作者Geigemachen ()
看板Christianity
标题Re: 三位一体
时间Mon Oct 26 11:29:52 2009
这篇写得不错,是从功能三一论的观点(讨论人与神的互动,不讨论三位格之间的互动),
我找到了一个综合了本体三一论(讨论三位格之间的互动)与功能三一论的版本,
认为不只是一个本质会对应一个意志,一个位格也会对应一个意志,(你应该不同意)
三个位格总共有三个独立的意志,被协调表现为一位上帝一个本质的一个意志。
我再去查查看这两种说法的历史来源,与被接受的程度
※ 引述《kockroach (假先知假使徒)》之铭言:
: 我觉得从 salvation oikonomi 的概念出发会很好理解
: (这也是 Tertullian, Irenaeus, Athenagoras 等人最早
: 解释三位一体时的概念)
: 上帝有一个救赎计画,这个救赎计画反映了上帝的 divine will,
: 救赎计画的目的只有一个,所以只有一个 will
: 所以,一个上帝,一个本质,一个 will、一个 nature
: 救赎计画的执行总体而言是一个 action,但是分成三个 persone
: (hypostasis),三个形式(form),三个顺序
: 然而三个 persone 没有大小差别,同等尊荣(co-honour)、同样
: 地位、永远存在(co-eternal)
: 另一方面,由於 incarnation 的关系,耶稣身上同时有两神人
: 二性(nature)
: 一个萝卜一个坑,所以一个 nature 就会有一个 will
: 耶稣身上有两个 nature 就会有两个 will
本体三一论是否造成
http://www.carm.org/christianity/christian-doctrine/ontological-and-economic-t\
rinity
Objections Answered
2Q.Doesn't the difference of role mean that the Father commands and the Son
obeys? But if this is so, how can the Trinity be of one will?
2A.
By definition, each person of the Trinity must have his own will,
otherwise, they are not persons. The question would then be how does each
will relate to the other within the Trinity? ...We are told that Jesus came
down from heaven not to do his own will, but the will of the Father who
sent him (John 6:38).
It would seem that we could conclude that the Father and the Son either did
not have the same will, and/or that the Son voluntarily subjected himself to
accomplish the will of the Father. Either way, the members of the Trinity
work in perfect harmony in spite of there being three persons.
3Q.If the Trinity is of one will, how can there be a distinction of wills
between the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
4A.It would seem that
John 6:38 does imply that the father and the son had
different wills. We would expect this to be so since the father is not the
same person as the son and each person, by definition, must have his own
will.
约翰福音 6:38 因为我从天上降下来,不是要按自己的意思行,乃是要按那差我来者的意
思行。
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