Neo, 很多这类文章啊！ Here's The Point: Calvinists and Non-Calvinists in the SBC https://founders.org/2016/05/03/heres-the-point-calvinists-and-non-calvinists-in-the-sbc/ How Calvinism Is Dividing The Southern Baptist Convention https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/06/how-calvinism-is-dividing-the-southern-baptist-convention_n_3399504.html Are Southern Baptist Calvinists Just Misunderstood? https://www.christianpost.com/news/southern-baptist-calvinist-misunderstood-richard-land-172140/ （刚好跟您说的相反馁！） Southern Baptists, Arminians, and Calvinists http://baptist21.com/blog-posts/2016/southern-baptists-arminians-calvinists/ Will Calvinism Split The Southern Baptist Convention? http://sbctoday.wpengine.com/will-calvinism-split-the-southern-baptist-convention/ ‘Non-Calvinist’ Southern Baptists issue statement of beliefs – by Staff http://theaquilareport.com/non-calvinist-southern-baptists-issue-statement-of-beliefs-by-staff/ While Calvinists have been present in Southern Baptist life from its earliest days and have made very important contributions to our history and theology, 【the majority of Southern Baptists do not embrace Calvinism. Even the minority of Southern Baptists who have identified themselves as Calvinists generally modify its teachings in order to mitigate certain unacceptable conclusions 】 (e.g., anti-missionism, hyper-Calvinism, double predestination, limited atonement, etc.). The very fact that there is a plurality of views on Calvinism designed to deal with these weaknesses (variously described as “ 3-point,” “4-point,” “moderate,” etc.) would seem to call for circumspection and humility with respect to the system and to those who disagree with it. For the most part, Southern Baptists have been glad to relegate disagreements over Calvinism to secondary status along with other important but “non-essential” theological matters. The Southern Baptist majority has fellowshipped happily with its Calvinist brethren while kindly resisting Calvinism itself. And, to their credit, most Southern Baptist Calvinists have not demanded the adoption of their view as the standard. We would be fine if this consensus continued, but some New Calvinists seem to be pushing for a radical alteration of this long-standing arrangement. 推 neohippie: 美南现在迦尔文是大宗，几乎没有人自称是阿民念的 11/14 22:38 → neohippie: 有阿民念顷向的应该会离开美南吧 11/14 22:39 → neohippie: 以前Billy Grahm影响力很强的时代比较顷阿民念 11/14 22:43 → neohippie: 这个世代的领导者，Mohler、Moore、Piper 都是 11/14 22:44 → neohippie: 顷向迦尔文 11/14 22:44 推 neohippie: https://goo.gl/8k4QcZ (美国的新迦尔文主义近代发展) 11/14 22:50 这里有一篇The Calvinism Advisory Committee所撰写的《TRUTH, TRUST, and TESTIMONY in a TIME of TENSION》。SBC Convention建议大家看的。 http://www.sbclife.net/Articles/2013/06/sla5 【We must stand together in rejecting any form of hyper-Calvinism that denies the mandate to present the offer of the Gospel to all sinners or that denies the necessity of a human response to the Gospel that involves the human will. 】 Similarly, we must reject any form of Arminianism that elevates the human will above the divine will or that denies that those who come to faith in Christ are kept by the power of God. How do we know that these positions are to be excluded from our midst? Each includes beliefs that directly deny what The Baptist Faith and Message expressly affirms. 这里讲的很清楚，SBC要全力抵制极端加尔文主义（Hyper-Calvinism），而 John Piper是Hyper-Calvinism的主要代表人物。照您的讲法，SBC现在整个 倒向了Hyper-Calvinism？但是，事实并不是这样啊！是不是您的信息来源 有误？ --

※ 发信站: 批踢踢实业坊(ptt.cc), 来自: 101.9.250.119 ※ 文章网址: https://webptt.com/cn.aspx?n=bbs/Christianity/M.1510670189.A.B2B.html ※ 编辑: df31 (101.9.250.119), 11/14/2017 22:42:34 ※ 编辑: df31 (101.9.250.119), 11/14/2017 23:03:44 https://www.challies.com/articles/hyper-calvinism-a-brief-definition/ Hyper-Calvinism: A Brief Definition 【While most Calvinists hold to the five points of Calvinism as summarized by the acronym TULIP, there are some who refer to themselves as six or seven-point Calvinists. One person who is known to identify himself as a seven-point Calvinist is John Piper.】 He does so half-jokingly but does so to communicate a truth that the five points of Calvinism are not exhaustive in a consideration of God’s sovereign saving grace. The Desiring God web site says, “Piper isn’t seeking to add two more points, but is simply calling attention to his belief in the traditional five points (total depravity, unconditional election, limited atonement, irresistible grace, and perseverance of the saints) in a way that also points toward two additional ‘ Calvinistic’ truths that follow from them: double predestination and the best-of-all-possible worlds.” Double predestination is widely considered the sixth-point. It is simply the other side to predestination, that just as God sovereignly chooses those whom He will save, in the same way he chooses those whom He will not save. There are some Calvinists who reject this idea, saying that God chooses His elect while everyone else makes their own choice to be condemned. A six-point Calvinist though, believes that God chooses some for salvation and some for perdition and that He does so not on the basis that some people are better or worse than others, but simply through His sovereign choice. The seventh-point of Calvinism, at least according to John Piper (and I’m uncertain whether others regard this as the seventh point) is the best-of-all-possible worlds, which “means that God governs the course of history so that, in the long run, His glory will be more fully displayed and His people more fully satisfied than would have been the case in any other world.” Yet even someone who is willing to extend Calvinism beyond the five points is not “hyper.” A seven-point Calvinist is not a hyper-Calvinist. 卫敏斯特和老唐这条线是5点的，都已经让人受不了。John Piper更厉害，『7点 加尔文主义（7-Point Calvinism）』。而Hyper1-Calvinism在北美强硬到，连 5点加尔文主义都受不了。 所以，neo提到他，有点让我惊讶。 再补充： A hyper-Calvinist is one who: 1- Denies that the gospel call applies to all who hear, OR 2- Denies that faith is the duty of every sinner, OR 3- Denies that the gospel makes any “offer” of Christ, salvation, or mercy to the non-elect (or denies that the offer of divine mercy is free and universal), OR 4- Denies that there is such a thing as “common grace,” OR 5- Denies that God has any sort of love for the non-elect. 这五点在neo身上都看不到。。。。。。 ※ 编辑: df31 (101.9.250.119), 11/14/2017 23:20:22 ※ 编辑: df31 (101.9.250.119), 11/14/2017 23:22:20 http://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2016/june/southern-baptists-pick-president-steve-gaines-j-d-greear.html Evenly Split, Southern Baptists Pick President after Candidate Quits J. D. Greear withdraws from unusually tight SBC election, making Steve Gaines the next leader. SARAH EEKHOFF ZYLSTRA JUNE 15, 2016 11:26 AM A 2012 survey found that about equal numbers of SBC pastors identify their congregations as Calvinist/Reformed (30%) or Arminian/Wesleyan (30%). More than 60 percent of pastors were concerned about Calvinism’s influence on the denomination. 2016SBC大会选主席的特别报导还使用2012的统计。基本上，30%的SBC牧师 认为自己是加尔文/改革宗，30%是亚米念/卫斯理。而高达60%的牧师担心 加尔文主义对整个SBC的影响。 这里说的跟Neo说的都不一样。：《 ※ 编辑: df31 (101.9.250.119), 11/14/2017 23:26:55 https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/03/russell-moore-southern-baptist-convention/519540/ Russell Moore and the Fight for the Soul of the Southern Baptist Convention The backlash against the conservative evangelical leader reveals deep tensions in his denomination. Russell Moore, the head of the Southern Baptist Convention's political arm, interviews then-presidential candidate Jeb Bush in August 2015 Mark Humphrey / AP EMMA GREEN MAR 14, 2017 On Monday, The Washington Post reported that Russell Moore—the leader of the Southern Baptist Convention’s political arm—might lose his job. The denomination’s executive committee had asked Moore for a private meeting to discuss an unfolding controversy: More than 100 churches are considering cutting off funding from the Convention, according to the Post, and the influential Prestonwood Baptist Church in Texas announced in February that it will temporarily withhold roughly $1 million from the Convention’s cooperative mission programs. The executive committee has recently begun an investigation into why these funds are being withheld. 这里说道Russell Moore要被炒鱿鱼了。这篇文章引用一个牧师对他的评价： “He has singlehandedly caused more division in Southern Baptist life than what we’ve seen in the last 30 years.” ※ 编辑: df31 (101.9.250.119), 11/14/2017 23:30:04 ※ 编辑: df31 (101.9.250.119), 11/14/2017 23:33:07 我估计我们台湾的基督教资讯被扭曲了。 ※ 编辑: df31 (101.9.250.119), 11/14/2017 23:33:43 我看过一个统计，说亚米念60%。 ※ 编辑: df31 (101.9.250.119), 11/15/2017 07:46:06 不咬人会死哦！ ※ 编辑: df31 (101.9.250.119), 11/15/2017 09:55:08