作者bri (.....................)
看板Celtics
标题[外电] The Numbers: Kevin Garnett is "Snuffing Them Out"
时间Sat Apr 5 17:30:37 2008
http://0rz.tw/133Rw
The Numbers: Kevin Garnett is "Snuffing Them Out"
April 1, 2008 3:38 PM
Ahh, the great MVP debate.
啊没错,是有关於MVP的辩论。
There are simply stellar arguments -- that you can back up with amazing
statistics, for Chris Paul and LeBron James. Years and years go by without
anyone having statistics like theirs.
有些很主要的论点-你可以找到一些很夸张的数据当依据来支持Chris Paul和Lebron
James。年复一年,没人可以达到像他们一样的数据。
Kobe Bryant has a lot going for him. He has the kind of great numbers he has
often had. But now he also has the reality that he's the focal point of one
of the very best teams in the league, and in the eyes of just about all those
who see him play regularly, he's capable of more amazing things than any other
player in the game.
Kobe Bryant也有很多支持者。他有一些伟大的数字,一如往常。但是他要面对一个现
实:他处在联盟里最好的几支球队之一,而他是焦点。在那些常常在看他打球的人眼
里,他应该比联盟中的其他球员能做到一些更夸张的事。
Then there is Kevin Garnett. His arrival turned one of the worst teams in the
league into one of the best teams in recent history. You have to consider him
on that basis alone.
然後就是Kevin Garnett了。他的原因是他来到联盟中最糟的几支球队之一,然後把它
变成最近几年最棒的一支球队之一。你好像只能从这个事实基础上去考量。
But poor Garnett -- probably more than the other candidates -- suffers from a
very real flaw of conventional basketball statistics: they don't measure
defense beyond steals, blocks, and defensive rebounds. So when it's time to
tally up his contributions with some numbers, his numbers look smaller than
the other candidates, and a lot of what he does best is missed.
但是可怜的KG-也许比其他人选还可怜-受害於篮球数据上一个很要命的缺陷:我们无法
用抄截、火锅,或是防守篮板以外的数字来衡量防守。所以当需要一些数字来证明他的
贡献的时候,他的数字比其他人看起来都少了一点,而很多他作的最好的事情就被忽略
了。
Or, it was missed, until Celtic owner Wyc Grousbeck leaked some internal Celtics
numbers on the radio in Boston last week.
或者说,它曾经被忽略了,直到Celtics的老板Wyc Grousbeck上礼拜在Boston的电台泄
漏了一些Celtics内部的数据。
At about the 6:30 mark of this interview on WEEI's Dale and Holley show,
Grousbeck says:
在节目上他说;
Players that KG is guarding are shooting 13.1% below the league average at
their position. So he's guarding power forwards, and they're shooting 52%
league-wide, or whatever it is. Guys that he's guarding are shooting 39% all
year. That's just KG, one on one, against his man, when he's on the court.
被KG防守的球员命中率比联盟那个位置的平均命中率低13.1%。所以假使他守的是大前
锋,而他们在联盟中平均的命中率是52%,或是随便多少啦。今年被他守到的家伙命中
率大约是39%。这只是KG,一对一,在球场上防守对方。
LeBron's guys are shooting 2% below the league average for their position.
Kobe's are 3% below. Chris Paul's are 4% below. And KG is keeping people 13%
below. In other words, he's snuffing them out.
被Lebron防守的位置大约比联盟平均命中率低2%。Kobe大约低3%。Chris Paul低个4%。
而KG是低个13%。换句话说,他完全封锁了对方。
The Celtics are one of the league's most sophisticated teams when it comes to
using statistics. A Celtics staffer verified for me that these numbers sound
right. Assuming these numbers accurate, I guess we have two things: a nice
new set of statistics to support a Kevin Garnett MVP candidacy, and some
insight into some ways teams are measuring defensive contributions.
当说到运用统计数据的时候,Celtics是联盟里最熟练的几支队伍之一。一个Celtics的
成员跟我说这些数字听起来蛮正确的。假使这些数字是对的,我想我们就有了两个依据
:一个新的数字概念来支持KG候选MVP,还有一些球队是怎麽衡量防守上的贡献的。
(Also, I thought it was interesting that Paul -- who is small for his position,
and often plays for the steal, is nevertheless evidently affecting a few more
shots than an average defender. USA Today has trotted out a statistical formula
that says Paul and Garnett are the first and second most valuable players.)
(同时有件关於Paul的事还蛮有趣的-就他的位置来说算小只,却常常有抄截,却没有明
显的证据证明他比一个平均的防守者影响了更多一点对手的出手。而USA TODAY才提出了
一个数字公式说Paul和KG是最价值球员的前两名。)
And, as long as we're talking about Kevin Garnett ...
然後,既然我们说到Kevin Garnett……
I'm sure that plenty of NBA fans have thought: Hey, why doesn't my team to what
Danny Ainge did last summer, and nab a top superstar to turn the whole squad
around in an instant?
我确定很多NBA球迷曾经想过:嘿,为什麽我的球队不能像Danny Ainge去年夏天作同样
的事,在好时机抓住一个最好的球星,然後逆转了整支球队的战绩?
Celtics fan and writer Jonathan Messinger says that going out and grabbing
someone like Kevin Garnett just can not happen very often:
Celtics球迷兼作家Jonathan Messinger说,要出去抓到一个像KG的球员的事不可能常常
发生:
... here is what you need to remake a team the way the Celtics did: Cap
flexibility, young talent, expiring contracts, a high lottery pick in a deep
draft, serviceable role players you can live without, jerkface owners in
another town summarily dismantling their team, an inept front office in yet
another city, a superstar who wants to win badly and knows it won't happen on
the team he's given his career to, more young talent you can somehow not
trade in the process, a hometown hero to anchor the whole process, and the
two acquisitions, along with that anchor, should be at the tail ends of their
prime where they're eager to lead, teach and win. Piece of cake, right?
…以下是如果你想复制Celtics所作的来重组一支球队所需要的事:薪资上限空间,年
轻有潜力的菜鸟,要到期的合约,在深度很深的选秀里一支高顺位的签,你没有也能存
活的一些耐用的功能性球员,别的城市的球队老板想要重组球队,另外再一支球队无能
的制服组,一个祈求胜利的超级明星,并且知道在他始终效力的那支球队是不可能达到
的,更多年轻有潜力的菜鸟在过程中没被拿来当筹码,一个家乡英雄来稳定这整个程序
,得到两个球员,加上那个英雄,是在他们生涯黄金时期的尾声,所以他们渴望领导、
教导还有赢球。听起来很简单,不是吗?
Don't forget you need to also get a new assistant coach like Tom Thibodeau to
make your team into stout defenders.
还有别忘记你还要得到一个新的助理教练,像Tom Thibodeau一样把你的球队变成一支
坚强的防守者。
--
※ 发信站: 批踢踢实业坊(ptt.cc)
◆ From: 218.166.207.176
1F:推 nogoodlaugh:推KG MVP刚拿过 换换口味 拿个年度最佳防守球员吧 04/05 17:34
2F:推 Libram:MVP要拚过CP3和KB24不容易,但希望KG能拿个最佳防守球员。 04/05 17:34
3F:→ Libram:楼上~(握) 04/05 17:35
4F:推 nogoodlaugh: (挺) 04/05 17:36
5F:推 shepherdy:只能推KG了 04/05 17:36
6F:推 ILLwill:我倒是认为KG的加入关键在Allen 04/05 17:39
7F:推 liang1117:拿个冠军戒指吧~~~!!! 04/05 17:49
8F:推 cyjoe:希望拿戒指和年度最佳防守球员...^^ 04/05 17:53
9F:推 feelike:拿个总冠军赛MVP吧!!!! 04/05 18:37
10F:推 tchsula:CP3 MVP!! KG 年度最佳防守球员&第一队&总冠军赛MVP!! 04/05 19:25
11F:推 thxu:这个团队能凑在一起 真的是很珍贵阿 04/05 19:36
12F:推 smalldick:现在团队不会在意谁该拿什麽奖 他们眼中只有总冠军 04/05 19:49
13F:推 Naomm:我们真的庆幸生在可以看到他们这种队伍的时代!!!! 04/05 20:12
14F:推 cOvi:没有人跟我一样注意到无能的制服组吗XD 04/05 20:21
15F:推 paul51134:拿冠军mvp比较重要 04/05 20:32
16F:推 nicolas1005:那就冠军外加MVP吧!!!!!!!!!! 04/05 20:54
17F:推 garnett8916:总冠军赛MVP+1 04/05 21:06
18F:推 initialmove:推KG 04/05 22:47
19F:推 tonychou:虽然我非常爱KG~不过我在想有没有可能首次3个人拿一个奖 04/05 22:59
20F:推 yuhuilu:推中肯文!现在NBA公布的MVP排名KG已经是第二名了~ 04/05 23:26
21F:推 qwert032:应该加上一点:对方球队的GM是自己人!!! 04/05 23:49
22F:推 margyfish:被防守的命中率其实也不准 因为也要看整个球队的防守 04/06 03:07
23F:推 u7273:拿个冠军戒指吧~~~!!! +1 04/06 03:10