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标题[讨论] '道成肉身'的是只有圣灵?还是只有耶稣?
时间Tue Sep 6 21:13:23 2016
'道成肉身'的是只有圣灵?还是只有耶稣?
oy攻击地方召会混乱了素质和经纶,想把地方召会打为[性态论];此计不成,他又想在[道成
肉身]的题目上下套子,想把地方召会打成[圣父受苦说].然而,在同时,我已经提供详细的
资料,证明他乃是[三神论异端],并让他对自己的立场,以及我提供的资料提出解释.很可惜
的,也是意料之中,他不但无法维护自己的立场,反而继续攻击地方召会.
因此,我在此再度使用[基督教正统的神学资料],挑战oy,希望他讲清楚,他接受的是[1/3的
神]呢?还是[完整的神]?(地方召会认为地方召会接受的是[完整的神]!)
以下是特土良的<护教篇>:
Tertullian (again): “Thus Christ is Spirit of Spirit, and God of God, as
light of light is kindled. . . . That which has come forth out of God is at
once God and the Son of God, and the two are one. In this way also, as He is
Spirit of Spirit and God of God, He is made a second in manner of existence—
in position, not in nature; and He did not withdraw from the original source,
but went forth. This ray of God, then, as it was always foretold in ancient
times, descending into a certain virgin, and made flesh in her womb, is in
His birth God and man united.”
Tertullian, Apology, 21. ANF, III:34–35.
他说:"Thus Christ is Spirit of Spirit, and God of God/基督是圣灵的圣灵,神的神(
直译)."
以下是安波罗修的话:
ON THE MYSTERIES
AMBROS OF MILAN
http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/3405.htm
58. Wherefore, too, the Church, beholding so great grace, exhorts her sons
and her friends to come together to the sacraments, saying: Eat, my friends,
and drink and be inebriated, my brother. Song of Songs 5:1 What we eat and
what we drink the Holy Spirit has elsewhere made plain by the prophet,
saying, Taste and see that the Lord is good, blessed is the man that hopes in
Him. In that sacrament is Christ, because it is the Body of Christ, it is
therefore not bodily food but spiritual. Whence the Apostle says of its type:
Our fathers ate spiritual food and drank spiritual drink, 1 Corinthians 10:3
for the Body of God is a spiritual body; the Body of Christ is the Body of
the Divine Spirit, for the Spirit is Christ, as we read: The Spirit before
our face is Christ the Lord. Lamentations 4:20 And in the Epistle of Peter we
read: Christ died for us. 1 Peter 2:21 Lastly, that food strengthens our
heart, and that drink makes glad the heart of man, as the prophet has
recorded.
安波罗修讲得很清楚:"the Body of Christ is the Body of the Divine Spirit, for
the Spirit is Christ, as we read: The Spirit before our face is Christ the
Lord. /基督的身体就是圣灵的身体,因为就像我们读到的,圣灵就是基督;在我们面前的圣
灵就是主基督."
加尔文的林後第三章注释是这样说的:
Where the Spirit of the Lord. He now describes the manner, in which Christ
gives life to the law -- by giving us his Spirit. The term Spirit here has a
different signification from what it had in the preceding verse. There, it
denoted the soul, and was ascribed metaphorically to Christ. Here, on the
other hand, it means the Holy Spirit, that Christ himself confers upon his
people. Christ, however, by regenerating us, gives life to the law, and shows
himself to be the fountain of life, as all vital functions proceed from man's
soul. Christ, then, is to all (so to speak) the universal soul, not in
respect of essence, but in respect of grace. Or, if you prefer it, Christ is
the Spirit, because he quickens us by the life-giving influence of his
Spirit. [416]
John Calvin's Commentaries
http://biblehub.com/commentaries/calvin/2_corinthians/3.htm
加尔文说:" Or, if you prefer it, Christ is the Spirit, because he quickens us
by the life-giving influence of his Spirit./喔!如果你愿意,基督就是圣灵,因为他
用他圣灵赐生命的能力点活我们".加尔文在<论持续性的启示>说到:
John Calvin On Continuing Revelation
If Christ is the Spirit and the Lord, and His Word is Spirit and Life,
imagining that we have another "person" inside of us to guide us above and
beyond the Scripture is to deny Christ. Only by accepting the Word of Christ
(Colossians 3:16) do we have the Spririt (Ephesians 5:19) with which to sing
and speak one to another. One who insists that they have some message beyond
that revealed by Christ and the Apostles and protected by the Spirit God we
are in the midst of one who wants to steak the disciples of Christ to become
disciples of the new but false "prophet."
http://www.piney.com/CalvinSpWord.html
加尔文告诉我们:"If Christ is the Spirit and the Lord, and His Word is Spirit
and Life,...beyond the Scripture is to deny Christ./若基督是圣灵和主,他的道是
圣灵和生命....翻越过圣经的就是否认基督."
伯克富就不用介绍了.他说:
…The word "Lord" in verses 17 and 18 always means Christ. He himself is the
Spirit; as the close of verse 18 repeats: "this comes from the Lord who is
the Spirit." Other features of this conception in Paul are found in 1
Corinthians 6:17: "he who is united to the Lord becomes one Spirit with him,"
and in Romans 8:9-11, where the divine principle which dwells in the faithful
alternately is called the Spirit, the Spirit of God, the Spirit of Christ,
and Christ.
Hendrikus Berkhof, The Doctrine of the Holy Spirit (Richmond, VA: John Knox
Press, 1964), pp. 24-25; see also pp. 18, 25-27
请注意这句话: where the divine principle which dwells in the faithful
alternately is called the Spirit, the Spirit of God, the Spirit of Christ,
and Christ. /住在忠信者里面的原则也可以被称作圣灵,神的灵,基督的灵,和基督.
其他释经大师的资料就先省略了.
若是,[道成肉身]的时候,圣灵不可能也在道里面成为肉身,那麽,很明显的,基督就不是圣
灵,圣灵也不是基督.故此,oy的论点根本就是不折不扣的[三神论异端].
难道'道成肉身'不也被称作'圣灵成孕'吗?难道,主不是多次在福音书里面告诉我们,'我在
父里面,父在我里面'?还是,对於oy而言,我们只能称之为'道成肉身',而不能称之为'圣灵
成孕 '?
希望oy在毁谤地方召会的的同时,能够为自己的说法提出说明和证据.
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