部效果，但我 ;不太确定。对我来说，似乎当恶魔开启「狂热」或我按下「吞噬」时，他的攻击速度会更 ;快。此外，如果即使没有「狂热」也能达到攻击速度上限，那是不是意味着我们不需要把 ;「吞噬」升到21级并加技能点来达到35%的攻击速度上限？ ;另一方面，「神圣冰冻」似乎对付头目效果不佳（但在PvM中效果不错）。 ;那麽，您认为「黑暗长矛手诅咒+神圣之火」是最佳选择吗？还是应该坚持使用「诅咒+狂 ;热」来同时提升恶魔和佣兵（通常使用「骄傲」）的伤害？ ;我还有一个疑问，就是「伤害增幅」是否会对「亵渎者」造成双重伤害。 ;我的意思是，举个例子，如果主要目标受到10000点伤害，而亵渎者转移了50%的伤害，那 ;麽普通目标会受到5000点伤害。但如果这个第二个目标也被诅咒了，它也会受到10000点 ;伤害吗？ ;如果真是这样，很明显脉冲光环是提升伤害性价比最高的选择… 从我的游戏体验来看，亵渎者的伤害分摊似乎无视於抗性？也就是说，免疫的怪物似乎仍 然会受到分摊到它们身上的伤害。我猜测，如果真是这样，那麽增幅效果应该不会重复生 效。但我并没有对此进行任何测试，这只是我游戏体验中的个人感受，我的猜测可能完全 错误。 ※page22 ;;Quote (Thoroku92 @ Mar 17 2026 02:19pm) ;;This afternoon I did some testing when Durance of Hate became TZ, and from ;;what I could see, a Mauler with Holy Freeze aura attacked slower than a ;;Mauler with Fanaticism, the difference was clearly visible to my eyes... ;; ;;Can anyone else confirm this and that there isn't a cap in AS that forces us ;;to stop using Fanaticism if we're a pure summoner? +% ias is definitely capped at +75%. My current ladder setup is 45 demonic mastery (+49%) and 48 engorge (+35%) so its capped out after every engorge ;Quote (FoldersUnite @ Mar 17 2026 02:33pm) ;Any intel whether binding a tz unique cursed mob vs a regular cursed tz mob ;makes a difference? They have differing hp values I’m guessing (unique dies ;slower as an enemy) Still needs to be tested and its not exactly an easy thing to test. I guess simplest way would be to test normal mode enemies with small HP ranges against fairly constant DPS poison like that act 5 catapult, but its really a pain to get it to fire the catapults. Most monsters have about a 60-100% hp range so its really hard to tell if its getting double hp or not. Blunderbores in act 2 palace cellar might be a good case, they have 102-128 base HP and 0% all resists, their high regen disabled by poison. Normal mode areas tend to have 0-1 uniques so its really hard to find them reliable, but cellar is tiny and same map, only 75% chance of urdars and 0-1 elites and 20% chance to be champion so uh 10% chance to find an elite urdar per map, a few resets and you could find one, but probably 3-5+ games before you do and who knows it might have some annoying affix. And somehow need to deal damage to it without instantly killing it, guess normal attack Again would need to test with a char with 0 blood oath for safest results The poison from hell catapults dealt ~363 damage over 24 seconds in my testing. So if you bound the blunderbore in P4 game it would have 255-320 hp if its not counted as unique, 510-640 hp for unique. Thus dying to a catapult in either 1 hit or surviving with 30%+ hp and regenerating. Note I haven't actually done this test, just explained the setup that would isolate for this question ;;今天下午我测试了一下，当「憎恨之殇」变成「时空裂缝」时，我发现一个装备了「神圣 ;;冰冻」光环的巨魔攻击速度比装备了「狂热」光环的巨魔慢，差别非常明显…… ;; ;;有人能证实这一点吗？还有，纯召唤师的攻击速度没有上限，不会因此就不能使用「狂热 ;;」光环吗？ +%攻速上限肯定是+75%。我目前的天梯配置是45级恶魔精通（+49%）和48级吞噬（+35%） ，所以每次吞噬後攻速都会达到上限。 ;引用（FoldersUnite @ 2026年3月17日下午2:33） ;有没有人知道绑定一个独特的诅咒怪物和绑定一个普通的诅咒怪物会有什麽不同？我猜它 ;们的生命值不同（独特的怪物作为敌人死亡速度较慢）。 这还需要进一步测试，而且测试起来并不容易。我猜最简单的方法是用普通模式下血量范 围小的敌人来测试，例如第五幕的投石车，它需要持续稳定的毒素伤害。但是要让它发射 投石车真的很难。 大多数怪物的血量范围在60%到100%之间，所以很难判断它是否受到了双倍伤害。第二幕 宫殿地窖里的火镫或许是个不错的例子，它们的基础生命值在102到128之间，所有抗性为 0%，而且它们的高回复能力会被毒素抑制。普通模式区域通常只有0-1个独特怪物，所以 很难稳定地找到它们。地窖地图很小，而且和普通模式一样，只有75%的几率出现乌尔达 ，0-1个精英怪物，以及20%的几率出现冠军级怪物。也就是说，每张地图只有10%的几率 找到精英乌尔达。重置几次或许能找到一个，但可能要玩3-5局甚至更多才能找到，而且 谁知道它是不是带有什麽烦人的词缀。你还需要想办法对它造成伤害，但又不能直接秒杀 牠，我猜普通攻击 应该可以。为了确保结果的可靠性，我需要用一个没有血誓的角色来测试。 在我的测试中，地狱毒液投石车在24秒内造成了大约363点伤害。所以，如果你在P4模式 下绑定了火锕，它的生命值在255-320之间（如果它不是独特怪物的话），如果是独特怪 物的话，生命值在510-640之间。因此，要么被投石车一击毙命，要么存活下来并保留 30% 以上的生命值并进行生命恢复。 请注意，我并没有实际进行这项测试，只是解释了可以隔离此问题的设定。 --

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