作者luguei (Steven Weinberg fan)
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标题[情报] Braves traded Gosselin for 2 Pitchers
时间Sun Jun 21 12:26:49 2015
(更新: 附上相关推特文於後) (再更新: Braxton Davidson 发推欢迎前队友)
#VoteBraves @Braves
Braves acquire
RHP Bronson Arroyo and
minor league RHP Touki Toussaint from
Diamondbacks in exchange for
infielder Phil Gosselin.
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#VoteBraves @Braves
Toussaint, who turned 19 today, is 2-2 with a 3.69 ERA in 7 games for Kane
County (A). He was the
D'Backs no. 5 prospect (Baseball America)
ps.
2014 1st round pick of DBacks, No.16 overall
季前 BA No.71 prospect
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#VoteBraves @Braves
Arroyo, on the 60-Day DL as he recovers from “Tommy John” surgery
last July 15, went 7-4 w/ a 4.08 ERA (39 ER/86.0 IP) in 14 starts in 2014
ps. Expected to be back mid-August.
可以先发可以中继, 到时候再决定
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这桩交易是蛇蛇的 salary dump,
勇士这边主要是负责吃掉 Arroyo 今年剩下薪水和明年的 buyout,
扣掉 Gosselin 今年剩下薪水的话大概是 9.75 mil (~ 10 mil)
可是重点是
勇士拿到 Toussaint!
2014 选秀时勇士对他评价十分高.
高层认为负责吃薪水和出 Gosselin,
就可以拿到一直让他们流口水的 pitching prospect, 相当值得.
个人观点: 不是 John Hart 太强就是 DBacks GM Dave Stewart 不知道在想什麽
补充: 花 10 mil 买一个 19 岁, 高天花板,
stuff 被认为可能是去年选秀中最好,
已经在 Low-A 开始职业生涯的 pitching prospect 贵不贵?
有些推特上的说法非常切中要点:
(1) 如果 Toussaint 是个有同样天分的 19 岁古巴/拉美/亚洲小子的话,
10 mil 够把他签下来吗? 市场行情显示不行.
(2) 在这个国内选秀签约金、国际自由球员市场签约金都有上限的年代,
还有什麽比这个更不损及球队往後 bonus pool 的买法?
Toussaint 当然有可能养不起来, 但 pitching prospect 就是如此;
投资一定有风险, 新秀投资有赚有赔, 交易前应详阅公开说明书.
以下是这次交易相关的 Tweet 海
Ben Badler @BenBadler (National Writer, Baseball America)
The D-Backs sold Touki Toussaint for $10 million, five months after
paying
$16 million (with tax) for Yoan Lopez, who is not as good.
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Ben Badler @BenBadler
Not only that, but the D-Backs have the top international bonus pool.
Signing Lopez prevents them any signings above $300K for two years.
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Ben Badler @BenBadler
Meanwhile, the Braves paid $10 million to add a Top 100 prospect and
might blitz the international market in 2016. Way better strategy.
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Kevin McAlpin @KevinMcAlpin (Reporter, BravesRadioNet)
Coppolella on Tuissaint "he was a guy we really liked in the 2014 draft.
We had pick 31, he was long gone by then. We had him in our top 10"
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Kevin McAlpin @KevinMcAlpin
Coppolella on Arroyo: "could fill a swing role, he could start,
he could pitch out of the pen in short bursts. Right now, too early to say"
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Kevin McAlpin @KevinMcAlpin
Coppolella: "as we try to build for the current as well as the future,
we felt it was a good mix and well worth it for us"
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Kevin McAlpin @KevinMcAlpin
Coppolella referred to Toussaint a "huge, huge piece for the future"
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Kevin McAlpin @KevinMcAlpin
Coppolella on Toussaint: "All the trades we've made, we've tried to get
upside arms and we feel like he falls into that category"
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Mark Bowman @mlbbowman (Braves Beat Writer, MLB.com)
Braves assistant GM John Coppolella on the trade: "We felt the payoff down
the line would be too good to just let it go."
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Mark Bowman @mlbbowman
The #Braves have discussed Toussaint for more than a month. But he because
he was a '14 draftee, he wasn't trade eligible until June 12
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Touki Toussaint™@_YoSoy_Touki (生日快乐! 欢迎来到勇士球团)
Thank you @Dbacks everything you guys have done for my family and I. The
memories made this past year are unforgettable. I appreciate it!
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Touki Toussaint™ @_YoSoy_Touki
Signing my first professional contract on my birthday in 2014 w/@Dbacks to
now getting traded to the @Braves 2015.
#LaFamilia.
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Braxton Davidson @B_Davidson06 (表示在 Rome 等着他)
Glad that my boy @_YoSoy_Touki is a @Braves now! Welcome to the club bro!
#teammatesonceagain
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Carlos Collazo @CarlosACollazo (Associate Reporter, MLB.com)
During the 14 draft, @BaseballAmerica said Toussaint had
"arguably the highest ceiling of any high school pitcher." Stuff is insane.
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Hudson Belinsky @hudsonbelinsky
Toussaint had solid numbers for Kane County. #Dbacks had taken away his
curveball, a potential plus-plus pitch, and FB/CH command improved.
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Carlos Collazo @CarlosACollazo
Here's a recent MiLB story on Toussaint's progress with Kane County.
Good stuff from Curt Rallo:
http://t.co/2z4rUr1iPd
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Carlos Collazo @CarlosACollazo
Coppolella also said that they saw Toussaint pitch last night and
were impressed with his changeup.
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Carlos Collazo @CarlosACollazo
The $$ involved in this trade was worth it because #Braves could
"get a guy who had arguably the very best stuff in the 2014 draft" - Coppy
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Carlos Collazo @CarlosACollazo
Basically, Touki has three potential plus pitches (if not two already)
as 19-year-old. If he can improve the command... watch out.
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JJ Cooper @jjcoop36 (Managing Editor, Baseball America)
To say this trade makes no sense for the Diamondbacks is borderline obvious.
Braves just bought a first-round arm at close to no other cost.
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JJ Cooper @jjcoop36
For the Braves? Easy slam dunk. Take on some salary and trade away
an inf who doesn't fit in their plans for a great arm? Sure.
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JJ Cooper @jjcoop36
If MLB was a league with a salary cap I could understand this deal.
It's not. There is no upside to this deal if you are a Dbacks fan.
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JJ Cooper @jjcoop36
Is there a chance Touki doesn't put it together? Sure. But he would have gone
higher if he was draft eligible this year. Wow.
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keithlaw @keithlaw
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA #dbacks
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Arizona Diamondbacks @Dbacks
Stew: "With this year's draft we stacked our minor league system with college
guys" who are ahead of Touki Toussaint on depth chart.
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keithlaw @keithlaw
Stew had the depth chart upside-down
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1F:推 fountainNess: 怎麽想都是你勇赚,我蛇在推特狂被酸 06/21 12:28
2F:→ tucker : 给我的感觉很像是MVP电动为了省钱才有的交易 06/21 12:43
3F:→ LiFePO4 : 超爽 换来去年第一轮XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD 06/21 12:44
4F:推 shantaram : 而且不用签约金 XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD 06/21 12:49
5F:推 MKAngelheart: 用Gosselin换到第一轮 蛇蛇又被鬼打到了吗 06/21 13:00
6F:推 EvanGattis : 太爽了吧 06/21 13:02
7F:推 Roawen : God!! 这只是ace potential耶 但看起来养得没很顺利 06/21 13:06
8F:→ Roawen : 才19岁 斧头的农场 养得起来吗??? 06/21 13:06
9F:→ luguei : 蛇蛇球团去年到今年把他plus-plus的曲球封印, 06/21 13:42
10F:→ luguei : 要他增强他 FB/CH 的 command, 成效好像不错 06/21 13:43
11F:→ luguei : 精确地说, 是 potential plus-plus curveball 06/21 13:44
12F:推 Braves95 : 推 John Hart 06/21 13:51
13F:推 Roawen : 他们那堆大学手臂 一球都还没在职业赛投过 就知道 06/21 14:30
14F:→ Roawen : ahead of TT on depth chart 也真够有信心der! 06/21 14:31
15F:推 usausausa : 又可以找到颁"惠我良多"匾额的球队罗 06/21 14:52
16F:推 bigmowang : Arroyo约是到今年吗?不然说不定明年多赚只工作马 06/21 15:05
17F:→ luguei : 明年 13 mil,4.5 mil buyout,太贵,应该会直接buyout 06/21 15:08
18F:→ JustinIdiot : 他没这麽好啦…不过2号可以期待 06/21 15:42
19F:推 Roawen : 我是看BA 2015写的 06/21 15:43
20F:推 bravefan : 没想到要重建再省钱的我们还会帮别对吃薪水?@@ 06/21 15:48
22F:→ bravefan : 看到这些推特好像真的有机会赚到一个ACE耶! 06/21 15:49
23F:→ luguei : 我不清楚勇士在 Liberty Media 下的财务模式, 06/21 15:49
24F:→ luguei : 不过如果没记错的话, 财务独立, 自给自足, 06/21 15:50
25F:→ luguei : 每年结算. 如果是每年结算的话,今年省下的钱不见得 06/21 15:51
26F:→ luguei : 可以挪到明年用, 如果明年的预算和今年的收益无关, 06/21 15:52
27F:→ luguei : 那重建年吃吃薪水无妨, 反正731应该不会朝大咖下手 06/21 15:53
28F:→ tucker : Keith Law的tweet也真是XDDDD 06/21 17:15
29F:→ luguei : 有人认为下任蛇蛇GM的合约应该这样开头: 06/21 18:42
※ 编辑: luguei (111.243.24.59), 06/21/2015 19:15:06
31F:推 Smoltzy : XDDDDD 06/21 19:09
32F:推 synchron : 这曲球有点恶心啊… 06/21 23:00
33F:推 opqasd : 没想到勇士也有付钱就可以拿prospect的一天 06/22 00:28