作者ZhenyaP (陆玖)
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标题Re: [网路] 卖给外国人东西到国外 有帐务问题
时间Fri Nov 11 07:11:19 2011
首先我得说,
所谓「我是某某国人,但是目前在奈及利亚,所以blah blah blah」
是已经很老而且很惯用的拍卖诈骗手法。
这些诈骗者要的并不是你的商品,而是钱。
我知道的版本就有:
1. 寄假的支票来支付费用,但是支票上面的金额就绝对会超过商品的价格,
然後再要求卖方将溢款汇还给他。
举例来说,东西要4000元,他就汇个10000元之类的,
然後再要你汇6000元回去给他。
等到你把所谓的溢款汇给他,
就会发现你手上那张10000元的支票根本不能兑现。
2. 以银行的名义寄来假的确认信,
表示他已经将钱汇过来了。
之後的手法相同,就是假设东西卖4000元,
信件就会表示他多汇了钱,请你将溢款还给他。
※ 引述《kinny79912 (亚连沃克)》之铭言:
: 首先 我是在香港的奇摩设卖场 卖了一件衣服出去 要寄去尼日
: 然後我跟他之间的对话 全是英文 我大概只有 8成懂 想说试试看
: 谈好价钱後 他迅速的汇钱过来
: 我收到来自 scotiabank 的两封信
我大致浏览了一下原PO贴上来的这几封信。
我不知道Scotiabank是否真的亲切到还会特地寄e-mail通知收款人,
不过说真的这几封信的用词(跟部分文法)并不太像正式的银行通知。
: 第一封
: Dear
: lai jyun cheng,
: We honor to inform you that the sum of (4460HKD)that was transferred to you
: from Mrs suzzy the buyer of your item, has been updated (4460HKD)to and
: transferred into the account details below
: ***BUYERS ACCOUNT DETAILS***
: Holders Name: Mrs Suzzy
: Account Number: XXXX1975
: Country: United Kingdom
: Email: [email protected]
: Your Payment has been Processed Successfully on your behalf and it remain
: the final process to Transfer your money into Your Bank Account, but before
: this we will need the POST OFFICE/EMS Tracking Number of the item before we
: can activate your bank account. Please do allow 12 to 24 hours to activated
: your bank account after verifying the shipment of the item to the buyer.
: This is how we work things out here,Concerning the payment For Goods and We
: do hope you will understand us well and Comprehend with us about our form of
: payment to Secure both the buyer and seller interest from any Type Of Risk
: and Fraudulent Practices that is Very Rampant Through Online Transactions.
: OUR TERMS AND CONDITIONS......
: We write to inform you of the readiness of this bank to make the transfer
: as soon as the shipment is made and verified .We urge you to please send to
: us the POST OFFICE/EMS scanned receipt of this shipment for a through
: verification.
: We have finished the procedure of the transferring of the full payment to
: your bank account , but you will need to ship the items out and send us the
: tracking number, for your shipment verification so that we can activate your
: bank account and the full payment will be transferred to your account from
: SCOTIA BANK® direct to your account.
: - Hide quoted text -
: This is our Information for buyer 1. You must know that once the payment
: has been made by the buyer the money now belongs to the seller and it will be
: transferred immediately to his or her account as soon as the seller follow
: our procedure.
: 2. Once shipment has been verified, the money will be delivered to seller
: account information given to us by you and hence from now on,You did not have
: control on the money paid by you to the seller as we are the one to handle
: everything yours is to receive your item, we are using this policy to protect
: both the seller and buyer from internet fraud.
: You can go ahead and ship out your buyer's item{s} and send SCOTIA BANK®
: the shipment tracking number in order to activate your bank account within
: the next 24 hours time and to finish the final process for us to transfer
: your full money into your bank account,you will receive your money as soon as
: you have send us the tracking number or a scanned copy of the shipment
: receipt ,You will have to ship the item to the shipping address provided by
: the buyer .
: ***PLEASE NOTE***
: Your bank account will be activated with the money immediately you
: send the shipment details and has been verified.This measure is taken in
: order to protect both seller and buyer interests and to reduce the occurrence
: of fraudulent activities.
: Also if you have any question you can contact the Dundee BANK ® direct with
: this email address for further enquiry through the following
: email:{[email protected]}
: ***ATTENTION***
: The order has been APPROVED, you Can now ship the merchandise to the buyer's
: shipping address. You are expected to make the shipment with 48 hours of
: receiving this Transfer Payment Approval Notification and get to our
: Transfer department/Technical Dept. with the tracking number for Shipment
: Verification.
: THANKS FOR USING SCOTIA BANK® ONLINE TRANSFER...............
: Email: [email protected]
: Scotia Line:+447024033148
: Thank you for using Scotia Bank.
: 中间还有表格写着我的帐号和 姓名和国家 当时他似乎勿把nt弄成hk因为本来是在香港卖
首先,这骗人的可能性太大了。
仔细想,Scotiabank何时管这麽宽,
你们拍卖过程当中何时寄出商品与该银行何关,
更别说什麽要等原PO把商品寄出/买家确认之後,
银行才会启动帐户.......
Scotiabank又为何需要拿原PO的邮件追踪号码......生意做很大?
还规定收到这封确认信之後48小时内得寄件.......?
: 第二封
: Dear
: Customer,
: We are hereby informing you that the Payment Confirmation which you
: received earlier is now approved and is ready to be released to your bank
: once you comply with this process. We will like you to know that we are
: expecting the shipment tracking number from you today. We advise you to go
: and make the shipment now.
: Go ahead with the Shipment of the item being ordered from you by our client
: (Mrs Suzzy) and send us the Shipment Tracking Number for the Shipment
: Verification.
: Once the shipment has been confirmed the total amount of {4460HKD} will be
: remitted to your bank, from Scotia Bank straight into your Bank Account. We
: hereby congratulate you for using Our Company for your online transfer We
: have received a transfer of the total amount {4460HKD}which was transfer to
: you by (Mrs Suzzy) for an auction items.
: The process which you will have to follow so that you can get your money are
: being stated below:
: [1]. Go ahead and Ship out the item ordered from you by our client.
^^^^^^^^^
从刚刚就一直"go ahead"的,哪家银行的确认信这麽口语......
: [2]. Send the Shipment Tracking Number to our us for the Shipment
: verification.
: [3]. You will have to be patient till when the Shipment Verification Process
: will be over which will take up to 24 Hours.
: [4]. Your account would be credited immediately the Shipment Verification
: Process is Over.
: So as soon as you follow up these process you have no problem with the
: Management and you will get your fund in your bank account easily and
: quickly. We wait for the shipment verifications Asap.
: 之後他要我先把东西寄给他 并给她收据图 以及 回信给scotiabank
: 似乎钱才会被激活 在此之前我不会收到钱
: 我觉得有点怪 又心想这可能是跨国买东西 不一样的做法吧
: 便硬着头皮去做
: 一切都成了之後
: 我收到第三封信
其实原PO可以先打电话给165......
: Dear
: Customer,
: We hereby confirmed that we have received the shipment Tracking number
: of the transaction between you and (Mrs gold suzzy) and we will proceed with
: the shipment verification,so as soon as we can confirm the shipment we will
: transfer the total sum of the amount into your account within 6-12hrs,so we
: want you to know that,we will notify you as soon as we are through with the
: shipment verification.. Once again, thanks for choosing scotia bank as your
: online auction payment.
: Duly at your service
: THANKS FOR USING SCOTIA BANK® ONLINE SERVICES...............
: Email:[email protected]
: Scotia Line:+447024033148
: Thank you for using Scotia Bank.
: Richard E. Waugh President &
: Chief Executive Officer
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
原PO进行拍卖交易,跟Scotiabank的
CEO(执行长)Richard E. Waugh有什麽关系?
再说那个e-mail看起来也不像是正式的帐号。
: 那时他似乎是跟我说 我半天 内会收到钱 我就去睡午觉了期中考很累...
: 谁知我半夜醒来想读书就听到 他钱似乎汇错了 汇了19000nt过来
: 算算4460hk似乎就差不多是这价钱
: 他便要我退回15200 过去 但是我并没有收到钱 他辩解说
: 钱现在是被他们那不知道啥机构冻结住了 问邮局银行也没用 因为根本还没入帐
: 他要我去生15200退回去 我才能拿到他们的19000
: 我回说 我现在没钱 而且我不可能为了3000多块钱 汇10000多块给陌生人
: 他跟我说这样 scotiabank 的人可能会通知台湾的警察@@(我也不知哪个点)
: (原本的4400多港币是误会应是4400多台币後来因为运送方式改变 变成3800台币 )
无论是不是诈骗,原PO毕竟没有收到钱,
没有道理钱没收到就要退溢款给对方。
钱被冻住了又不是原PO搞的,
是对方那边的啥机构弄的,
要追究也是先追究那边吧(茶)。
如果钱真的有入帐,原PO再来烦恼也不迟。
: 而後我收到最後一封信
: YOU ARE SAFE AND SECURED WITH US
: Dear
: Valued Customer,
: We want to inform you that (Suzzy) has made additional payment to your
: Account, This Additional payment has been Approved (NT19,000) and we will
: like to know if we should make the payment to your Account in HKD ,Please you
: will have to send the amount of (NT14,540) which has been added to your
: money by (Suzzy) to her client using WESTERN UNION MONEY TRANSFER according
: to her instruction and contact us back with the scan western union receipt
: today so that your account can be activated with (NT19,000)
: immediately.please kindly update us so that we can proceed with the payment
: to your account immediately.
这段还满妙的。
Scotiabank还管到西联?XDDDDD
而且信里说原PO得将台币一万四千多透过西联汇给Suzzy,
然後还得扫一份西联收据给Scotiabank,
这样Scotiabank才会启动那个有一万九千元的帐户。
先说寄件了就启动帐户,
现在又说西联汇款了就启动帐户......
究竟何时才会启动这个不知道存不存在的帐户呢.......
而且既然帐户还没启动,
Suzzy(买方?)直接从她那边取消这笔交易/汇款就好啦,
之後再重新汇一次正确的金额过来就行了。
这封信应该是诈骗集团紧张说原PO可能察觉到不对劲,快要跑了,
所以才又捏造过来催促的e-mail。
: Scotia Bank is sorry for the inconvenience this might have caused you.
: Western Union Address Details
: Name- okoruwa peter
: City- Ibadan
: State- Oyo
: Country- Nigeria
: Zip Code- 23402
: Question-What is your colour
: Answer-White
: 似乎他们要我去银行 生15220去西联汇款 不是14540是因为之前运费的更改
: 之後半夜就有个外人打来 啪啪啪的讲了一大堆 我一个字都听不懂所以就挂了
: 我觉得这可能是诈骗的手段 跟我交涉的女性 是英国人 但他现在人似乎在奈及利亚
: 可是我不知道我就这样不管他 是不是真的会有警察来 也不知道会有怎样的麻烦
: 我东西是昨天寄的 我还有方 法把他拦截吗?
: 想听听版上大大们的意见
: 真的是感谢了 在这多事之秋 晚点还要去打电话 问问邮局和165之类
原PO还是打个电话给邮局跟165,算是换个心安吧。(拍拍)
我是倾向於认为这是诈骗,
因为怎麽看,这几封信捏造的成分都很高,
一些似是而非的「银行规定/手续」,
更别说又有关键字「奈及利亚」。
祝福原PO顺利躲过这风波。
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1F:推 rosequeen:推你用心 应该来选板主XD 11/11 22:11
只是鸡婆而已囧>
2F:推 kinny79912:感谢您 我已在po文当晚把事情run一遍了 应已都解决 11/12 01:33
3F:→ kinny79912:就是 只懂英文大概的意思 不懂细节 才会误信诈骗QQ 11/12 01:34
请让我说声恭喜!
也真亏原PO警觉心强,要不然事态还不知道要怎麽发展。
※ 编辑: ZhenyaP 来自: 220.141.49.18 (11/12 02:05)
4F:推 kinny79912:也是赔了400多的邮资呀 ! 不过真算小钱了! 11/12 02:12
5F:→ kinny79912:再呆也不会为了3000多啥都不问汇1万多给人谢谢您回文! 11/12 02:13
6F:推 kinny79912:发现一件很罕古的事 我一直以为NIGERIA 是尼日因为 11/12 02:28
7F:→ kinny79912:GOOGLE翻尼日利亚= = 冏了! 11/12 02:28