作者icehhh (ssssss)
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标题Re: [讨论] 在中国为何争取民主自由是颠覆国家的行为
时间Fri Jul 14 12:35:51 2017
民主就像大便一样
有人认为蹲着大便才正确
有人认为坐着大便才正确
各有各的理由
本无可厚非﹐怕的就是有好事者一定要做出一个规范﹐定立一个普世标准﹐并且到处输出
结果输出来输出去﹐弄得原本好好拉屎的人都不会拉了
有的还差点憋死﹐没憋死也去了半条命
所以﹐很多人为了身体安全﹐制定了“拒绝输入”自我保护条令
违令者﹐当然是判了。
下面来参观一下某价值输出国自己的自我保护条令XD
那可是相当得详尽
18 USC 2385: Advocating overthrow of Government
Text contains those laws in effect on July 12, 2017
§2385. Advocating overthrow of Government
Whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets, advises, or teaches the duty,
necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying the govern-
ment of the United States or the government of any State, Territory, District
or Possession thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein,
by force or violence, or by the assassination of any officer of any such
government; or
Whoever, with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of any such govern-
ment, prints, publishes, edits, issues, circulates, sells, distributes, or
publicly displays any written or printed matter advocating, advising, or
teaching the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or
destroying any government in the United States by force or violence, or
attempts to do so; or
Whoever organizes or helps or attempts to organize any society, group, or
assembly of persons who teach, advocate, or encourage the overthrow or
destruction of any such government by force or violence; or becomes or is a
member of, or affiliates with, any such society, group, or assembly of persons,
knowing the purposes thereof-
Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or
both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any
department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.
If two or more persons conspire to commit any offense named in this section,
each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years,
or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any
department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.
As used in this section, the terms "organizes" and "organize", with respect to
any society, group, or assembly of persons, include the recruiting of new
members, the forming of new units, and the regrouping or expansion of existing
clubs, classes, and other units of such society, group, or assembly of persons.
※ 引述《mstory (m的故事)》之铭言:
: 刚看新闻
: 说刘晓波因为在中国争取民主自由
: 所以被判颠覆国家罪
: 真是奇怪
: 中国不是民主国家吗?
: 为何在民主国家争取民主自由会是颠覆国家的行为呢?
: 民主国家会被民主自由颠覆
: 这是什麽样的概念呢?
: 谁能讲一下呢???
: 完全不能懂中国人的思维逻辑
: 既自称民主,又不准民主自由存在
: 真是奇怪
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1F:嘘 DarkHolbach: 好笑,刘晓波就写了中国宪法就有的东 36.227.221.151 07/14 15:16
2F:→ DarkHolbach: 西就被判十一年,果然中国宪法就是狗 36.227.221.151 07/14 15:16
3F:→ DarkHolbach: 屎 36.227.221.151 07/14 15:16
4F:嘘 Luke2000: 刘晓波是你们中国人的同胞。当中国人对 122.121.81.151 07/14 15:31
5F:→ Luke2000: 自己的同胞受害一事冷漠以对时,不妨想 122.121.81.151 07/14 15:32
6F:→ Luke2000: 想为什麽你们称呼台湾人为同胞时,台湾 122.121.81.151 07/14 15:33
7F:→ Luke2000: 人汗毛直竖、惊骇莫名。 122.121.81.151 07/14 15:33
8F:→ Luke2000: 更别说刘晓波还是因为帮你们争权益而被 122.121.81.151 07/14 15:35
9F:→ Luke2000: 害。 122.121.81.151 07/14 15:35
10F:→ icehhh: 写什麽东西不触犯法律就好﹐既然触犯了中 221.220.224.21 07/14 17:02
11F:→ icehhh: 国的法律﹐按中国的法律判刑有何不可﹖ 221.220.224.21 07/14 17:03
12F:→ icehhh: 不要说中国的法律﹐就按上面引的标尺法律 221.220.224.21 07/14 17:04
13F:→ icehhh: 其行为也是尽合的﹐不要说政治迫害﹐任何 221.220.224.21 07/14 17:05
14F:→ icehhh: 国家都一样。至於说同胞﹐个人理解不同﹐ 221.220.224.21 07/14 17:07
15F:→ icehhh: 台独人士也是同胞﹐不可以冷漠﹖ 221.220.224.21 07/14 17:09
16F:→ icehhh: 不知台湾人对林毅夫这位同胞是何感想 221.220.224.21 07/14 17:11
17F:嘘 rockocean: 先问问在古宁头战役中被俘共军 送回中210.242.252.248 07/14 17:15
18F:→ rockocean: 国之後的待遇如何?210.242.252.248 07/14 17:15
19F:→ icehhh: 是不是接下来又要开题扯文革﹐六四﹖ 221.220.224.21 07/14 17:25
20F:嘘 DarkHolbach: 言论自由都是中国宪法的东西喔 36.227.221.151 07/14 18:07
21F:→ DarkHolbach: 喔对了,你是不是分不清rule by law 36.227.221.151 07/14 18:10
22F:→ DarkHolbach: 跟rule of law啊 36.227.221.151 07/14 18:10
23F:→ DarkHolbach: 还有,拜托中国人先做到美国程度再来 36.227.221.151 07/14 18:12
24F:→ DarkHolbach: 跟人家比烂好吗 36.227.221.151 07/14 18:12
25F:→ icehhh: 美国也标榜言论自由啊,麻烦把上面的法条 36.102.227.36 07/14 22:10
26F:→ icehhh: 作废作废好不好 36.102.227.36 07/14 22:12
27F:→ icehhh: 还有,中国人想做什么做什么,用不着看什 36.102.227.36 07/14 22:18
28F:→ icehhh: 么人脸色。 36.102.227.36 07/14 22:19
29F:嘘 DarkHolbach: 拿美国煽动颠覆国家罪来说嘴很明显搞 36.227.221.151 07/15 08:14
30F:→ DarkHolbach: 不清楚状况,人家只罚宣传暴力的,像 36.227.221.151 07/15 08:14
31F:→ DarkHolbach: 刘晓波这种是不会被罚的 36.227.221.151 07/15 08:14
32F:→ icehhh: 麻烦把法律条文作废,不作废说明不了任何 36.102.227.36 07/15 14:31
33F:→ icehhh: 问题,难道美国也是传说中的人治国家? 36.102.227.36 07/15 14:32
34F:嘘 DarkHolbach: 人家是只管暴力言论,哪像你中国管那 36.227.221.151 07/15 15:13
35F:→ DarkHolbach: 麽宽,你还没跳针完喔 36.227.221.151 07/15 15:13
36F:→ DarkHolbach: 为什麽要作废?还有并不是有管制就叫 36.227.221.151 07/15 15:15
37F:→ DarkHolbach: 人治,看来你连法治是啥都不懂 36.227.221.151 07/15 15:15
38F:→ DarkHolbach: 要比烂之前,可不可以先做到别人的程 36.227.221.151 07/15 15:17
39F:→ DarkHolbach: 度再来比 36.227.221.151 07/15 15:17
40F:→ DarkHolbach: 言论自由当然不包含暴力,不然黑道恐 36.227.221.151 07/15 15:18
41F:→ DarkHolbach: 吓也是言论自由了 36.227.221.151 07/15 15:18
42F:→ icehhh: 请逐行看完上面的引文可好? 36.102.227.36 07/15 15:30
43F:→ icehhh: 哪一句说只管暴力言论了?不是这样贴金的 36.102.227.36 07/15 15:32
44F:嘘 DarkHolbach: 实务上就是这样啊,连3k党煽动性言论 36.227.221.151 07/15 15:34
45F:→ DarkHolbach: 都无罪了 36.227.221.151 07/15 15:34
46F:→ DarkHolbach: 在美国,刘晓波绝对不会死在监狱 36.227.221.151 07/15 15:35
47F:嘘 DarkHolbach: 美国高院限制很多的,那条法实务上适 36.227.221.151 07/15 15:41
48F:→ DarkHolbach: 用范围不宽 36.227.221.151 07/15 15:41
49F:→ icehhh: 条文的存在是事实吧?那就不要五十步笑百 36.102.227.36 07/15 18:04
50F:→ icehhh: 步,只要一天不废除那违反者就是犯罪。 36.102.227.36 07/15 18:06
51F:→ icehhh: 至于实务,美国有美国的实务,中国有中国 36.102.227.36 07/15 18:07
52F:→ icehhh: 的实务,有法不依是美国的事,违法必究也 36.102.227.36 07/15 18:07
53F:→ icehhh: 是中国的事,所以也就不要再拿什么人治法 36.102.227.36 07/15 18:08
54F:→ icehhh: 制说事 36.102.227.36 07/15 18:10
55F:嘘 DarkHolbach: 照原本的条文还是比中国好很多好吗 36.227.221.151 07/15 19:22
56F:→ DarkHolbach: 这不是五十步笑百步,这是生与死的 36.227.221.151 07/15 19:22
57F:→ DarkHolbach: 差别 36.227.221.151 07/15 19:22
58F:→ DarkHolbach: 而且人家的法律是尊重判例的 36.227.221.151 07/15 19:23
59F:→ DarkHolbach: 有些解释是会随着时代改变或严格限制 36.227.221.151 07/15 19:25