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Different Process, Same Results for Andrelton Simmons by Drew Fairservice - August 29, 2014 http://shar.es/1aXGPZ “With his defense, he doesn’t need to do much at the plate” is a common refrain heard in regards to the best defensive players in the game. Elite players at premium positions get a lot of rope, so valuable is their glove work. Especially at key, up-the-middle positions, the offensive bar is set so low that any contribution from the game’s best defenders can be considered a bonus. "金手套球员只要带手套上班就好了,没带棒子没关系。" 中线防守球员由於防守难度高,他们的手套更显得值钱。也因此,他们在 进攻端的任何贡献都算是额外的收获。 In 2013, Andrelton Simmons was among the most productive players in baseball, thanks to his beyond-superlative defense. To the surprise of many, Simmons also slugged 17 home runs, offsetting his struggles to get on base to produce a nearly-league average season. His 91 wRC+ surpassed the average shortstop last season, which is a recipe for a successful season. If you hit better than most of the peers while definitely fielding better than most of your peers, you’re doing something right. 2013年,Andrelton Simmons 是联盟中最有贡献的球员之一,除了他经典般的防守, 令人讶异的,他还打了17发全垒打,稍稍弥补他略低於联盟平均的上垒率,但他的 wRC+ 值为91,仍高於联盟游击手的平均水准(85),对 Simmons 而言这是个成功的 球季。如果你在攻守两端都比你的竞争对手好,那就对了。 As 2014 began, Simmons and the Braves were clearly not content with his production levels and vowed to change him, to bring his swing under control and make him a more complete hitter. In June, Braves hitting coach Greg Walker explained to the Atlanta Journal-Constitution that it was a matter of identity for Simmons, one he needed to adjust. “You’ve got to make a decision on what type hitter you want to be. Do you want to be low-average guy, a power guy, and deal with a lot of failure?” 当2014年球季开始,Simmons 与勇士球团显然都不满足於现况并决定做些改变: 要求他的挥棒,让他变成更好的打者。勇士队打击教练 Greg Walker 在六月份 一篇AJC上的访谈当中曾提到,Simmons 必须有所调整,这对他很重要。 "你必须思考,你想成为哪一种类型的打者。难道你想成为一个低打击率,空有力量, 最後只有失败的球员吗?" That quote comes from June, and now here on the doorstop of September the question remains mostly unanswered – what kind of hitter does Simmons want to be? It is clear what kind of hitter the Braves want him to be. Going pull-crazy and swinging out of his shoes is not their view of success for their prized shortstop. In the above-linked piece, Walker makes mention of Simmons ability to use the whole field in 2014, praising his contact skills. 只是这个问题从六月开始,到目前即将进入九月,Simmons 似乎还没找到答案, 然而球团依旧采取既定目标。"我们不乐见我们的金手套游击手一昧的全力拉击, 这无法让他获得成功。Walker 提醒 Simmons:"在2014这整个球季里,尽力去提昇 自己打到球的能力吧。" The process appears to be different but, for now, the results are all but the same. Comparing his numbers from 2013 to this campaign, the difference between Reckless Abandon Andrelton and Whole Field Andrelton is slight. 两个不同的养成球季,但是目前结果似乎是一样的。仔细观察去年那个无拘无束的 Andrelton,与今年这个企图改变的 Andrelton,两人的成绩几乎相同。 Season BB% K% ISO AVG OBP SLG wOBA wRC+ 2013 6.1 % 8.4 % .149 .248 .296 .396 .303 91 2014 6.3 % 9.6 % .099 .247 .294 .346 .282 77 Never one to strikeout much, Atlanta’s shortstop was the last regular player to register a K this season, though he’s tracked right back to the mark he set last season. The only real, observable difference in his game is the 50 points of extra base power missing right off his ISO. 三振都很少。虽然 Simmons 是今年勇士队最後吞下老K的打者,各项成绩仍然跟 去年差异不大。唯一明显的,是他的纯长打率掉了五个百分点。 Clearly, the Atlanta Braves are more than comfortable in trading off that sort of power now in exchange for a more complete hitter in the future. And to Simmons’ credit, the type of outs he’s made this year might be more appealing in a team context. One big change is a drop in his infield pop up rate, from 17.8% last season to 11.5% in 2014. The easiest of easy outs can be even more maddening than strikeouts from some perspectives. Simmons 在今年球季明显的减少内野高飞必死球的比例,从去年的17.8%降到今年的 11.5%,有时候这种出局方式比三振更令人无法忍受。显然勇士队很满意他目前做的 改变,而这情况也是球队乐於见到的。 In addition to cutting his pop outs, Simmons has put himself into a higher percentage of hitters counts this season according to Baseball Reference – though he’s seeing fewer pitches per at bat. Whether it’s a matter of skill or randomness, he plated a much higher percentage of base runners from third base with less than two outs this year. As much as that looks like damning with faint praise, he deserves credit for doing the job asked of him by his coaches. 除了减少内野高飞必死球,Simmons 也尝试在每次打击时多看几颗球,然而他还是 联盟每次打击只看最少球数的几位球员之一。(编按:3.34,联盟倒数第四) 今年他在三垒有人,不到两出局时的打击率有很明显的提昇,(编按:2/19变成7/17) 这也许是一种随机状况,也可能是打击技巧的成长。对於打击教练的要求,他必须 做的更好,才能给对手更大的伤害。 Short of logical contortions like this, it remains difficult to suggest anything other than Simmons is a worse hitter now than he was last year. His numbers are down and, given our measures or production, he’s less valuable than he was before. The Braves see Simmons as one kind of hitter and are trying to help him become that guy. Their measures of production are different, not to mention their vision for his long-term viability. Nagging injuries popped up this season, perhaps sapping him of both some strength in his swing and range at short. Cutting down his swing might shave off a few home runs but it could keep him on the field more down the road. 只是目前还很难认定 Simmons 今年打得比去年还差。他今年的进攻数字是 掉了一点没错,看起来也不像去年那麽惊艳。勇士球团试着让他往正确的 方向前进,尽管没有提到他的未来会是什麽样子,但很明显的勇士球团他们的 判断标准跟我们FanGraphs的有某种程度上的差异。这个球季 Simmons 像是有些 小毛病产生,例如挥棒少了点力量,游击区的防守范围也没那麽大。控制他的 挥棒慾望也许会让他少打一些全垒打,但也可能让他未来的棒球路走得更成功。 There is a nagging part of me that wonders if the Braves aren’t making a mistake. The “what kind of hitter do you want to be?” questions seem rhetorical, as it appears clear what kind of hitter he is – an aggressive swinger with the ability to hit the ball out of the park. Health issues aside, why is that not good enough? 我觉得勇士球团似乎犯了个错误,难道他们没发现"你想成为哪一种类型的打者?" 分明就是"他现在是那一种类型的打者!"一个积极进攻的球员,想把球打出场外, 没有健康问题,难道这还不够好吗? In some ways, Simmons reminds me of J.J. Hardy. The Orioles shortstop isn’t as aggressive a swinger as the his Atlanta counterpart, but he makes the low walk, low strikeout, above-average pop thing work alongside his own defense-first brand of shortstop. While Hardy swings at far fewer pitches overall, they both boast contact rates well above league average. 从某些方面来看,Simmons 很像 J.J. Hardy。这位金莺队的游击手虽然不像 Simmons 出棒这麽积极,但他也是三振与保送都很少,也同样是游击区的最佳防守者。 要是 Hardy 也像 Simmons 一样积极出棒,应该都可以击中比联盟平均更多的球。 Perhaps the Braves don’t believe his power spurt in 2013 is an accurate reflection of his skills, that left to his own devices his power would dry up. His minor league track record certainly backs this assertion. Perhaps they view him as a leadoff hitter, a guy who can draw out at bats and set the table for the real power hitters down the order. Or maybe they’re just tired of watching him get himself out, overswinging early in the count at pitches he can’t much of anything with. 从 Simmons 的小联盟成绩来看,勇士球团并不认为他在2013球季所展现出来的长打 能力能确切反映出他的打击技巧,未来可能会消失。他被定位成一个首棒打者,要能 观察较多的球数并且有效攻击。也许球队只是不想看到他在球数尚浅之时就轻易出棒, 只换来一个出局数。 Just a few days short of his 25th birthday and with five more years on his existing contract, there is plenty of time for the Braves and their shortstop to figure out just who he is at the plate. With his incredible hand-eye coordination and powerful swing, there are plenty of options for both team and player as they try to turn the best defender in baseball into a consistent threat on both sides of the ball. 再过几天 Simmons 即将满25岁,而他还有五年的合约要跑(编按:应该是六年), 勇士球团仍有时间寻找他在打击区上的定位。Simmons 拥有不可思议的手眼协调性, 以及强而有力的挥棒,他自己与球队仍然可以继续尝试,怎麽把一个金手套球员, 进化成攻守两端都能给予对手严重威胁的球员。 ---- 1.这篇文章虽然是三个星期前所发,西门也过完25岁生日了。不过看起蛮有意思的, 因此尝试翻译来跟各位版友讨论看看。 2.先前讨论过 Heyward 的问题,在两个条件的前提之下,明年他应该能在打击上 有所反弹:a.合约年到了 b.他也算是个老手了,为了自己下一份大约着想,想必 一定会卯起来打,提昇自己的打击数字,难不成联盟的各个总管,会因为他是超级 金手套而给他一张肥约吗?简单一点来想,假设今天你是个总管,你有一笔预算, 想要签个外野手,你会先考虑 Justin Upton 还是 Jason Heyward? 如果他们两个报价都一样的话。 3.回到 Simmons 的问题,大家应该都知道西门是进了球队才从投手转职成游击手, 在小联盟历练不到三年就上大联盟了。第一个完整球季的表现令人印象深刻,球队 也随即送上一张七年大约。不过今年西门攻守两端的确是比去年缩水很多,这种 情况是回归正常呢,还是今年的成长状况不如预期?撇开黑娃目前的情形,或许 我们更应该要注意西门这档的投资获利状况吧。 --



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1F:推 opqasd : 我同意Simmons在防守端的贡献度减少, 但是不认为 09/18 23:41
2F:→ opqasd : 他的防守能力有所退步, 至少不像数字上显示的差距那 09/18 23:41
3F:→ opqasd : 麽大, 数字的衰退跟运气有关系 09/18 23:42
4F:→ opqasd : 进阶防守数字的大幅度波动在每个球员上都很常见 09/18 23:43
5F:→ opqasd : 打击姿势的改变我认为没有对他比较好, 反而更糟 09/18 23:45
6F:→ opqasd : 当然这是以结果论来说 09/18 23:45
7F:推 MazdaRx7 : 好文 推 09/19 01:25
8F:→ cj910 : 防守看起来像是回归正常 去年那种神样般的防守不可 09/19 02:19
9F:→ cj910 : 能年年有 今年的防守能力依旧是联盟前段班 09/19 02:19
10F:→ cj910 : 至於打击 Simmons看起来是很有天份 不太了解球队要 09/19 02:21
11F:→ cj910 : 怎麽培养他的打击 如果照今年这种养法跟结果 09/19 02:22
12F:→ cj910 : 除了Simmons Bethacourt可能是下一个养坏的打者 09/19 02:23
13F:推 opqasd : 进阶防守不管是哪一家的其实个别球员年间变动都很大 09/19 09:01
14F:→ opqasd : 尤其是range跟外野手的arm, range其实好而且稳定防 09/19 09:02
15F:→ opqasd : 守者普通守备机会每年不会有太大变动, 可是难接的 09/19 09:03
16F:→ opqasd : 球本来就出现机率比较小, 哪年运气有差, 少接或多接 09/19 09:03
17F:→ opqasd : 一些, 还是今年投手比较烂, 被打得比较强, 可能就 09/19 09:04
18F:→ opqasd : 会有差别. Simmons今年在FG上的UZR/150是小退, 在 09/19 09:04
19F:→ opqasd : Bill James上面应该是少非常多, 不过除非是受伤或是 09/19 09:05
20F:→ opqasd : 因年龄造成的衰退, 不然通常都会恢复到一定水准 09/19 09:05
21F:→ opqasd : Simmons季初其实打的不错, 有长打也能打反方向 09/19 09:06
22F:→ opqasd : 这时候还是用他去年的打法; 後来就越打越差 09/19 09:10
23F:→ opqasd : 这一两个月改开放式後就更烂了 09/19 09:10
24F:推 boldorange : Simmons季初真的打很好,不说还差点忘了 09/19 09:18
25F:→ opqasd : 去年Simmons跟Parra都帮球队守下41分, 今年两个人 09/19 09:45
26F:→ opqasd : 应该只有20分左右甚至不到... 09/19 09:46
27F:推 inferce : 只能祈祷换打击教练了,看到Walker说的我都凉了... 09/19 17:27
28F:→ inferce : 好像看到台湾的只看打击率的老派教练...冏rz 09/19 17:29







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