※ 引述《iambeetle (beetle)》之铭言： : ※ 引述《erthe (左拥北一 右抱中山)》之铭言： : : 不知道外国人对台湾 中国的看法如何 : 先说好了。。。我是中国人，就是“大陆人”，家乡是在广东。。。 : 但是已经到Canada三年多了。。。 : 我同意说中国政府一直有对中国人民洗脑说台湾是中国的一部分， : 而且很大部分中国人也认为台湾“回归”是早晚的事情。。。 : 我觉得这个真的很难说清楚，不是吗。。？ Are you going to talk about the history or the future? It is not very difficult to clarify it. In the past, for most of the time, Taiwan has been independently existant in the world. There were Dutch, Koxinga, Chin, Japanese and Chiang ever controlling Taiwan. However, only the last two can fully control most of Taiwan. (Remember, 2/3 of Taiwan is mountains. The first reliable sea level determination was by Japanese.) Chinese did build something in Taiwan, such as railway; however, at the same time, they were removing railway off from their country. Everybody knows Taiwan was ceded to Japan in 1895. I don't like Chinese always arguing for price or bargain; I don't like Chinese always leaving rubbish everywhere; If you Chinese do want to buy something, pay for it or go away. If you Chinese do decide to give up something, don't go to ask it back someday. Else, don't give up then. What do you think we Taiwanese are? : 因为历史这东西，本来就很有偏见， : 两个政府都尽量把历史修改到有利於自己的一边， : 所以我个人是完全不相信历史。。。 Yes, the history has been interpreted very differently.. It is not difficult to clarify, else they won't be able to do any interpreting. If you are talking about 'believe' or 'not believe', then we are at different level. I would talk about 'consideration', 'evidences' and 'research'. I may still believe or not believe something, but would think of the reasons. : 对於台湾和中国到底是甚麽关系，我也是中立。 : 完全没有偏任何一边，我觉得只要两边不要争，不要有矛盾，只要结果是好的就好了。 : 我在vancouver有很多台湾朋友，除非是我最亲的朋友，我都很少跟他们谈到政治问题， : 因为这些东西，既然已经被洗脑了，那就不是一下子可以说服的。。。 : 我唯一觉得不爽的是美国一直在两岸关系里面乱弄，所以可以在里面赚到钱。。。 : 我倒是觉得这样太小人了。。。 I suggest you just go away and talk to your president then. If he agrees to give up to invade Taiwan or any attacks, we will not have to buy any weapons from the US. Mr Chinese, we are quite happily living here. If there is any difficulty, that is basically by you, or your government. : 但是有一点我想说啦， : 我记得我以前的教科书，都以“同胞”称做台湾是没有错， : 我觉得这算是善意吧。。。 No. If I ask a question: Do you call 'my dearest' to every girl? Then, do you think they will feel you are friendly if you do that? Get your brain geared up, please, Mr Chinese. : 但是有时候我上PTT看到很多取笑大陆人的东西。。。 : 心里面是有点不舒服，因为感觉有些人好像有点讨厌大陆人。。。 : 而且里面取笑的都很多是stereotype，我看了都觉得很无里头。。。 : 我心里面是希望这都是小部分人吧。。。。 : 因为我的台湾朋友们都对我好好，而且他们都会说，“你感觉不像大陆人耶” : 我觉得这可能是台湾人对大陆人也不怎麽了解吧。。。 : 要是真能象交朋友一样了解对方的话，其实差异，也不会很多。 : 如果是错，都是政府的错，普通百姓是无辜的吧。。。 If you are governed by foreigner, such as japanese or whatever, I will accept this excuse. Unfortunately, you are governed by Chinese government, which is even called 'People's Government'. Which government else is 'more of people' than yours? You got many political parties meeting every year or every day in so grand hall, and never heard they are arguing for anything. Everything agreed 99%. How can we believe that everything is due to the government but not the people. By the way, if you can take off the 'People' on the title, and go to argue or protesst in your parliament, I will believe what you said. OK? I am not laughing at you. Democracy is a very good status, but you can not get it for free. Do something for your own country, for your neighbour's sakes. --

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