PS. 这篇算是作者的讨论吧XD 其实没啥"新"闻 新闻出处(必填): http://celticshub.com/2009/07/14/how-much-is-big-baby-worth-to-you/ 作者:Brian Robb With a couple seemingly minor moves in the NBA yesterday, the market for big men and especially Glen Davis just got a heck of a lot more interesting. Let’ s break down the moves and see how they could potentially drive the price tag for Big Baby up which would go along with decreasing the likelihood the Celtics will be able to retain his services by matching a high priced offer. 有关近来的小道消息，让大家对於big man的目光集中在大宝贝上。来看看近来市场上 有啥动作以及来看看有关对於大宝他们准备怎麽出价。 Move #1: Detroit trades SG Aaron Afflalo, PF Walter Sharpe and cash to Denver for a future 2nd round pick. 消息#1. 活塞把Afflalo+Sharpe+钱去换金块的2轮选秀权。 The deal was made here for a couple simple reasons as far as the Pistons were concerned. First off with the signing of Ben Gordon, it created a crowded backcourt situation for the team with Richard Hamilton all ready signed long term. That reality created no major minutes left for Afflalo who was shipped out of town to help Denver replace Dhantay Jones who fled to Indiana for a 4 year 11 million dollar deal. 活塞会做这举动有几个简单的原因： 1.)因为签了狗蛋，而原本又有RIP，所以Afflalo自然会连上场时间都没有。而Afflalo 去了丹佛也正好填补Dhantay Jones转队後留下的空缺。 The second and more important reason the deal was made as far as the Celtics are concerned, was the additional cap space that was created for the Pistons with the trade. Afflalo and Sharpe’s salary combine to make up 1.8 million, and by not dealing for a player in return, that was the amount Joe Dumars was able to reduce the team’s number under the salary cap, which now stands at 4.9 million according to Dan Feldman over at PistonPowered.com. 2.)也是比较重要的一个原因，当然目标是大宝贝罗。Afflalo+Sharpe的钱大概总和1.8M ，而且交易完後并没有拿到球员，表示有多的空间以及薪资来争取大宝贝的加入。 而依照http://tinyurl.com/kqtpfm的资料参考知道，目前活塞队的薪资距离上限还有 $4,906,077 也就是差不多5M的薪资可用。 By dealing Sharpe, this deal also left Detroit extremely thin on the front line, leaving it with only three players who could be considered as power forward/centers in Charlie Villanueva, Jason Maxiell, and Kwame Brown. Thus it seems Detroit will be going after one, if not two big man free agents out there and it has been widely reported that one of those players will be Glen Davis. 不过也因为把Sharpe丢掉了，现在的活塞禁区是非常小的。只剩下无眉人、Maxiel以及 奶油手。所以活塞看起来至少还要找一个，而看起来那个人就是我们的大宝贝。 From the Celtics perspective, it can’t be encouraging for them to see Detroit stockpiling cap space, increasing the odds that they will make an offer to Davis that the C’s will be unwilling to match. The Celtics have been smart waiting it out with Big Baby thus far, trying to let a seemingly down market drive down Baby’s price and suitors as many teams (San Antonio, Orlando, Memphis) looked elsewhere to fill their big man needs. 对於超塞来说，活塞清空间是不乐观的。因为活塞很可能会出一个超塞并不想跟的价钱。 超塞目前的策略就是等待，试着让市场把大宝贝的价格给降低以及随着时间降低追求大 宝贝的追求者的个数。 According to Gary Tanguay, Danny Ainge has placed a dollar value on Big Baby’ s worth. Last year we witnessed firsthand Danny’s reluctance to overpay for a role player in the form of James Posey. In my estimation, the signing of Rasheed Wallace made the need for the Celtics to bring back Big Baby a bit less pressing since Rasheed will be able to log major minutes at the 4 and 5 spots. If they have to overpay Davis (5 million over several years) to keep him here, Wallace in town made the chances of that happening a bit less likely. 根据GT的说法，安吉对大宝贝已有个定数。去年我们可以看到安吉并不想跟Posey。而在 作者的眼里，签下希蛙可能会使续签大宝贝的可能性降低。 The C’s are well over the luxury tax as it is, so it is clear that while the team does want to bring Baby back, they will only do it if the price is right. If the C’s don’t bring back Davis, there are still affordable free agent options out there at the big man spots albeit not ones as attractive as Davis. Realistically though whoever the C’s bring in as a fifth big man (Scalabrine being the 4th) would only have to go 10-15 minutes a game barring injury since Rasheed will eat up the bulk of the bench big man minutes. 超塞已经差不多要缴豪华税了，因此很明确的，要签下大宝贝唯有用适当地价格才能签下 。要是超塞不要大宝贝，仍然能在剩下的FA中找到大个子球员，尽管不像大宝贝那麽好用 。不过老实说，签下第五个禁区球员(吉祥物算第四个好了)，一场比赛顶多也只能上10-1 5分钟。因为希蛙会用得很频繁。 Given the assumption that there are no major injury problems, (a realistic concern given KG and Rasheed’s age) it would be unwise for the C’s to invest too much money in the backup 4 spot when Glen’s minutes would be limited thanks to the depth chart. 假设主力没伤痛问题，那超支大宝贝并不是很好得选择。 It has to worry fans that want Big Baby back in green that Joe Dumars has shown the willingness to overpay at bit this offseason to get his guys (Ben Gordon, Charlie Villanueva). Now that he has the cap room to offer Big Baby a significant deal at a little under 5 million a year, if he does give Davis a long term contract at that number, the C’s will have to think long and hard about matching it. There are really no other big men on the open market right now that could command that kind of money, so it seems only a matter of time before Dumars makes Glen the big money offer he has been waiting for. 对於想要Baby留下的球迷很可能要说声抱歉，因为Joe Dumars已经展现他就算要超支球员 也要签下的决心(狗蛋、无眉人都是)。而现在他又有足够的空间以接近5M来签大宝贝，要 是他给大宝贝一个这样长约，那超塞的眼光必须放远以及该是时候放弃了。 以现在的市场上并没有禁区球员值得那麽多钱，所以Dumars来迎接大宝贝似乎只剩下时间 的问题了\(〞﹌〝*)/。 Numbers wise in my estimation, Glen is not worth the 5 million a year on this team and the team would be better served to sign a lower price short term alternative to fill Big Baby’s role. Perhaps, someone like a Joe Smith, Drew Gooden, or Rasho Nesterovic could fill Baby’s spot. Those guys are downgrades to be sure, but will be a lot cheaper and could be had for only a year or two commitment. Before we finish this up, let’s take a look at a 2nd move from Monday that could affect the C’s pursuit of those guys. 作者认为大宝贝并不值5M/year，而且超塞应该要找一个低薪的球员以取代大宝贝的位置， 譬如，Joe Smith,Drew Gooden或是大N。虽然他们的数据不好，但是至少便宜多了，而且 只需签个一或两年。再来看看可能会影响超塞的第二个消息。 Move #2 Orlando Magic retain Marcin Gortat after matching the Mavericks’ 5 year/34 million offer sheet. 消息#2. 魔术留下锅贴，让小牛白出价了。 The loss of Gortat hurts the Mavs depth right now more than you might imagine. The non-signing and loss of Brandon Bass (4 years/18 million) to the Magic leaves the Mavs current roster with a very thin front line bench. After Dampier and Nowitzki it consists of Shawn Marion as a potential undersized 6th man at the 4 (he might start anyway over Howard) and a couple of throw-ins (Kris Humphries and Nathan Jawai) they received to make the salaries work in the Marion deal. 小牛的禁区深度目前很惨，没补强到还少一个Bass。蛋皮+德老外加一个第六人香妹(应该 是德老的替补)，还有两个跑龙套的Kris Humphries与Nathan Jawai(这两个只为了打平 交易香妹过来的)。 I mention this only because their need for big man could drive up the market for the big man free agents I mentioned earlier if the C’s were to lose Big Baby. Heck, they could even potentially get in on the Big Baby sweepstakes even though Mark Cuban denied they had any interest in him a few months back. With fewer options now, Cuban may have to reconsider although he could try to fill the void with a trade as well. 小牛禁区也是很薄，因此也可能看上大宝贝。虽然库班之前说对他没兴趣，不过现在FA 市场上的选择是越来越少，故库班也可能重新考虑。 So I guess my question to everyone as I work through all these potential scenarios is what exactly is Big Baby worth to you? Zach Lowe took an eye opening look at Big Baby’s numbers and performance on the floor this past year, which should help everyone in coming to a conclusion. Knowing that should ownership match a 5 million dollar offer at 3 plus years if it comes at the expense of better players to fill the backup small forward and point guard spots? Is Big Baby actually worth five million? What price tag would you put on him? And would you consider signing and trading Davis to fill a more pressing need (backup SF) on the team if it was likely you were going to lose him anyway? I’m curious to hear everyone’s opinion on this as it appears likely to shake itself out sooner than later. 所以到底该不该match 3年5M/year的大宝贝或是去找一个PP或小豆子的替补? 揪竟大宝贝 有没有值5M呢? 你觉得他应该值多少? 或是你觉得拿大宝贝先签後换去找一个替补SF来会 比较好? 我真的很好奇。 -- ███ ███ █ █ ███ ██▎ ███ ██ █▂▂ █▎█ ██▎ ███ █▆▂ █▆█ ▍█▋ ██▆ ▊█▎ █▆▆ ██ █▂█ ███ ▊█▎ ██▆ █▊█ █▂█ ▍█▋ ██▆ ▊██ ▆▆█ ██ ███ █▎█ ▊██ ██▆ R by ωaterζantasy --

※ 发信站: 批踢踢实业坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 220.141.47.145 话说这篇外电有写说只要在5.6M以下超塞都会跟 http://tinyurl.com/mzf8uc Boston has said that it will match any offer to the 6-foot-9, 289-pound Davis under $5.6 million. 啧啧，是真是假不知道= =" ※ 编辑: rayensighner 来自: 220.141.47.145 (07/15 03:12) 这里有篇外电在聊 http://tinyurl.com/ma3jul 要是我们出大宝贝(5.9M先签)+TA(2.5M)+吉祥物(3.41M) 去换Tyson Chandler(12.3M) 不过我个人觉得这不怎麽样...因为下一季小钱还有1.3M的约才会走完，整个压到我们 薪资。虽然有球员选择权，不过怎麽看都不怎麽有趣XD。 ※ 编辑: rayensighner 来自: 220.141.47.145 (07/16 01:59)