作者rivers369 (半睡半醒)
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标题Re: 禅思练习──诸法无常--梭巴仁波切
时间Wed Sep 8 23:46:04 2010
: 推 rivers369:阿罗汉确实是佛陀的称号之一啊! 这真的没什麽好吵的... 09/08 23:28
: → rivers369:至於是不是公认的十号,这更没什麽好争的,你高兴可以再多 09/08 23:30
: → rivers369:几个名实相符的称号也没关系啊! 至於阿罗汉为佛陀称号的 09/08 23:31
: → rivers369:经典依据,随便google一下就有了,不用再贴上来了吧? 09/08 23:32
: → rivers369:增一阿含里头,佛陀度化五比丘时,曾说过他是第六个阿罗汉 09/08 23:33
: 推 EVA010200:请rivers369列出经文做为佐证,都听你在讲哩? 09/08 23:39
: → EVA010200:请rivers369以佛典经文为依归,谁知道你讲的是不是真的 09/08 23:40
: → EVA010200:拿出佛典原文的证据来吧 09/08 23:41
【经录部类】〔阿含部类〕〔阿含部〕
【经文资讯】大正新修大藏经 第二册 No. 125《增壹阿含经》CBETA 电子佛典 V1.63 普
及版
# Taisho Tripitaka Vol. 2, No. 125 增壹阿含经, CBETA Chinese Electronic
Tripitaka V1.63, Normalized Version
T02n0125_p0615a03(00)║
T02n0125_p0615a04(00)║
T02n0125_p0615a05(00)║增壹阿含经卷第十四
T02n0125_p0615a06(00)║
T02n0125_p0615a07(00)║ 东晋罽宾三藏瞿昙僧伽提婆译
T02n0125_p0615a08(00)║ 高幢品第二十四之一
略
T02n0125_p0618a27(00)║ (五) 闻如是: 一时,佛在摩竭国道场树下,
T02n0125_p0618a28(01)║初始得佛。 尔时,世尊便作是念:
T02n0125_p0618a29(06)║「我今以得此甚深之法,难解、难了、难晓、难知,
T02n0125_p0618b01(04)║极微极妙智所觉知,
T02n0125_p0618b02(13)║我今当先与谁说法?使解吾法者是谁?」尔时,世尊便作是念
:
T02n0125_p0618b03(06)║「罗勒迦蓝诸根纯熟,应先得度,又且待我有法。」
T02n0125_p0618b04(02)║作此念已,虚空中有天白世尊曰:
T02n0125_p0618b05(06)║「罗勒迦蓝死已七日。」 是时,世尊复作念曰:「何其苦哉
,
T02n0125_p0618b06(01)║不闻吾法,而取命终;设当闻吾法者,
T02n0125_p0618b07(03)║即得解脱。」是时,世尊复作是念:「我今先与谁说法,
T02n0125_p0618b08(00)║使得解脱?今郁头蓝弗先应得度,
T02n0125_p0618b09(02)║当与说之,闻吾法已,先得解脱。」世尊作是念,
T02n0125_p0618b10(01)║虚空中有天语言:「昨日夜半,以取命终。」是时,
T02n0125_p0618b11(00)║世尊便作是念:「郁头蓝弗何其苦哉!
T02n0125_p0618b12(02)║不闻吾法,而取命过;设得闻吾法者,即得解脱。」
T02n0125_p0618b13(00)║尔时,世尊复作是念:「谁先闻法而得解脱?」
T02n0125_p0618b14(00)║是时,世尊重更思惟:「五比丘多所饶益,
T02n0125_p0618b15(02)║我初生时,追随吾後。」是时,世尊复作是念:
T02n0125_p0618b16(04)║「今五比丘竟为所在?」即以天眼观五比丘,
T02n0125_p0618b17(03)║乃在波罗[木*奈]仙人鹿园所止之处。
T02n0125_p0618b18(08)║「我今当往先与五比丘说法,闻吾法已,当得解脱。」 尔时
,
T02n0125_p0618b19(02)║世尊七日之中熟视道树,目未曾眴。尔时,
T02n0125_p0618b20(02)║世尊便说此偈:
T02n0125_p0618b21(00)║「我今此坐处, 经历生死苦,
T02n0125_p0618b22(00)║执御智慧斧, 永断根元栽。
T02n0125_p0618b23(00)║天王来至此, 及诸魔怨属,
T02n0125_p0618b24(00)║复以方便降, 令着解脱冠。
T02n0125_p0618b25(00)║今於此树下, 坐於金刚床,
T02n0125_p0618b26(00)║以获一切智, 逮无所碍慧。
T02n0125_p0618b27(00)║我坐此树下, 见生死之苦,
T02n0125_p0618b28(00)║已却死元本, 老病永无余。」
T02n0125_p0618b29(00)║尔时,世尊说此偈已,便从坐起而去,
T02n0125_p0618c01(02)║欲向波罗[木*奈]国。 是时,
T02n0125_p0618c02(10)║优毘伽梵志遥见世尊光色炳然,翳日月明,见已,白世尊曰:
「瞿昙!
T02n0125_p0618c03(01)║
T02n0125_p0618c04(19)║师主今为所在?为依何人出家学道?恒喜说何法教?为从何来
?为欲所至?」 尔时,
T02n0125_p0618c05(03)║世尊向彼梵志,而说此偈:
T02n0125_p0618c06(00)║「
我成阿罗汉, 世间最无比,
^^^^^^^^^^
希望不会有人把这解释为:
佛陀虽然说他成为阿罗汉,但他没说他是阿罗汉喔!
南无国小国中高中大学国文老师
T02n0125_p0618c07(00)║天及世间人, 我今最为上。
T02n0125_p0618c08(00)║我亦无师保, 亦复无与等,
T02n0125_p0618c09(00)║独尊无过者, 冷而无复温。
T02n0125_p0618c10(00)║今当转法轮, 往诣加尸邦,
T02n0125_p0618c11(00)║今以甘露药, 开彼盲冥者。
T02n0125_p0618c12(00)║波罗[木*奈]国界, 加尸国王土,
T02n0125_p0618c13(00)║五比丘住处, 欲说微妙法。
T02n0125_p0618c14(00)║使彼早成道, 及得漏尽通,
T02n0125_p0618c15(00)║以除恶法元, 是故最为胜。」
T02n0125_p0618c16(00)║时,彼梵志叹吒,俨头叉手,弹指含笑,
T02n0125_p0618c17(02)║引道而去。 时,世尊往诣波罗[木*奈]。是时,
T02n0125_p0618c18(04)║五比丘遥见世尊来,见已各共论议:
T02n0125_p0618c19(08)║「此是沙门瞿昙从远而来,情性错乱,心不专精。
T02n0125_p0618c20(05)║我等勿复共语,亦莫起迎,亦莫请坐。」 尔时,
T02n0125_p0618c21(05)║五人便说此偈:
T02n0125_p0618c22(00)║「此人不应敬, 亦莫共亲视,
T02n0125_p0618c23(00)║勿复称善来, 亦莫请使坐。」
T02n0125_p0618c24(00)║尔时,五人说此偈已,皆共默然。尔时,
T02n0125_p0618c25(03)║世尊至五比丘所,渐渐欲至。时,五比丘渐起来迎,
T02n0125_p0618c26(01)║或与敷座者,或与取水者。尔时,
T02n0125_p0618c27(05)║世尊即前就坐,作是思惟:「此是愚痴之人,
T02n0125_p0618c28(05)║竟不能全其本限。」尔时,五比丘称世尊为卿,是时,
T02n0125_p0618c29(02)║世尊告五比丘曰:「汝等莫卿无上至真.等正觉。
T02n0125_p0619a01(00)║所以然者,我今已成无上至真.等正觉,
T02n0125_p0619a02(01)║已获甘露善。自专念,听吾法语。」 尔时,
T02n0125_p0619a03(03)║五比丘白世尊曰:「瞿昙!本苦行时,
T02n0125_p0619a04(06)║尚不能得上人之法,况复今日意情错乱,言得道乎?」
T02n0125_p0619a05(02)║ 世尊告曰:「云何,五人!汝等曾闻吾妄语乎?」
T02n0125_p0619a06(02)║ 五比丘曰:「不也。瞿昙!」 世尊告曰:「如来.
T02n0125_p0619a07(05)║等正觉已得甘露,汝等悉共专心,听吾说法。」是时,
T02n0125_p0619a08(03)║世尊便复作是念:「我今堪任降此五人。」 是时,
T02n0125_p0619a09(02)║世尊告五比丘:「汝等当知,有此四谛。
T02n0125_p0619a10(05)║云何为四?苦谛、苦习谛、苦尽谛、苦出要谛。
T02n0125_p0619a11(05)║彼云何名为苦谛?所谓生苦、老苦、病苦、死苦、忧悲恼苦、
T02n0125_p0619a12(01)║愁忧苦痛,不可称记。怨憎会苦、恩爱别苦、
T02n0125_p0619a13(01)║所欲不得,亦复是苦,取要言之,五盛阴苦,
T02n0125_p0619a14(02)║是谓苦谛。 「云何苦习谛?所谓受爱之分,
T02n0125_p0619a15(02)║习之不惓,意常贪着,是谓苦习谛。
T02n0125_p0619a16(06)║「彼云何苦尽谛?能使彼爱灭尽无余,亦不更生,
T02n0125_p0619a17(03)║是谓苦尽谛。
T02n0125_p0619a18(17)║「彼云何名为苦出要谛?所谓贤圣八品道。所谓等见、等治、
等语、等业、等命、
T02n0125_p0619a19(01)║等方便、等念、等定。是谓名为四谛之法。 「然复,
T02n0125_p0619a20(00)║五比丘!此四谛之法,苦谛者眼生、智生、明生、
T02n0125_p0619a21(00)║觉生、光生、慧生,本未闻法。复次,苦谛者,实、
T02n0125_p0619a22(00)║定,不虚不妄,终不有异;世尊之所说,
T02n0125_p0619a23(02)║故名为苦谛。苦习谛者,本未闻法,眼生、智生、
T02n0125_p0619a24(01)║明生、觉生、光生、慧生。复次,苦习谛者,实、定,
T02n0125_p0619a25(01)║不虚不妄,终不有异;世尊之所说,
T02n0125_p0619a26(04)║故名为苦习谛,苦尽谛者,本未闻法,眼生、智生、明生、
T02n0125_p0619a27(00)║觉生、慧生、光生。复次,苦尽谛者,实、定,
T02n0125_p0619a28(03)║不虚不妄,终不有异;世尊之所说,故名为苦尽谛。
T02n0125_p0619a29(00)║苦出要谛者,本未闻法,眼生、智生、明生、觉生、
T02n0125_p0619b01(00)║光生、慧生。复次,苦出要谛者,实、定,不虚不妄,
T02n0125_p0619b02(00)║终不有异;世尊之所说,故名为苦出要谛。
T02n0125_p0619b03(00)║「五比丘当知,此四谛者,三转十二行,
T02n0125_p0619b04(02)║如实不知者,则不成无上正真.等正觉。
T02n0125_p0619b05(03)║以我分别此四谛三转十二行,如实知之.
T02n0125_p0619b06(03)║是故成无上至真.等正觉。」 尔时,说此法时,
T02n0125_p0619b07(03)║阿若拘邻诸尘垢尽,得法眼净。 是时,
T02n0125_p0619b08(05)║世尊告拘邻曰:「汝今以逮法、得法?」 拘邻报曰:「如是
。
T02n0125_p0619b09(01)║世尊!以得法、逮法。」 是时,地神闻此语已,
T02n0125_p0619b10(01)║作是唱:「今如来在波罗[木*奈]国转法轮。诸天、
T02n0125_p0619b11(00)║世人、魔、若魔天、人及非人所不能转者,
T02n0125_p0619b12(02)║今日如来转此法轮,阿若拘邻已得甘露之法。」
T02n0125_p0619b13(00)║是时,四天王从地神闻唱令声,复传告曰:
T02n0125_p0619b14(00)║「阿若拘邻以得甘露之法。」 是时,
T02n0125_p0619b15(05)║三十三天复从四天王闻,艳天从三十三天闻,
T02n0125_p0619b16(03)║乃至兜术天展转闻声,乃至梵天亦复闻声:
T02n0125_p0619b17(03)║「如来在波罗[木*奈]转法轮,诸天、世人、魔、若魔天、
T02n0125_p0619b18(01)║人及非人所不转者,今日如来转此法轮。」
T02n0125_p0619b19(01)║尔时,便名为阿若拘邻。 尔时,世尊告五比丘:
T02n0125_p0619b20(02)║「汝等二人住受教诲,三人乞食,三人所得食者,
T02n0125_p0619b21(00)║六人当共食之;三人住受教诲,
T02n0125_p0619b22(04)║二人往乞食,二人所得食者,六人当取食之。」
T02n0125_p0619b23(03)║尔时教诲,此时成无生涅盘法,亦成无生、无病、无老、
T02n0125_p0619b24(00)║无死。是时,五比丘尽成阿罗汉。是时,
T02n0125_p0619b25(03)║三千大千刹土有五阿罗汉,佛为第六。
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1F:→ EVA010200:这篇文,并没有说阿罗汉是佛的十号之一 09/08 23:47
2F:→ rivers369:我从头到尾只说阿罗汉为佛陀称号之一,如果连这个意思都 09/08 23:48
3F:→ rivers369:看不懂,那我也没办法了,这可能得问国小还是国中老师.. 09/08 23:49
4F:推 EVA010200:这个讨论串,一开始就是在讲佛的十号,拜托 09/08 23:49
5F:→ EVA010200:这篇经文,有明说阿罗汉是佛的十号之一吗? 09/08 23:50
6F:→ rivers369:至於SkyElder原文也是指佛陀也是阿罗汉之一,称呼佛陀为 09/08 23:50
7F:→ rivers369:阿罗汉没有任何不妥... 09/08 23:50
8F:→ EVA010200:我听你在讲,SkyElder明明就说阿罗汉是佛的十号之一 09/08 23:51
9F:→ EVA010200:要不要重播SkyElder的话,我重播270次也没关系 09/08 23:52
10F:→ rivers369:应供的梵语就是阿罗汉,h板友也回了....无论在语言方面, 09/08 23:52
11F:→ rivers369:或是实意方面,都没有争议点才是! 至於是否要那麽执着於 09/08 23:53
12F:→ rivers369:刚好十种称号,16进位就不行吗? 这是个人喜好,经典证据我 09/08 23:54
13F:→ rivers369:也浪费资源地重贴一次了,不再多做辩论.... 09/08 23:55
14F:推 EVA010200:这篇文没有说阿罗汉是佛十号之一,请勿做过度解读,谢谢 09/08 23:56
15F:→ EVA010200:而且,这篇经文,佛陀并没有亲口说他是第六阿罗汉!!! 09/08 23:58
16F:→ EVA010200:佛陀并没有『亲口』说他是第六阿罗汉!!!!!!!!! 09/08 23:59
17F:→ EVA010200:请你把经文看清楚一点 09/08 23:59
18F:→ EVA010200:跟你rivers369讲的,并不一样 09/09 00:00
19F:→ EVA010200:请你看清楚一点,好不好? 09/09 00:00
※ 编辑: rivers369 来自: 123.204.56.160 (09/09 00:29)
20F:→ pds1:应供就是阿罗汉。 09/09 01:07