作者hyChika (Chika)
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标题Re: [iwin] 卫福部3/21会议 确定不直播
时间Sat Mar 16 23:50:43 2024
想借这串问一下,本来想说写篇英文文章发到Reddit之类的论坛看能不能闹更大一点(?)
结果写完了想到自己其实也不常混欧美论坛不太懂那边生态,所以不知道到底该发去哪里才
好XDD 有版友能给点建议吗?
附上写好的文章
Taiwanese people's freedom of reading/watching virtual works is threatened
The government of Taiwan (R.O.C.) is planning on releasing a new policy. To expl
ain it, people who own, create, or spread virtual artworks might be subject to d
isproportionately harsh penalties (up to seven-year sentence) if the government
subjectively considers the art works to be inappropriate content, particularly t
hose depicting child pornography. The government claims that it is to decrease t
he rate for child prostitution to happen; however, the policy is completely ridi
culous in my opinion for the reasons below.
First and foremost, there is no clue that virtual artworks are connected to actu
al child prostitution. In fact, refer to the study carried out by the experts at
Sexologisk Klinik(*), virtual child pornography does not lead to real child pro
stitution. There is also a substantial body of research showing that violence is
not related to violent video games. Based on the facts, I believe there is a hi
gher chance that virtual artworks are not responsible for any real world crimes,
including child prostitution. For instance, Japan has the lowest reported rates
of sexual assault and child prostitution despite having a thriving virtual porn
industry, including virtual child pornography. Engagement with virtual artworks
may satisfy certain desires, potentially reducing the likelihood of harmful beh
aviors towards real individuals. Overall, it seems to me that virtual artworks d
o not result in real child prostitution. Given this point, declaring owning virt
ual artworks a crime would be absolutely inadequate.
Secondly, there are no REAL children being abused just because someone owns or c
reates virtual artworks, as long as the artworks are totally fictions. On the ot
her hand, the freedom of the owner or the creator would be severely harmed. Once
the law is implemented, rather than real criminals, individuals without crimina
l intent are punished. This is clearly beyond the scope of government authority.
Actually, perpetrators of child prostitution in Taiwan always tend to be given
lenient sentences (usually lower than four-year sentences), which incites great
anger among our citizens. I suppose it would be a better idea for the government
to deal with real-world child prostitutes rather than banning virtual artworks
that are not proven to be related.
Finally, whether the art works comply with the standard is totally decided by th
e government, regardless of the background or the character set of the works. Wi
thout any criteria, the policy will undoubtedly become the tool for the governme
nt to control the freedom of speech. For example, if an active user on a forum o
pposes an inappropriate policy the government wants to promulgate, which upsets
the government, then the government would be able to sue the user because the us
er has posted a picture of a child, which does not even have to be erotic in pub
lic view. This will gradually silence all the opinions against the government, a
nd severely undermine freedom of speech in the long term.
Despite all of the unjustified aspects of the policy, the government will still
hold a meeting to impose stricter regulations on virtual artworks on 21st, March
. Moreover, the whole meeting would be held privately, making all of us afraid t
hat the meeting will be rigged. That is why I write down and post this article.
I hope that we can supervise the government together, preventing it from going f
urther on the road of dictatorship.
Here are some of the Taiwanese people’s responses to this incident.
ACGN creator's rights promotion association:
https://www.facebook.com/ACGNCRPA/?
paipv=0&eav=AfbiMYSvAHueldor5H6Vbpu0kHv3Dn5gimkLEjGKmL9i1LNGBTR4UpBiTUcVzTbYvVk&
_rdr
ACGN creator’s issues forum:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuqokjptclQ&t=2s&a
b_channel=%E5%8B%95%E6%BC%AB%E5%B7%A5%E6%9C%83
* refer to
https://cbldf.org/2012/07/danish-report-discredits-link-between-cart
oons-and-child-sex-abuse/
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1F:推 LouisLEE: 不不不,牵扯到儿色,还是不要贴过去好了 03/16 23:52
2F:推 a125g: 不会== 他国事务 03/16 23:52
3F:→ class21535: 你知道全世界禁止虚拟儿色的的国家很多吗 持有也有罪 03/16 23:54
4F:→ grtfor: 换作是你,确定会管远在欧洲完全没听过小岛上面的事吗? 03/16 23:54
5F:推 laigeorge89: 别,那边一听到儿色这两个字就牙起来了 03/16 23:54
6F:推 asdf1944: 尼不知道reddit是左胶大本营吗? 03/16 23:55
7F:→ laigeorge89: 而且他们连自己都自身难保了,还可能引来脏东西介入 03/16 23:56
8F:→ jojojen: 歪果仁大多数反应:「泰国不意外」我猜这样吧 03/16 23:56
9F:→ Wilson310: 不要喔,你这样只会引来一堆外神 03/16 23:56
10F:→ asdf1944: 就算找到偏右翼的sub大概也懒得鸟黄猴岛的事情 03/16 23:57
11F:推 Matrones: 你翻成日文还比较有用,翻成英文是要助攻iwin是不是? 03/16 23:57
12F:推 PunkGrass: 欸 感觉你贴过去反而会帮iwin方增加队友喔 03/16 23:59
13F:→ PunkGrass: 小心到时他们直接拿支持他们的外国人言论背书 03/17 00:00
14F:→ hyChika: 了解,老实说自己原本对欧美那边也没抱很大期待只是我弟 03/17 00:02
15F:→ hyChika: 很想做点什麽所以还是试着写了QQ 感谢版友们指教~ 03/17 00:02
16F:推 necrophagist: 唯一能想到会有援军的是reddit/VisualNovels板 03/17 00:03
17F:→ F16V: 翻日文可能比较有用 03/17 00:07
18F:→ necrophagist: 不过你文章intro写太短 事件来龙去脉没先完整交代 03/17 00:07
19F:→ necrophagist: 就开始阐述反对理念 可能不会有很好效果 03/17 00:07
20F:推 Retangle: 你是想找SJW来出征吗 03/17 00:13
21F:→ hyChika: 感觉要完整交代会长到哭更没有人愿意看完哈哈哈,应该就 03/17 00:13
22F:→ hyChika: 先放弃了但还是感谢n大建议~ 03/17 00:13
23F:嘘 a123444556: 你找欧美干嘛?恩不里居那群人就是用欧美的抄来台湾诶? 03/17 00:17
24F:→ a123444556: ACG的最大队友就日本 早就已经找来当外援 03/17 00:18
25F:推 JUNOCARE: 欧美是恩不理居友军喔 03/17 00:38
26F:→ DarkKnight: 欧美:管不够严 不行 03/17 00:41
27F:推 zizc06719: 贴那没用== 而且反而会害到这边 03/17 00:48
28F:嘘 SonyXperiaZ3: 欧美普遍不了解ACG也系统性歧视ACG文化 强烈不建议 03/17 00:53
29F:推 yellowhow: 欧美就是这样的玩法,没用吧XD 03/17 01:31
30F:推 LiangNight: 他们参战打宅就好笑了 03/17 01:45
31F:推 sdd5426: 想告洋状喔 你以为人家鸟你一个东亚小岛在想什麽? 03/17 01:53
32F:推 XFarter: 上面有多少个真的有 Reddit 帐号的?怎麽看起来你们的叙 03/17 01:55
33F:→ XFarter: 述跟我知道的根本是平行世界? 03/17 01:55
34F:→ test23786: 欧美现在就对儿色很敏感,请鬼拿药单,不要看什麽中国 03/17 01:57
35F:→ test23786: 俄国推的法条欧美反对图卡这种误导性质的导致认为欧美 03/17 01:57
36F:→ test23786: 是队友,欧美说白只是政治上反对中俄推的法条但他们本 03/17 01:57
37F:→ test23786: 身就对儿色有意见的 03/17 01:57
38F:推 Luvsic: 他们会觉得现在iwin玩法很正常 03/17 02:02
39F:推 XFarter: 只能说楼上有些版友要造谣也造的像一点 光是 Reddit 的看 03/17 02:03
40F:→ XFarter: 板跟动漫有关的不计专版都至少五六个了 03/17 02:03
41F:→ test23786: 而且就算有支持他们连自己国内反儿色风气都控制不住了 03/17 02:09
42F:→ test23786: …… 要怎麽管到台湾去 03/17 02:09
43F:→ test23786: 看看精美都Gumroad 03/17 02:11
47F:→ XFarter: 以原 Po 的文章来说要发在 Reddit 没什麽问题,每个子板 03/17 02:15
48F:→ XFarter: (subreddit) 的声量跟风向其实差很多,但比较常上 Trendi 03/17 02:15
49F:→ XFarter: ng 的正常人其实为数绝对不是少数 03/17 02:15
50F:嘘 KangarooDad: 你他妈的有点国际观好吗? 03/17 04:36
51F:推 Sinreigensou: 欧美就是对儿色最敏感的 你这是送枪给iwin 03/17 06:59
52F:→ Sinreigensou: 唯一能找的只有日本 03/17 06:59
53F:推 kasim15: 美国就是一边爆发狂欢岛事件一边要打击二次元儿色的地方 03/17 08:19
54F:→ sunwell123: Reddit有满多二次元色图板的,那边也很多乡民啦 03/17 08:36
55F:嘘 john5568: 发到日本还有可能,欧美?这本来就在禁吧 03/17 08:40
56F:→ hyChika: X大这就是我一开始想问的,不过看其他版友反应也怕一个 03/17 09:01
57F:→ hyChika: 不慎让事情更复杂所以还是先算了,感谢X大建议~~ 03/17 09:01
58F:推 AirForce00: 说个讽刺一点的,你搞不好找大陆、俄罗斯网友还比较 03/17 09:22
59F:→ AirForce00: 有办法得到支持。尽管他们有儿色提案,但很明显是在 03/17 09:22
60F:→ AirForce00: 让其他欧美国家无法下台阶 03/17 09:22
61F:推 XFarter: 抱歉,我上面喷完以後忘记补上一个实质的建议了,话只说 03/17 09:29
62F:→ XFarter: 一半 03/17 09:29
63F:→ XFarter: 实际上各个板块的讨论风向都有差,且你去 Anime / Comic 03/17 09:29
64F:→ XFarter: 的讨论区大部分人都是正经讨论动漫画,政治偷渡梗不会像 03/17 09:29
65F:→ XFarter: 这里这麽多 03/17 09:29
66F:→ XFarter: 不过我认为值得去这些大板块先做一些 survey,目前我所知 03/17 09:29
67F:→ XFarter: 最有可能找到同温层支持者的是 r/manga 或 r/anime 版, 03/17 09:29
68F:→ XFarter: 前者就是标准的日漫讨论区也是最自由的 03/17 09:29
70F:→ XFarter: 你可以看一下过去赤松老师在上文被讨论的内容就大概知道 03/17 09:37
71F:→ XFarter: 了。 03/17 09:37
72F:→ XFarter: 只能说西恰喜欢造谣不查证的人是真的不少,看看之前小欧 03/17 09:37
73F:→ XFarter: 盟那篇文章就知道许多人只是靠刻板印象、风向感觉在讨论 03/17 09:37
74F:→ XFarter: 事情。(我没有把我自己完全排除在外) 03/17 09:37
75F:→ XFarter: 但总结就是我认为原Po既然都打这麽长了,我认为有监於上 03/17 09:38
76F:→ XFarter: 面的文章的成功案例,你应该尝试发发看。 03/17 09:38
77F:推 XFarter: 另外,由於 Reddit 的板跟文章实在太多,要找相关讨论的 03/17 09:44
78F:→ XFarter: 关键字蛮重要的,附上我认为您一定用得到的关键字: 03/17 09:44
79F:→ XFarter: political correctness, Artistic Freedom, Creative Fre 03/17 09:44
80F:→ XFarter: edom, SJW, creativity. 03/17 09:44
81F:→ XFarter: 其中 Creative Freedom 会是能找到最多符合原 Po 想找的 03/17 09:44
82F:→ XFarter: 讨论的选项。 03/17 09:44
83F:推 toulio81: 外国现在已经极端到歧视白人不是歧视了,并不是国外的 03/17 10:53
84F:→ toulio81: 或西方的就每件事都是好的 03/17 10:53
85F:→ hyChika: 感谢X大提供资讯~~看了一下r/manga的乡民确实都对创作自 03/17 20:13
86F:→ hyChika: 由相关议题相当友善,我先试着把文章修得更着重创作自由 03/17 20:13
87F:→ hyChika: 部分看看好了 03/17 20:13
88F:嘘 Reranx: 英文圈可是对儿色异常敏感的地方,你怎麽会想翻译成英文 03/17 20:31
89F:→ Castle88654: 你是不是乐子人啊? 03/17 23:28