作者TT123 (The Truth)
看板Celtics
标题Re: [讨论] Get the ball to Ray Allen !!!
时间Sat Nov 8 00:16:40 2008
放心吧
Ray的重要性在今年会更加明显,没别的原因...就是少了Posey
当T-Mac一直硬打Ray时,如果是去年就会有Posey上来顶...现在Ray只能靠自已
特别是TA看来除了比较健康有自信外,并没有什麽多大的进步
拿了球就一定要往前运二下、没有外线、跑位又差,基本上如果C's在进攻上打战术
的话,感觉上TA是完全没用处...他只需要大家让开清出禁区给他单打
今年TA还是一个防守组,但是碍於身高要跟Posey比还是差多了 (T-Mac看都不看就在
他头上投篮...)反之,等Doc觉得时机成熟时理论上Bill Walker跟九把刀会有机会上场
(就如同前几年的新秀一样..都是球季开打一段时间後才有机会亮相)
另一重点是,Ray到C's时就有说过希望在PG上分一点时间,而今年到目前为止,我认
为Doc最好早点让Ray打一些PG,因为目前PG上只有Rondo罩得住...House、TA、Pruitt
都还不行
至於会觉得三分球变差,很大的原因就是TA的上场时间增加
只要他跟Rondo一起出现,外线就完全没火力>< 这个问题是无解的!!
除非让Pruitt跟Rondo一起上...也是一个方法
※ 引述《SexyCassell (其实我很帅)》之铭言:
: Get the ball to Ray Allen and let him run the offense (with the bench)
: 原文连结:http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=23327.0
: ※这是在celticsblog上看到的一系列讨论串,主要在讲RAY在C's的定位和打法问题
: 有兴趣的人可以自行前去观看整个讨论串,国外很多球迷的观点相当有意思。
: 以下节录部分片段,欢迎大家一起讨论!^^
: ※去年夺冠後,RAY本人曾经说过:「We did our best to somewhat downplay it,
: because Big Three, it was a Big 15. We have 15 guys on this team that
: have contributed all year.」
: 希望所有塞尔提克的球迷都秉着这样的精神~~^^
: -----------------------------------------------
: Ray needs to be singled out on offense just like Paul is whenever he is alone
: out there with the second group. He's a good enough facilitator to involve the
: other guys when he doesn't have it but I want one of the greatest shooters in
: NBA history shooting when with the second unit not Baby taking 18 footers and
: Tony taking wild, off balance drives to the basket.
: -----------------------------------------------
: Like just about everyone not named Pierce, Ray's shot was off last night. He
: wasn't making his early open looks and was swatted the one time I recall him
: taking it to the rim. It looks like we were playing him the same way we did
: early last season, using him as a spot up shooter.
: I think Ray needs the ball in his hands a little more, and not just running
: around the perimeter. He needs to try and get into the middle or get those
: midrange jumpers going before he starts launching the deep balls.
: -------------------------------------------------
: ◎
: 关於这个问题,上个球季冠军赛第五场的时候已经非常热烈讨论过一次了......囧
: 事实就是RAY和PP在球队的部分功用就是重叠到,然而这个问题是不是非得要解决不可?
: 尤其是我们已经拿下队史的第17座冠军,针对这个问题不能有别种想法吗?
: 请看下面几段讨论原文──
: -----------------------------------------------
: I didn't like the lack of involvement/shots Ray had while playing with that
: unit. It's a great opportunity to get Ray going offensively each night, they
: should make more of it.
: -----------------------------------------------
: I think more and more Ray is going to become a spot up shooter on the team,
: there will be lots of screen and rolls for him, but as far as him with the ball
: at the top of the key creating his shot, probably not (unless Sashsa Vujacic is
: standing in front of him, and then 10 feet behind him). TA is a slasher, and as
: unorthodox and ugly as it is at times, he can create his own shot better than
: Ray. I do think Ray definitely should see more of the ball when he is the only
: member of the big three out there, but it was just one game, and the Cavs play
: Ray Ray well, so maybe Doc was trying to throw something out of the ordinary at
: them. Hey, it worked.
: ---------------------------------------------
: ◎
: 小结
: (1)希望RAY能打得更有侵略性~
: (2)RAY(也许)正转型为定点射手,但是他会获得更多掩护~
: (3)如果河流放弃一些既有的东西,球队或许会运转的更好~
: 所谓的放弃一些东西,真的是非常玩味的一句话~~~
: 於是──下面这几段就是重点了!
: ---------------------------------------------
: Ray is a shooter/scorer and I would like to see him play less minutes and get
: more shots up per minute. I really wouldn't mind Ray playing 25 minutes per
: game and taking more shots per minute. He really isn't above average in any
: other facet of the game. Does he really have to play 41 minutes just to space
: the floor?
: --------------------------------------------
: It is not just about getting shots for Ray. It is about trying to run the
: offense at it's most effectiveness. And putting the ball in Ray's hands when
: Pierce, KG and Rondo are on the bench would make the Celtics offense the most
: effective it can be.
: Ray can do more then just catch and shoot.
: ----------------------------------------------
: ◎
: 小结:
: (4)RAY需要的是持球时间,不是上场时间。
: (5)宁愿RAY在较短的上场时候里有更多的出手。
: (6)与其说是更多的出手,其实是更有效率的得分。
: -----------------------------------------------
: Well yes Ray has to play 41 mins to space the floor because he and Pierce are
: the only guys on the team that need to be guarded at the 3 pt line. The only
: way around this is to give some mins to Pruitt.
: That is the flaw in the whole Eddie as a pg and the Eddie, Tony, Ray line up.
: Eddie is not a good 3pt shooter pulling up off the dribble and he doesn't do a
: great job of finding others open looks or handling the ball in traffic. Tony
: can get his own shot but gets in trouble when he starts trying to create shots
: and find the open man and is an iffy spot up shooter even if left wide open.
: Ray is in a simliar situation as Tony creating but much like Eddie he is way
: better off the ball catching and shooting.
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1F:推 SexyCassell :这倒是真的 软豆和TA同时在场上 外线真的很囧~~ 11/08 00:51
2F:→ SexyCassell :但是我一直在想一群替补+RAY 和一群替补+PP 11/08 00:53
3F:→ SexyCassell :爲什麽结果会差那麽多?XD 11/08 00:53
4F:推 NLchu :目前C's的rule player功能太过单一,四个里面三个只 11/08 01:21
5F:→ NLchu :能打禁区,一个只能投外线,所以这季看到大家都在增 11/08 01:21
6F:→ NLchu :加中距离的出手(不管是不是一直没进= =),已经不只是 11/08 01:22
7F:→ NLchu :单纯没外线的问题了......只能说替补太过薄弱的问题 11/08 01:23
8F:→ NLchu :一直都在,而且已经被别队攻击了,快签人吧安吉 11/08 01:25
9F:→ TT123 :再签人的话,就要交易了...人基本上满了 11/08 02:03
10F:→ TT123 :比较期待新秀能补上来 11/08 02:03
11F:→ TT123 :整个替补阵容,最大的问题还是在TA 11/08 02:04
12F:→ TT123 :首先House根本不会组织也没有单打能力,他只能待在 11/08 02:05
13F:→ TT123 :三分线外等机会,偏偏TA也爱站在三分线外看等看有没 11/08 02:06
14F:→ TT123 :人会给他球单打,Big Baby跟Powe都觉得在禁区比较有 11/08 02:07
15F:→ TT123 :安全感...如果Ray或PP不站出来组织的话,就形同一滩 11/08 02:09
16F:→ TT123 :死水...也因此当替补大军上来时,最好的方法就是打快 11/08 02:10
17F:→ TT123 :避免打半场进攻,以防守发动快速的反击 11/08 02:11
18F:推 viking0518 :个人觉得不考虑合约的话,是该交易 11/08 02:14
19F:→ TT123 :如果一定要打半场的话,最好球先调到低位给Powe 11/08 02:14
20F:→ viking0518 :总觉得替补阵容有重复到,应该精简换个三分炮 11/08 02:14
21F:→ TT123 :事实上,根本没几个替补PF守得住Powe 11/08 02:15
22F:→ TT123 :一定要交易的话~~我们是需要一个2、3号的替补 11/08 02:18
23F:→ TT123 :以热身赛看来,Bill Walker应该已达到可以上场的水准 11/08 02:19
24F:推 viking0518 :恩恩,目前三分弹薄弱这样打季後赛真的很吃亏 11/08 02:20
25F:→ TT123 :除非我们能用九把刀或Walker加上Big Baby去换到一个 11/08 02:20
26F:→ viking0518 :总不能让雷枪和PP一直挑战高难度三分出手 11/08 02:21
27F:→ TT123 :不错的球员,不然的话~~还是等一阵子看新秀能不能上 11/08 02:21
28F:→ TT123 :其实九把刀就是一个Posey..他防守跟三分球都很强 11/08 02:22
29F:→ TT123 :只是还没能达到Doc认为能上场的水准 11/08 02:23
30F:推 viking0518 :少一个波西真的很头痛 11/08 02:23
31F:推 x0912587681 :拜托 那也要T妹能打进总冠军赛呀 XD 11/08 09:08