作者: df31 (DF-31) 看板: Christianity 标题: [讨论] 摩门教的『一神论』教义 时间: Mon Oct 1 18:50:42 2018 本文一如既往的谢绝三尺莅临指教 ------------------------------- 作者 df31 (DF-31) 看板 Christianity 标题 Re: [心得] 三位三体父子圣灵 时间 Sun Sep 30 16:53:13 2018 → mediashow008: 三位三体就是教义 我们的天父差遣祂爱子来世上赎罪 10/01 01:28 → mediashow008: 牺牲，并赐下圣灵引领我们与祂合一 10/01 01:28 作者 mediashow008 (大卫) 看板 Christianity 标题 Re: [心得] 三位三体父子圣灵 时间 Mon Oct 1 00:52:09 2018 重点不是摩尔门经呀，摩尔门经提供的是一项证据，证据约瑟斯密看见耶稣与耶稣的父亲 ，间接证实了基督教三位一体教义是错的，这样大胆的信息冲击每一个内心渴望真理的人 重新思考他接受的信仰的真实性。因为圣经从没有提供一项资讯三位是「一体」没有。 如果没有「三位一体」的神格。为什麽你们的教会要你崇拜「这样的神」？ 以上是M长老的一些言论。根据M长老，摩门教应该是典型的『三神论』。 在jd大的启迪下，区区不才在网络上找到一篇文章。摘录相关的段落： Unity of the Godhead Having stressed the distinctiveness of the members of the Godhead and affirmed the fundamental and essential doctrine behind it, we can now note a clear and consistent theme running through the Book of Mormon that indicates important ways in which the Father and the Son are united for their common purposes and virtually synonymous in their interchangeable roles and functions. Indeed, their unity is the primary fact of their relationship; their distinctiveness seems to exist only in their corporeal separateness. This unity between the Father and the Son catches the eye of the reader even before entering the Book of Mormon text. The title page of the Book of Mormon describes one of the purposes of this scripture as "the convincing of the Jew and Gentile that Jesus is the Christ, the Eternal God." Following that, Oliver Cowdery, David Whitmer, and Martin Harris, the three latter-day witnesses of the coming forth of the Book of Mormon, conclude their marvelous testimony with this conspicuous phrase: "And the honor be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Ghost, which is one God. Amen." Many such declarations then appear throughout the Book of Mormon. In Nephi's foundational sermon on the "doctrine of Christ," the sermon in which Nephi recorded the distinct utterances of the Father and the Son regarding Christ's baptism, he concluded with this declaration about the necessity of remaining "steadfast in Christ": "And now, behold, my beloved brethren, this is the way; and there is none other way nor name given under heaven whereby man can be saved in the kingdom of God. And now, behold, this is the doctrine of Christ, and the only and true doctrine of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, which is one God, without end. Amen." fn When Amulek testified to Zeezrom about the nature and role of Christ— including Christ's physical distinction from the Father—he concluded with this bold assertion about the universality of the Resurrection: "[All] shall be brought and be arraigned before the bar of Christ the Son, and God the Father, and the Holy Spirit, which is one Eternal God, to be judged according to their works, whether they be good or whether they be evil." fn In his introductory message to the Nephites upon his appearance in the New World, the Savior made an urgent appeal for unity among the members, particularly regarding the doctrine of baptism. To emphasize this need he noted the unity of the Godhood: "After this manner shall ye baptize in my name; for behold, verily I say unto you, that the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Ghost are one; and I am in the Father, and the Father in me, and the Father and I are one. . . . The Father, and I, and the Holy Ghost are one." fn For one final example we note Mormon's last words, in which he gave this testimony of the Savior to any who will hear his voice: "Know ye that ye must come to the knowledge of your fathers, and repent of all your sins and iniquities, and believe in Jesus Christ, that he is the Son of God, and that he was slain by the Jews, and by the power of the Father he hath risen again, whereby he hath gained the victory over the grave; and also in him is the sting of death swallowed up. "And he bringeth to pass the resurrection of the dead, whereby man must be raised to stand before his judgment-seat. "And he hath brought to pass the redemption of the world, whereby he that is found guiltless before him at the judgment day hath it given unto him to dwell in the presence of God in his kingdom, to sing ceaseless praises with the choirs above, unto the Father, and unto the Son, and unto the Holy Ghost, which are one God, in a state of happiness which hath no end." fn The doctrine of Christ with roles as a Father as well as as a Son was the source of some confusion and contention in Book of Mormon times. One of the most skillful and cunning of adversaries in the Book of Mormon (until his conversion) was Zeezrom. He used the complexity of this doctrine to try to trap new missionary Amulek. With a skillful line of reasoning indicative of his training in the law, Zeezrom asked a series of questions leading to his ultimate question and potentially troublesome snare: "Is the Son of God the very Eternal Father?" fn Amulek, fearless and forthright in his answer, responded with a boldness worthy of his interrogator: "Yea, he is the very Eternal Father of heaven and of earth, and all things which in them are; he is the beginning and the end, the first and the last; "And he shall come into the world to redeem his people; and he shall take upon him the transgressions of those who believe on his name; and these are they that shall have eternal life, and salvation cometh to none else." fn This relationship among members of the Godhead deserves some brief consideration. ============================ 这段话摘录了大量摩门教方面承认父、子和圣灵是『一位神』的论述。 在此，我只有2个简单的问题请教M长老： 1- 这些是否都是『摩门教的正式文字记录』？ 2- 基督教所谓『一体』是什麽意义？ 摩门教在台有不少美籍传教士，如果M大看不懂英文，可以找他们帮忙翻译。:P --

※ 发信站: 批踢踢实业坊(ptt.cc), 来自: 180.217.173.211 ※ 文章网址: https://webptt.com/cn.aspx?n=bbs/Christianity/M.1538391045.A.4BC.html 因为他们不知道自己在讲什麽！ 哦？！是这样啊，那麽请教两个简单的问题： 1- 【One God】的中文翻译是什麽？ 2- 【神组】的英文翻译是什麽？ 最後，您还没回答我前面的两个问题。不会看不懂中文吧？ ※ 编辑: df31 (1.200.201.155), 10/01/2018 21:42:52 那麽，你的意思是父>子喽？那麽请问，是怎麽个大法？性质，权能，荣耀，尊贵，地位？ ※ 编辑: df31 (1.200.201.155), 10/01/2018 22:15:38 呵呵，几个基本问题都搞不清楚，怎麽战？建议，别玩了。 ※ 编辑: df31 (1.200.201.155), 10/01/2018 23:30:21 还要继续玩下去？：O 如果要继续玩，讲一声。不然，就闭嘴喽！ ※ 编辑: df31 (1.200.201.155), 10/02/2018 10:34:43