本文一如既往的谢绝三尺的参与 ------------------------------ 对於摩门教一神论的质疑 在批判他人面前，首先必须：1）先搞清楚自己讲的是什麽；2）再搞清楚别人说的是什麽 ；3）最後，做出比较/肯定/批判，让大家看到两者间的不同。这是批判他人观点的基本 方法和态度，相信M长老肯定是认同，并且也是身体力行的。 但是，当自己认为自己已经做到了这三点，但是对方还是认为：你没有回答到重点，的时 候，就有几个可能性：1）自己搞不清楚自己在讲什麽，所以讲的不清不楚；2）别人阅读 能力有问题，读不懂你讲的是什麽意思。（当然，由於M长老和在下都是正人君子，所以 在此排除M和在下故意装呆骗人的可能性。）如果出现上述两种情况，讲述者必须思考自 己论述的方法和内容：1）是否提供足够/正确的信息帮助读者理解自己要表达的意思；2 ）自己的表述方式是否让人家看不懂？如果同样的情况不断的出现——如N个人都跟批判 者说：『老大！看不懂你在讲什麽！/你根本什麽都没讲！』，那麽这肯定是批判者自己 本身的问题，不能把责任推卸个读者，再很阿Q的宣告自己胜利，别人都是白痴。相信M长 老也会认可这种方法/态度的。 在这个基础上，在下在此：1）为了充分了解摩门教对於基督教方面教义具有充分的理解 ；2）为了解摩门教的具体教义；3）为了体现M长老对於基督教和摩门教的神学都有深入 的研究和了解後，才批判基督教的错误，特别提出以下的问题，请M长老：1）不要转贴不 是自己写的文章，2）要用自己的话回答以下的问题： 1- 『位』这个词源自於希腊文圣经，是个希腊文的词汇。请问M长老：这个词的希腊文原 文是什麽意思？神学的意思为何？英文相应的翻译为何？摩门教方面对这个字的定义为何 ？ 2- 『体』这个词源自於希腊文圣经，是个希腊文的词汇。请问M长老：这个词的希腊文原 文是什麽意思？神学的意思为何？英文相应的翻译为何？摩门教方面对这个字的定义为何 ？ 3- 请问基督教的『三位一体』具体的内容是什麽？ 4- 请问摩门教的『三位三体』具体的内容是什麽？ 5- 请问，当摩门教认为『三位』具有『三体』的时候，是否认为这『三体』是不同的？ 疑惑是相同的？如果相同，如何相同法？如果不同，如何不同法？ 6- 请问，摩门教是否相信『一位真神』？还是『三位不同的神』？ 7- 请问，摩门教所谓『神组』的英文相对翻译为何？而相应的希腊文和希伯来文为何？ 8- 我引用的一段材料说到： Many such declarations then appear throughout the Book of Mormon. In Nephi's foundational sermon on the "doctrine of Christ," the sermon in which Nephi recorded the distinct utterances of the Father and the Son regarding Christ's baptism, he concluded with this declaration about the necessity of remaining "steadfast in Christ": "And now, behold, my beloved brethren, this is the way; and there is none other way nor name given under heaven whereby man can be saved in the kingdom of God. And now, behold, this is the doctrine of Christ, and the only and true doctrine of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, which is one God, without end. Amen." 摩门经中的Nephi对於基督论有一段话，就是正上方这段。能否麻烦您把这段翻译给大家 看看，特别要请您解释：『the only and true doctrine of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, which is one God, without end.』是什麽意思。 9- 提出一个【您逃避的】 旧问题： 作者mediashow008 (大卫) 看板Christianity 标题Re: [问题] 摩门教与神化 时间Thu Aug 4 13:34:45 2016 ：https://www.lds.org/topics/becoming-like-god?lang=eng : Becoming Like God : ===================== : One of the most common images in Western and Eastern religions alike is of : God as a parent and of human beings as God’s children. Billions pray to God : as their parent, invoke the brotherhood and sisterhood of all people to : promote peace, and reach out to the weary and troubled out of deep conviction : that each of God’s children has great worth. : But people of different faiths understand the parent-child relationship : between God and humans in significantly different ways. Some understand the : phrase “child of God” as an honorary title reserved only for those who : believe in God and accept His guidance as they might accept a father’s. Many : see parent-child descriptions of God’s relationship to humanity as metaphors : to express His love for His creations and their dependence on His sustenance : and protection. : Latter-day Saints see all people as children of God in a full and complete : sense; they consider every person divine in origin, nature, and potential. : Each has an eternal core and is “a beloved spirit son or daughter of : heavenly parents.”1 Each possesses seeds of divinity and must choose whether : to live in harmony or tension with that divinity. Through the Atonement of : Jesus Christ, all people may “progress toward perfection and ultimately : realize their divine destiny.”2 Just as a child can develop the attributes : of his or her parents over time, the divine nature that humans inherit can be : developed to become like their Heavenly Father's. : The desire to nurture the divinity in His children is one of God’s : attributes that most inspires, motivates, and humbles members of the Church. : God’s loving parentage and guidance can help each willing, obedient child of : God receive of His fulness and of His glory. This knowledge transforms the : way Latter-day Saints see their fellow human beings. The teaching that men : and women have the potential to be exalted to a state of godliness clearly : expands beyond what is understood by most contemporary Christian churches and : expresses for the Latter-day Saints a yearning rooted in the Bible to live as : God lives, to love as He loves, and to prepare for all that our loving Father : in Heaven wishes for His children. 摩门教的官方网站有一篇文章： https://www.lds.org/topics/becoming-like-god?lang=eng Latter-day Saint beliefs would have sounded more familiar to the earliest generations of Christians than they do to many modern Christians. Many church fathers (influential theologians and teachers in early Christianity) spoke approvingly of the idea that humans can become divine. One modern scholar refers to the “ubiquity of the doctrine of deification”—the teaching that humans could become God—in the first centuries after Christ’s death.11 The church father Irenaeus, who died about A.D. 202, asserted that Jesus Christ “ did, through His transcendent love, become what we are, that He might bring us to be what He is Himself.”12 Clement of Alexandria (ca. A.D. 150–215) wrote that “the Word of God became man, that thou mayest learn from man how man may become God.”13 Basil the Great (A.D. 330–379) also celebrated this prospect—not just “being made like to God,” but “highest of all, the being made God.”14 这里说到，摩门教承认【神化】教义， In 1832, Joseph Smith and Sidney Rigdon experienced a vision of the afterlife. In the vision, they learned that the just and unjust alike would receive immortality through a universal resurrection, but only those “who overcome by faith, and are sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise” would receive the fulness of God’s glory and be “gods, even the sons of God.”28 Another revelation soon confirmed that “the saints shall be filled with his glory, and receive their inheritance and be made equal with him.”29 Latter-day Saints use the term exaltation to describe the glorious reward of receiving one’s full inheritance as a child of Heavenly Father, which is available through the Atonement of Christ, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the gospel.30 这段话说，史密斯先生也得到【神化】的异象，摩门教用exaltation/高升代替之。也就 是说，摩门教事实上也教导【神化/Theosis】教义。 在此，我想请教：摩门教具体的【神化】教义内涵为何？当摩门教认为信徒能够【像神 (like God)】的同时，什麽地方【与神一样】？什麽地方【与神‘不’一样】？【成为神 的人（deified)】是否也会成为【神组】的一部分？而让【三位三体】变成【n位n体】？ ======================================= 这次长老主动【叫阵】，希望长老能够【诚实+详细】的解释在下的疑惑，让大家更认识 摩门教的教义，【澄清】误解！阿门！ --

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