http://0rz.tw/DiiUv 这是昨日放在路透社网站的一篇专栏 中後段主要以王建民为例 讨论到底该如何称呼他 对现今主流运动媒体称呼 Chien-Ming Wang 颇有抱不平之感 随手翻翻 也许不完全精准 但应该够阅读了 ------------------------------------------------------- What's in a Chinese Director's Name? Plenty! By Dan Bloom at TheWrap Thu Aug 18, 2011 9:13am EDT Hollywood is full of immigrants from Europe and Asia, not to mention Africa and South America -- but when it comes to the name game, what is the proper order for family names in English? 好莱坞挤满了来自欧亚的移民，更别说非洲或南美洲了 -- 但谈到名字，姓氏在英文中 究竟放哪好呢? Should we refer to Taiwanese director as Lee Ang (Mr. Lee is his formal name, being the descendant of a long line of Lees in China and Taiwan) or should we bow to convention and call him Ang Lee? 我们该称呼台湾导演"李安" (李先生是正式称呼，是中国大陆及台湾一长串的李氏後代) 还是约定成俗的称呼"安李"？ What do the credits on his early movies say? When he got an Oscar for "Brokeback Mountain," what did the inscription say: Ang Lee or Lee Ang? 早期作品中的制作群名单是怎麽称呼的？当他以"断背山"拿下奥斯卡时，介绍词写的是 安李还是李安？ And what about the actress Bai Ling: Should we write her name as Ling Bai? And is it Li Gong or Gong Li? Or Zhang Yiyi or Yiyi Zhang? 那女星白灵呢?我们该写成灵白吗？"巩俐"还是"俐巩"？"章子怡"还是"子怡章"？ What do the Hollywood trades have to say about proper name calling on the printed page and in movie credits? 好莱坞公司们又要如何在书页及电影制作群中称呼他呢？ Let me tell you something: ''Word order'' matters -- especially with Chinese and Taiwanese names when written or pronounced in English in the US or Europe. While Washington Nationals pitcher Wang Chien-ming is a famous name among US baseball fans, both the Washington Post and the New York Times now spell his name “Chien-ming Wang.” US radio and TV sports announcers also get his name order wrong. How can they get away with this affront to Taiwanese culture? 我想说的是：姓名顺序很重要--尤其当中国大陆或台湾名字必须在欧美用英文说写时。 虽然华盛顿国民队投手王建民在美国棒球迷中为人所知，华盛顿邮报及纽约时报现今都 将名字拼成"建民王"。美国广播和体育频道都把姓名搞反了。他们为何能如此不负责任的 冒犯台湾文化？ Newspaper editors in the US usually follow the naming style of a person’s country. So former president Lee Teng-hui is always referred to as “Lee Teng-hui” in the Times and the Post, and President Ma Ying-jeou is also shown respect by the US media, which writes and pronounces his name "Ma Ying-jeou,” and never “Ying-jeou Ma.” Have you ever seen Lee’s name written as “Teng-hui Lee” in the newspapers? 美国的报章编辑通常依循该人(被报导对象)的原国家称呼。因此前总统李登辉在纽时及 华盛顿邮报一直就被称"李登辉"，马英九也是被美国媒体称呼"马英九"而非"英九马"。 你有看过"登辉李"出现在报纸上吗？ Never. 没阿。 Former ROC president Chen Shui-bian was always referred to as “Chen Shui-bian,” and never as “Shui-bian Chen.” Newspapers in Washington or New York never called former ROC leader Chiang Kai-shek “Kai-shek Chiang,” did they? So why the relaxation of the rules with Wang Chien-ming? A name is a name, no matter what a person's profession. 前中华民国总统陈水扁也一直被称"陈水扁"，而非"水扁陈"。前领导人蒋介石也没被说成 "介石蒋"不是吗？那为什麽对王建民标准就不同呢？名字就是名字，不分职业。 I asked some prominent sports writers why Wang Chien-ming’s name has been reversed, starting with the Post sports writer Kilgore Adam -- also known as Adam Kilgore. I am still waiting for an answer. 我问了些知名的体育作家，为何王建民的名字被反过来写。从华盛顿邮报的Kilgore Adam 开始问 -- 你也可以称呼他 Adam Kilgore (XD)。我还在等他的回覆。 I also asked Amanda Comak at the Washington Times, who covers Wang’s career with the Nationals, and I am waiting for her answer as well. 我也问了华盛顿时报中，负责报导小王国民队生涯的Amanda Comak，也在等回覆。 When I asked an Associated Press (AP) reporter Christopher Duncan how the AP writes the name of former NBA player Yao Ming (姚明) — “Yao Ming” or “ Ming Yao”? -- he said by e-mail: “Yao Ming, and Yao on second reference, [and never Ming Yao].” 当我问美联社记者Christopher Duncan他们如何称呼前NBA球员"姚明"--姚明还是明姚？ 他用email回覆:姚明，其次是姚(但绝非明姚)。 Just two years ago, the name-concious New York Times published a news story by Taiwan-based stringer Jonathan Adams about a Taiwan baseball scandal, printing Wang’s name in the correct order: “Baseball will remain Taiwan’s national pastime, Lin said, because Taiwanese baseball heroes, like the New York Yankees pitcher Wang Chien-ming, continue to inspire younger generations. 两年前，对姓名很在意的纽时，驻台记者Jonathan Adams写了篇关於台湾职棒丑闻的文章 。里面小王的名字顺序就对了:"(林XX说)棒球仍会是台湾的余兴节目，因为台湾棒球英雄 ，例如纽约洋基队的王建民，持续的激励年轻世代" Today, however, the sports section of the Times puts Wang’s name in reverse order, calling him, despite all AP’s style rules to the contrary, “ Chien-ming Wang.” I wonder if the publisher of the Times, Sulzberger Punch, would in a pinch like to see his revered family name reversed? How about Bradlee Ben (er, Robards Jason) of "All the President's Men" movie fame? Would he stand for that? 然而今日，纽时的体育版又把小王的名字倒过来，即使美联社的习惯相反，仍称呼"建民 王"。我想知道纽时的编辑Sulzberger Punch，愿意在无选择余地下，将尊贵的姓氏反过 来吗？还是电影"大阴谋"中Robards Jason饰演的Bradlee Ben(注：水门案关键人物)？ 他愿意吗？ So Keller Bill and Kilgore Adam and Duncan Christopher and Comak Amanda in the US, what’s it going to be? Obama Barack might take an interest in this sporting brouhaha, too. Palin Sarah and McCain John, too. 那Keller Bill, Kilgore Adam, Duncan Christopher, Comak Amanda (注：全是反过来 写)可以吗？Obama Barack对这风波也许有兴趣。Palin Sarah和McCain John也许也会。 Most importantly, just why is Yao Ming’s name treated differently to Wang Chien-ming’s? 最重要的是，到底为何对姚明的称呼，和王建民不同？ A longtime Taiwanese resident of Washington, who is associated with the Formosan Association of Public Affairs, a Taiwan lobbying group, told me the other day: “American newspapers need to stick to a certain standard... for all people from Taiwan and China. The best way to call Wang Chien-ming is Wang Chien-ming ... not the other way around. 一位在华盛顿久住的台湾人(与台湾游说团体"台湾人公共事务会"有关系)告诉我： "美国报纸必须遵循某个原则...对两岸人民皆同。王建民最好的称呼方式就是王建民.. 不是反过来" "Although this naming order may be a little odd for American sports writers and baseball fans, this is also a good educational opportunity for people in the US to learn that other nationals may have different systems for writing their names in English. If Yao Ming is called Yao Ming by American sports writers, then Wang Chien-ming should be shown the same respect. It’s only fair — and natural.” "即使这种姓名顺序对美国体育作家和球迷怪怪的，对他们却也是机会教育，知道不同国 家的姓名系统可能不同。如果姚明在美国体育界被称姚明，那王建民就该同等对待。 这不仅公平，而且自然。" So, yes, let this be a teachable moment for all Americans and especially for US sports writers and Hollywood scribes as well. 所以让美国人，尤其是美国体育作家和好莱坞，趁此学些东西吧。 Take me out to the ballgame, yes, and I love Hollywood, too, but let's get the names correct. America is a globalized place now. Let's reflect that in the way we write ''our'' names. Take me out to the ballgame，好阿，我也喜欢好莱坞。但让我们把名字写对吧。 美国是个全球化的地方。让我们用写对名字反映这点。 By the way, I am not really "Dan Bloom." My name is a fiction, like many of "our" names. I am actually ''Dan Zembalist Ben Abraham de Kievivikus della Cracowblum'' -- but nobody wants to call me that anymore, except my mother! (这段不翻了XD) --

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