作者Geigemachen ()
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标题Re: [转录]同性恋的神学议题
时间Tue Jun 10 16:15:07 2008
※ 引述《Ivangelion (我是你的)》之铭言:
: 关於这主题,我有疑问耶....
: 请问 gay 狗是怎麽来的?有可能不是天生的吗?
我查到资料重点如下:
0.讨论动物同性恋的背景
a.无法证明同性恋是基因造成,或是天生的
b.无法证明同性恋是无法改变的
故转而讨论”动物同性恋”
1.”动物的同性恋现象”有机会发生,并不是”常态动物会有的行为”
(动物有可能”吃自己的同类”,”吃自己的幼儿”,这些现象虽会发生,却不是常态)
2.”动物的同性恋现象”不如”动物持续的异性恋关系”那麽持久且有固定的对象,
”动物的似同性恋性行为”并不能等效於”动物有持续的同性恋关系。”
3.
”常态自然现象中,有同性恋性倾向与同性性性伴侣的动物”是不存在的
: 如果他们是天生的,那这是「天主所喜悦的事」还是「天主不喜悦的任凭」?
: 如果他们不是天生的,那要不要也想办法把牠们乔成不是 gay 狗?
我查到的这篇资料认为”动物同性恋现象不是正常动物常态现象”,
看来应该算是”天主不喜悦的任凭”。
这篇资料认为,目前为止并无法证明”动物的同性恋是基因造成的,或是天生的”
http://www.narth.com/docs/animalmyth.html
Animal "Filicide" and "Cannibalism"
Sarah Hartwell explains that tomcats kill their kittens after receiving
"mixed signals" from their instincts:
Most female cats can switch between "play mode" and "hunt mode" in order not
to harm their offspring. In tomcats this switching off of "hunt mode" may be
incomplete and, when they become highly aroused through play, the "hunting"
instinct comes into force and they may kill the kittens. The hunting instinct
is so strong, and so hard to switch off when prey is present, that
dismemberment and even eating of the kitten may ensue.... Compare the size,
sound and activity of kittens with the size, sound and activity of prey. They
are both small, have high-pitched voices and move with fast, erratic
movements. All of these trigger hunting behavior. In the tomcat, maternal
behavior cannot always override hunting behavior and he treats the kittens in
exactly the same way he would treat small prey.
His instincts are confused.[5]
Regarding animal cannibalism, the Iran Nature and Wildlife Magazine notes:
Cannibalism is most common among lower vertebrates and invertebrates, often
due to a
predatory animal mistaking one of its own kind for prey. But it also
occurs among birds and mammals, especially when
food is scarce.[6]
"Homosexual" Animals Do Not Exist
In 1996, homosexual scientist Simon LeVay admitted that the evidence pointed
to isolated acts, not to homosexuality:
Although
homosexual behavior is very common in the animal world, it seems to
be very
uncommon that individual animals have a long-lasting predisposition
to engage in such behavior to the exclusion of heterosexual activities. Thus,
a homosexual orientation, if one can speak of such thing in animals, seems to
be a rarity.[11]
Despite the "homosexual" appearances of some animal behavior, this behavior
does not stem from a "homosexual" instinct that is part of animal nature. Dr.
Antonio Pardo, Professor of Bioethics at the University of Navarre, Spain,
explains:
Properly speaking, homosexuality does not exist among animals.... For reasons
of survival, the reproductive instinct among animals is always directed
towards an individual of the opposite sex. Therefore, an animal can never be
homosexual as such. Nevertheless, the interaction of other instincts
(particularly dominance) can result in behavior that appears to be
homosexual.
Such behavior cannot be equated with an animal homosexuality. All
it means is that animal sexual behavior encompasses aspects beyond that of
reproduction.[12]
[11] LeVay, p. 207.
[12] Antonio Pardo, "Aspectos m嶮icos de la homosexualidad," Nuestro Tiempo,
Jul.-Aug. 1995, pp. 82-89.
[13] "Exploding the Myth of Constitutional Homosexuality," National
Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality,
www.leaderu.com/orgs/narth/exploding.html. (Our emphasis.)
In its effort to present homosexuality as normal, the homosexual movement[1]
turned to science in an attempt to prove three major premises:
Homosexuality is genetic or innate;
Homosexuality is irreversible;
Since animals engage in same-sex sexual behavior, homosexuality is natural.
Keenly aware of its inability to prove the first two premises,[2] the
homosexual movement pins its hopes on the third, animal homosexuality.[3]
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※ 编辑: Geigemachen 来自: 59.115.145.58 (06/10 16:15)
※ 编辑: Geigemachen 来自: 59.115.145.58 (06/10 16:19)
1F:推 ChrisL:我觉得这资料没有帮助讨论 还有些生物性徵会改变... XD 06/10 16:17
※ 编辑: Geigemachen 来自: 59.115.145.58 (06/10 16:19)
※ 编辑: Geigemachen 来自: 59.115.145.58 (06/10 16:21)
※ 编辑: Geigemachen 来自: 59.115.145.58 (06/10 16:21)
※ 编辑: Geigemachen 来自: 59.115.145.58 (06/10 16:21)
2F:→ Geigemachen:即使有,不代表"常态";有行为,不代表"持续同性恋关系" 06/10 16:22
3F:→ Geigemachen:名词定义与观念要厘清,才能进行有效讨论 06/10 16:23
※ 编辑: Geigemachen 来自: 59.115.145.58 (06/10 16:26)
※ 编辑: Geigemachen 来自: 59.115.145.58 (06/10 16:51)
※ 编辑: Geigemachen 来自: 59.115.145.58 (06/10 16:51)
※ 编辑: Geigemachen 来自: 59.115.145.58 (06/10 16:51)
4F:推 Naturalist:呵呵 你拿一个专门研究"治疗"同性恋的组织网站来当连结 06/11 03:44
5F:推 Naturalist:还不如直接连到"出走埃及"算了..... 06/11 03:49
6F:→ Geigemachen:您要不要评论其中动物学家言论的学术可信度 06/11 03:57
7F:推 Naturalist:您要不要说果蝇同性恋也是"心理因素"?......orz 06/11 04:03
8F:→ Geigemachen:那篇说多巴胺过多增加同性恋倾向但是不减少异性恋倾向 06/11 04:07
9F:推 Naturalist:所以勒? 同性恋只是"心理因素"吗? 06/11 04:13
10F:→ Geigemachen:另一篇回文"内分泌也有非生理因素成的可能" 06/11 06:34
11F:推 Naturalist:所以勒? 同性恋只是"心理因素"吗? 06/11 16:45
※ 编辑: Geigemachen 来自: 140.109.112.154 (06/12 02:45)