作者arenasis (Mr.Vengeance)
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标题[选秀]Perry Jones III:钻石或是瓦砾?
时间Tue Apr 10 22:26:49 2012
by Chad Ford, ESPN
Is Perry Jones III going to be a superstar or a dud? That's the question
many NBA GMs are pondering right now.
Perry Jones三世究竟会成为超级球星或者无三小路用,现在很多球探都想知道。
Given his A-plus talent and C-minus motor … your guess is as good as any.
考量他A+等级的天分与C-等级的打球动力,两者皆有可能。
His draft stock has been falling all year as fed-up scouts and GMs feel
that he's out of excuses.
随着对他失望的球探跟总管们觉得他已没有藉口好找,PJIII的选秀价值下滑。
But there is an interesting subtext to the Jones debate. Are we looking
at his game the wrong way? Maybe the reason he struggles to dominate is
because he's being asked to play out of position.
但围绕着他的争论里仍有一点值得讨论:有没有可能大家解读PJIII球赛的角度都有
误?也许他宰制力不足的原因是被安排在
失当的位置上?
"He really has the game of a 2-guard or a small forward," one respected
NBA GM told ESPN.com. "Baylor used him as a center for the past two years,
so you rarely got to see him comfortable. It's like, what if UConn had tr
-ied to play Rudy Gay at the 5? I think people would've had a very different
opinion of him on draft night."
「他有道地的得分後卫或小前锋的打法」一位广受尊敬的总管这麽说「两年来贝勒
大学把他当中锋用。就好像假使康乃狄克大学拿Rudy Gay打中锋会如何?我想等到
选秀那晚人们将对PJIII大大改观」。
Jones has frustrated scouts since his high school days. He's always had
the requisite size, length and athleticism to be an NBA stud. He also has
had a fairly advanced perimeter game for a while. He can handle the ball
and break guys down off the dribble and has a solid jump shot. He has alw
-ays been the team's most willing passer. Had Scott Drew let him run the
point, would things have been different?
PJIII表现不如预期早在高中就开始了。他有足以在NBA安身立命的体型、身高和机动
力,外围火力一度还有显着进步。他能用运球技术或犀利跳投打败防守者,一直以来
也都是全队最不吝於分享球的选手。倘若Scott Drew教头让它控球,情况会有所不同
吗?
Scouts have focused on Jones' perceived lack of toughness. He doesn't block
shots. He shies away from contact. He floats a lot out on the perimeter.
It's rare to see him aggressively take control in the paint. Those are all
things that elite 4s do in college. But if he's a wing? The standard may be
just a little bit different.
球探聚焦於PJIII的「
不够硬」,他不太盖锅、回避肢体碰撞、喜欢外围游走,鲜少看
见积极打进篮下控制禁区,上述都是大学顶级PF的责任……但假设他是侧翼呢,标准
恐怕要另外订。
So what is he? I spoke with an NBA scout last year who had an interesting
take. He said NBA scouts should quit trying to project what a player should
be and focus on scouting a player based on what the player thinks he is.
So,PJIII究竟是?去年某位球探在跟我对谈中提出有趣的论点:NBA球探该停止去预
设球员该成为那个位置,而是以球员认定自己该是哪个位置的角度来观察。
"Players are who they think they are, not who you think they are," the scout
said. "Perry Jones thinks like a point guard, not a big man. That's where
his heart is. Embrace that and he's going to be amazing. Fight it and he
could be a huge disappointment."
「球员呈现的是他心里描绘的自己,而非外人给他的框架,PJIII认为自己是个PG,不
算长人,此为他本心所在,能拥抱其本心则强悍,与其抗拒则带来巨大失落」。
A year and a few months later and that's where we are. Draft Jones as a dom
-inant 4 man who will defend, make a living in the paint and outwork the
next guy and you're setting yourself up for disappointment. Let him play
like Rudy Gay, give him the ball on the wing and let him create and he might
just surprise you.
这段谈话距今已一年多。想选进PJIII并期望他成为善守、在禁区讨生活的硬派大前锋
,那麽你恐怕要失望。让他像Rudy Gay一般侧翼持球,发挥其创意,也许能带给你惊
喜。
We currently have Jones ranked No. 9 on our Big Board and have him going No.
12 to the Milwaukee Bucks in our Lottery Mock Draft. Both of those numbers
are probably close to his floor as an NBA prospect. If he has great workouts
and if a team with the right system is drafting above that, Jones could go
anywhere between 5 and 12 on draft night.
现阶段PJIII在ESPN模拟选秀被预测为12顺位中选,但如果他在试训中有良好表现,再
搭配良好的战术体系,他的顺位不排除落在5~12名之间。
因为是ESPN Insider,所以就不贴来源了
※Perry Jones的总教练Scott Drew已证实他将投入本次选秀。
※虽然Chad Ford的模拟选秀要从乐透顺位正式抽签决定後,才慢慢有参考价值,
不过还是提一下他的Mock2.0版本骑士就是选到Perry Jones。
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1F:推 James781004:选了这只就是豪赌 不是大赢就是大输 04/10 22:29
2F:推 jinpenchi:A大很爱这只 不过能凹到10~16顺位左右就选吧 04/10 22:56
3F:→ jinpenchi:感觉有成为Durant的fu~不过他好像会懒懒的...跟JJ很像 04/10 22:57
4F:推 jinpenchi:SF刚好很空给他练 顺位差赌他我觉得OK....其实不想打自 04/10 23:00
5F:→ jinpenchi:己不喜欢的位子会有那种反应 正常....他又不是坦克车 04/10 23:00
6F:→ jinpenchi:体型相当符合SF最近流行的体型 我认为骑士选到不会吃亏 04/10 23:01
7F:推 jinpenchi:只是在他投篮的观察要比较注意就是了 这点影响很大.... 04/10 23:04
8F:推 jinpenchi:这样Gee也可以拉去打SG身高1~4号没有身高被打点的问题 04/10 23:09
9F:推 jinpenchi:想到JJ.....最近又想念他了 TT时间给他太多成长不显着 04/10 23:13
10F:→ jinpenchi:能压他的人没半个阿 感觉成长比较慢 可惜没捡到JJ 04/10 23:13
11F:→ arenasis:没有特别爱啊XD Chad Ford写哪个值得看的Insider我就会 04/10 23:15
12F:→ arenasis:去翻译,只是今天刚好他写这位 04/10 23:16
13F:→ arenasis:插播一下,Cody Zeller不参加2012选秀 04/10 23:16
14F:推 jinpenchi:Andre Drummond呢??今天参选名单没看到他.... 04/10 23:20
15F:→ jinpenchi:他的大学不要被停赛了 会去参加选秀嘛?@_@ 04/10 23:20
16F:→ jinpenchi: 是 04/10 23:20
17F:→ jinpenchi:如果没有....明年真的要变成巨兽年了 骑士还要在乐透区 04/10 23:22
18F:→ jinpenchi:嘛.....每ㄧ次选秀选前OR选完 都有还不够的感觉阿 04/10 23:23
19F:→ arenasis:今年的期限严格讲有两个,大多数人都追随4/29的那个期限 04/10 23:24
20F:→ arenasis:包括KU的那几位,所以还早 04/10 23:25
21F:推 jinpenchi:喔喔!! 名单也没ㄧ字眉状元....了解 04/10 23:26
22F:推 hunight:对Jones的评价 钻石没开采就是石头 04/11 09:48
23F:→ hunight:Drummond其实就算UConn被禁只参加锦标赛 他也没有一定要闪 04/11 09:49
24F:→ hunight:的理由 就是看他心情爽不爽而已 就算是明年不打64强 他应 04/11 09:50
25F:→ hunight:该还是躺着也有前五顺位 04/11 09:50
26F:→ arenasis:多谢:> 但是Drummond有好到连明年长人年都能躺在前五顺位 04/11 10:02
27F:→ arenasis:等人选吗@@ 04/11 10:02
28F:推 hunight:其实13年的长人我只看好Cody、Adams,Noel实在不看好 04/11 10:39
29F:→ hunight:McAdoo也是tweener 加上Drummond只是技巧很嫩 心态还蛮正 04/11 10:40
30F:→ hunight:确的 加上NBA Ready的身材和体能就摆在那里 只要有一点进 04/11 10:41
31F:→ hunight:步 前五应该不是问题 04/11 10:41
32F:→ arenasis:hmm...所以我可以这样解读吗 "单纯拿Drummond跟PJones比 04/11 11:16
33F:→ arenasis:较,现阶段前者在适应NBA的正确心态上比後者来得高" 04/11 11:17
34F:→ arenasis:多谢回答噜~_~ 04/11 11:17
35F:推 kyle1101:以名字来看 比较适合摇摆人 04/11 12:55
36F:推 jinpenchi:Meyers Leonard呢? ESPN预测跌的比之前多 感觉2X签+2轮 04/11 15:36
37F:→ jinpenchi:就能换到他 这样选PJ+Leonard 我觉得也OK 可以摆长人阵 04/11 15:37
38F:→ arenasis:他不是大部分时间都在乐透尾巴/首轮中段吗? 04/11 16:20
39F:→ arenasis:在那里的话就看看有没有别的办法,用两张签只推进10顺位 04/11 16:21
40F:→ arenasis:不是太划算 04/11 16:21
41F:推 jinpenchi:好像最高跑到14XD 後来消失一阵子 不过看他高光有骑士缺 04/11 17:35
42F:→ jinpenchi:少的东西 能选到就好了 稳稳的选秀才是正确观念 04/11 17:36
43F:→ jinpenchi:这季不奢求像上季那样 不过也希望赌到Star级球员 04/11 17:37
44F:推 jinpenchi:挂C的 除了Drummond的身材再来就是他了吧.... 04/11 17:46
45F:推 hunight:单就心态上 应该是Drummond>>>Jones没错 04/11 20:08
46F:→ hunight:Leonard明年选来应该会送去D-League 然後全队继续观念... 04/11 20:08
47F:→ hunight:不过条件确实是很赞没有错 心态是还不错 但就是技巧还太嫩 04/11 20:09
48F:→ hunight:如果球队没有好好培养很容易歪掉 04/11 20:10
49F:→ arenasis:不会吧...Thompson我们都能给他这麽多发挥空间,然後 04/11 20:11
50F:→ arenasis:相对更具深度的乐透末段中锋,却只能到NBDL吗@@ 04/11 20:12
51F:→ arenasis: ^选秀 04/11 20:12
52F:推 jinpenchi:那是到强队的状况吧.....骑士有Andy 照理Leonard来的话 04/11 21:03
53F:→ jinpenchi:应该跟hu大讲的差不多 不过我想会从替补磨练 跟TT一起.. 04/11 21:04
54F:推 cherngru:看完这篇文章和h大心得,我觉得选Jones不一定好耶~~ 04/11 21:17
55F:→ cherngru:感觉真的赌太大~ 以骑士要靠选秀变强队而不是半吊子队 04/11 21:18
56F:→ cherngru:的思维来说,潜力还是选心态佳的球员会保险一点~ 04/11 21:20
57F:→ cherngru:另外,我觉得长人年也“不一定等於”选秀强年或素质好 04/11 21:23
58F:→ cherngru:10年来,选秀6-11~7尺多的长人也不少,真的成材的比起其他 04/11 21:25
59F:→ cherngru:位置的少太多太多。 长人养成不易,长人年如果有高顺位 04/11 21:26
60F:→ cherngru:更要更加更加仔细评估,不然浪费选秀权的机率非常高orz 04/11 21:27
61F:→ arenasis:明年长人年顺位如果还跟今年一样,那可有点惨了~ 04/11 21:50
62F:→ arenasis:起码要退到第十顺位,缴出一点成绩 04/11 21:51
63F:推 cherngru:这两年选秀权那麽多~没捞个堪用的“真”长人还蛮可惜的>< 04/11 21:55
64F:推 cherngru:Drummond和PJ都6-11,但PJ感觉不是打禁区的料orz 04/11 21:59
65F:→ arenasis:倘若要选当然要选走中锋路子的,所以我才问谁的心态比较 04/11 22:12
66F:→ arenasis:上进,不过薪资空间找FA先顶着也可接受 04/11 22:13
67F:→ hunight:我认为去年Thompson的即战力应该大於明年在NBA的Loenard 04/11 22:39
68F:→ hunight:Leonard心态是蛮上进的 他家庭经济状况不好 打球很认真 不 04/11 22:39
69F:→ hunight:过个性不是很强势那种 需要慢慢找个导师开导他 04/11 22:39
70F:→ hunight:和他聊过天的记者都说他的心智成熟度完全不像20岁不到的小 04/11 22:40
71F:→ hunight:朋友 04/11 22:40
72F:推 hunight:然後就是 我是一直认为今年不算是什麽超级大年的那派... 04/11 22:43
73F:→ arenasis:我想充其量就是平均深度比较大的选秀 04/11 23:04
74F:→ arenasis:不过脱炒作的福,很多内线消息都指出2012的签价价值都 04/11 23:05
75F:→ arenasis:相对高昂XD 04/11 23:05
76F:→ hunight:真的是炒作 光看乐透区 不要说打出明星身价 有几个能保证 04/12 00:08
77F:→ hunight:不要养歪呢? 潜力是一回事 但充斥大量定位不明 技术还没定 04/12 00:09
78F:→ hunight:型的低年级弃学生 我一直搞不懂怎麽能算是超级大年? 04/12 00:10
79F:推 James781004:h大中肯 今年选秀感觉"天赋"是不错的 但都需要养 04/12 01:30
80F:→ James781004:这些天赋能不能成为真正的实力都还有待观察 04/12 01:31
81F:→ James781004:反而真正可以提供立即性帮助的新秀似乎没几个 04/12 01:31
82F:推 jinpenchi:有好的材料就好了 反正不会养的球队就那几支 给会养的多 04/12 01:38
83F:→ jinpenchi:一点选秀比不会养球员的球队来的有用 希望骑士有多点签 04/12 01:39
84F:→ jinpenchi:尤其是一轮签 Grant要让我们见证奇蹟的时刻阿!! 04/12 01:41