前言： 基信板来一个随堂小考吧！ 这个问题需要搞这麽久吗？XD 有些人11/9当天就了解了， 有些人拖到现在还搞不清楚状况XD 本课的单字为以下三个： .G622 apollumi 代表经文约3：16、太10：28 --大家都同意这边针对灵魂时指不得救/下地狱； .G684 apoleia 代表经文太7：13--争议点； .ekmedenisis（G1842的同源字？） annihilation =complete loss of being. =a place or state of nothingness or unconscious existence. --老鱼再三引文强调G684「不是」annihilation，所以造成与G622的差异？ =============================== The idea of apoleia is not that of annihilation but that which is ruined and is no longer usable for its intended purpose. Apoleia does not describe the complete loss of being, but the complete loss of well-being. It means utter and hopeless loss of all that gives worth to existence. Note that contrary to popular opinion apoleia does not refer to extinction or annihilation or an end of existence, but to total ruin so far as the purpose of existence is concerned. =============================== A.第一大题（问neo，可是其他人也可答）： neo估狗到的 https://goo.gl/CQetEt 这个段落不是根本就把apollumi跟apoleia认为只是词性不同、意思混用了吗？XD 而老鱼、neo似乎都把annihilation当成基督教普遍的地狱观？ 以下三个选项，请参考neo提供连结之引文，选出正确的： 1）neo是要否定引文，说apollumi不同於apoleia，是annihilation，故约3：16 "「　神爱世人，甚至将他的独生子赐给他们， 叫一切信他的，不致灭亡（apollumi），反得永生。" 这边apollumi是指不得救＝下地狱＝annihilation， 而apoleia不是annihilation， 故太7：13不是指约3：16的不得救/下地狱。 2）还是neo要同意自己引的文，说apollumi/apoleia都不是annihilation， 导致约3：16 「　神爱世人，甚至将他的独生子赐给他们，叫一切信他的，不致灭亡，反得永生。 这边的「灭亡」也不指"不得救＝下地狱＝annihilation"； 而neo这个资料前两页，是把annihilation、universalism， 与基督宗教「正统/普遍」的「地狱观」并列。 所以选项第三个： 3）apollumi/apoleia都不是annihilation，用在灵魂上时， 则都指向基督宗教非annihilation的地狱观。 B.第二大题： 而老鱼给的 http://www.preceptaustin.org/matthew_713-14 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Destruction (684) (apoleia from apo = marker of separation, away from + olethros = ruin, death but not annihilation) describes destruction, in this case the utter ruin or complete loss which is epitomized by eternal punishment. The idea of apoleia is not that of annihilation but that which is ruined and is no longer usable for its intended purpose. Apoleia does not describe the complete loss of being, but the complete loss of well-being. It means utter and hopeless loss of all that gives worth to existence. Note that contrary to popular opinion apoleia does not refer to extinction or annihilation or an end of existence, but to total ruin so far as the purpose of existence is concerned. The related root word apollumi is the term Jesus used to speak of those who are thrown into hell And do not fear those who kill the body, but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy [apollumi] both soul and body in hell. (Mt 10:28) As Jesus makes clear elsewhere, hell is not a place or state of nothingness or unconscious existence, as is the Hindu Nirvana. It is the place of everlasting torment, the place of eternal death, where there will be “ weeping and gnashing of teeth” forever (see Mt 13:42, 50). All people are created by God for His glory, but when they refuse to come to Him "through the narrow gate" for salvation, they lose their opportunity for eternal redemption and ultimately the opportunity of becoming what God intended for them to be in Christ. At that time, they are fit only for condemnation and destruction. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- 请问这边的意思是： 针对灵魂时， 1)apollumi＝annihilation, apoleia≠annihilation 2)apollumi＝annihilation, apoleia＝annihilation 3)apollumi≠annihilation, apoleia≠annihilation; apollumi＝apoleia 4)apollumi≠annihilation, apoleia≠annihilation; apollumi≠apoleia 附加题： 若选4)，而apollumi、apoleia的差异又不在於是不是annihilation， 那到底差别在哪边？--程度之别：complete？eternal？ 上面老鱼引的这段，apoleia没有指称complete、eternal吗？ ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 之前的相关讨论，整理在一起： #1Q1R3AP2 #1Q1dnM_y -- それはそれ！！これはこれ！！！ 忘记旁边，努力面前！ --

※ 发信站: 批踢踢实业坊(ptt.cc), 来自: 106.104.46.98 ※ 文章网址: https://webptt.com/cn.aspx?n=bbs/Christianity/M.1510396397.A.F90.html 老鱼需要先通过中文测验。 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 应该是智力测验+英文阅读测验。 ※ 编辑: theologe (106.104.46.98), 11/11/2017 18:58:26 修改说明：太10：28，我原本写成约10：28。 ※ 编辑: theologe (220.130.205.94), 11/14/2017 08:08:29