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标题[翻译] Do not trade Tommy Hanson!
时间Fri Nov 7 02:51:56 2008
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Here's some advice for Braves' GM Frank Wren - don't make the same mistake
John Schuerholz did five years ago when Adam Wainwright was traded. Keep this
year's top pitching prospect.
The Atlanta Braves are engaged in trade discussions with the San Diego Padres
regarding pitcher Jake Peavy. It’s not a surprise. The Braves need an ace,
and the Padres are evidently shopping one.
亚特兰大勇士最近和圣地牙哥教士讨论到了Jake Peavy的交易,这并不令人惊讶。勇士队
需要一位ACE,而教士队正在兜售一位。
Until there is a resolution, whether it’s right after the World Series or at
the Winter Meetings in December, there will be much speculation about how the
Braves will get this done. But there is one thing they must do as they
proceed with these trade talks.
不管是在冬季会议或是其他在世界大赛结束展开的面谈,勇士队需要花很多心思来进行这
笔交易。但在协商的过程中有一件事情他们必须一定要做。
Tommy Hanson has to be off the table.
Tommy Hanson 必须不在讨论的范围内。
Yes, the Padres would practically be foolish not to demand the Braves’ top
pitching prospect back in a Peavy deal. They need pitching already, and they
will need even more if they trade their ace. But Braves General Manager Frank
Wren must stand his ground and simply let Padres GM Kevin Towers know that
Hanson is untouchable.
当然啦!实际上教士也不是傻蛋,他们将Peavy交易出去後,势必要求对方也要付出一位
顶级的投手新秀。在还没交易Peavy出去前他们已经很需要投手了(Prior:QQ),更何况他
们交易了ACE之後。不过勇士的GM Frank Wren必须坚持他的立场并且简单得让教士的GM
Kevin Towers知道Hanson是不可以摸的。(编按:放开那位女孩!)
He’s not the only one. Jason Heyward, Freddie Freeman, Julio Teheran, and
Cole Rohrbough also need to be unavailable. The Braves have to keep these top
prospects, but Hanson has got to be at the top of the list of the players
that will not be going to San Diego.
他并不是唯一的女孩,Jason Heyward,Freddie Freeman,Julio Teheran和Cole
Rohrbough 也是不可以摸的。勇士们需要这些顶尖的女孩,但是Hanson在这些顶尖的女孩
中更是在教士队免肖想名单上的最上层。
Why Hanson? Why is it so important to keep him? Well, first of all, the kid
is good – really good. Look at what he’s doing in the Arizona Fall League.
He’s pitched 8.2 shutout innings and allowed only one hit, with three walks,
and 14 strikeouts in his three games out west.
为什麽是Hanson呢?究竟留着他是有多麽重要?第一件事,这个孩子真的很棒。看他在
AFL的表现。他在三场的出赛中,8.2局的投球中仅被打出1支安打,3次保送,并且有14次
的三振。(编按:Hanson拿下上周AFL的最佳投手。)
This year in the regular season Hanson went 11-5 in 25 starts between Myrtle
Beach and Mississippi. He had a 2.41 ERA, with 85 hits allowed in 138 innings
pitched, 37 earned runs, 52 walks, and 163 strikeouts.
今年球季在Myrtle Beach和Mississippi,Hanson在25次先发共缴出了11-5的成绩。ERA为
2.41,138局的投球被打出85支安打、失掉37分、52次的保送和163次的三振。
Hanson has now made 58 starts in his three minor league seasons and has a
2.73 ERA, with 231 hits allowed in 322.2 innings, 98 earned runs, 119 walks,
and 373 strikeouts.
总计Hanson在三年的小联盟成绩为58次先发中,2.73的ERA,322.2局中被敲出了231支安
打,98分自责分,119次保送和373次的三振。
,
His stats are not the full story. Hanson is a tall (6’6”) right-hander with
a solid fastball, an uncle Charlie curveball, a knockout slider, and an
improving changeup. The stuff matches the stats, which hasn’t always
happened in the Braves’ system the last few years (i.e. Chuck James).
支持他的并不只有他的投球数据,6-6的右投,稳定的快速球,传统的曲球,还有令人印
象深刻的滑球,持续进步的变速球。他的资质和投球成绩吻合,这在过去几年来勇士农场
并不常发生 (i.e Chuck James)。(编按:007有这麽威@@?)
Plus, Hanson is a bulldog. He’s a tremendous competitor, with a knack to get
out of trouble when he actually is in trouble. Hanson’s makeup is what could
make him special. He’s driven to be a star in the big leagues.
加上,Hanson是一个求胜欲望很强的人,并且有着相当好危机处理的能力。
他的个性让他很特别,相信他未来将可以成为大联盟的球星。
On Friday night Hanson will face Yankees pitcher Philip Hughes in the Rising
Stars Showcase in the Arizona Fall League. It's the All Star Game for the AFL.
礼拜五晚上Hanson在AFL将要面对洋基的大帝Phil Hughes,这将是AFL的明星赛。
There are numerous similarities between the two, Hanson and Hughes. They are
both tall, hard-throwing right-handers: Hanson is 6'6", 215, while Hughes is
6'5", 230.
Hanson和Hughes这两个人有太多相似之处了,他们同样拥有高大的身材,都是速球派的右
投:Hanson 6'6"高, 215磅, Hughes 6'5"高, 230磅。
Look at their career minor league numbers:
Hanson: 20-15, 2.73, 64 games, 231 hits in 322.2 IP, 98 ER, 119 BB, 373 K
Hughes: 28-08, 2.41, 62 games, 208 hits in 310.2 IP, 83 ER, 077 BB, 348 K
看看他们在小联盟的数据:
Hanson: 20-15, 2.73, 64 games, 231 hits in 322.2 IP, 98 ER, 119 BB, 373 K
Hughes: 28-08, 2.41, 62 games, 208 hits in 310.2 IP, 83 ER, 077 BB, 348 K
Now Hughes does have 22 major league starts, which is the big difference
between the two. But the point is these two are very similar prospects.
Hughes was one of the best prospects in the game coming into the 2007 season,
as rated by Baseball America.
两个人之间最大的差别在於Hughes已经在大联盟有22场先发出赛的经验,但是重点是他们
两个是非常类似的新秀,Hughes曾经被BA评为2007季前最佳新秀。
How would Hanson be viewed if he were a Yankees or Red Sox prospect? Would he
be on ESPN all the time, like Hughes was, and Joba was, and Clay Buchholz and
Jon Lester were with the Red Sox?
如果Hanson是在养鸡场里或是鱼塭,大家对他的评价又是如何呢?他会像NYY的Hughes、
Joba,或是BOS的Buchholz和Lester一样每天出现在E$PN吗?
The Yankees resisted putting Hughes in a trade the last few years, saying he
was vitally important to the future of their franchise. Now that he has
struggled a bit with inconsistency and injury that could change. But they did
value his potential, which is something the Braves must do with Hanson in
these discussions with the Padres.
NYY在过去几年都一直拒绝将Hughes交易的原因在於他将是洋基未来重要的一块版图,但
他出现的挣扎和伤势都可能改变NYY的看法。但他们真的在乎过他的潜力,这也是勇士在
交易Hanson至圣地牙哥前该做的。
This is the Braves best pitching prospect since Adam Wainwright, and that
name alone is a big reason Hanson should be untouchable. We all remember when
the Braves used Wainwright to fill their need in right field before the 2004
season. And we all know how that worked out.
Hanson是自从Wainwright以来最好的投手新秀,而Wainwright这个名字是现在Hanson列於
不可交易名单的主要原因。我们都记得2004球季前斧头帮用Wainwright交易去弥补右外野
的空缺,并且我们都知道後来事情的结果。
Drew was a rental, and Wainwright went and won a World Series for the
Cardinals. And now, Wainwright is St. Louis’s ace.
结果我们只是租了一只猪,并且Wainwright离开前往圣路易并拿下了世界大赛冠军,现在
他是红雀的ACE。(绿帽:叫Schulerholz出来!)
How good would Wainwright look at the top of the Braves’ rotation today?
With the need for an ace, it’s hard to watch someone like Wainwright, who
desperately wanted to be a Brave, pitch for another team. And that should
serve as the lesson for Frank Wren to not let it happen again.
如果Wainwright还在勇士队的轮值该有多好,当我们需要ACE时,更难忍受到看到一个那
麽想成为勇士的人像Wainwright,去为其他队投球。有Wainwright这麽一个前车之监,
Wren更不应该让这种事情发生第二次。
Some scouts believe Hanson could be a number one or number two pitcher in a
big league rotation. The Braves may get both of those spots filled this
winter, as they try to acquire Peavy and sign a free agent. But that doesn’t
mean you give up a pitcher who could be that good.
部分球探认为Hanson在未来大联盟将可以胜任1 2号轮值的位置,寻找1 2号先发也是今年
冬天勇士最重要的课题,所以他们想交易来Peavy和签一位FA,但这并不代表你可以放弃
一位这麽好的投手。
It’s easy to say that if you get Peavy, and for that matter a solid number
two like an A.J. Burnett, you wouldn’t need a pitcher like Hanson, even if he
’s that good. But the Braves have got to plan for the next decade, and while
that may include two new veterans for the first few years, the plan must be
in place to form a rotation for the long-term.
如果说你今天交易来Peavy并且在自由市场里捞到了AJB(有那麽爽的事情吗?),或许你可
以不需要Hanson,即使他表现这麽杰出。但勇士必须考虑到下个10年轮值圈是否仍需要这
两位新进的老兵,轮值圈的计画必须是要以长期的眼光来决定的。
You have to have kids from the farm system fill those roles, and Hanson is at
the top of the list. He’s a better prospect than Kyle Davies was, or Chuck
James, or Jo Jo Reyes. Those three were projected to be
middle-of-the-rotation type guys, while Hanson is thought of as a potential
top-of-the-rotation starter. You just can’t give those away – like they did
five years ago with Wainwright.
你必须要有来自农场的孩子去填满那些空缺,而Hanson更是第一位会被考虑到的,他是一
位比Kyle Davies和Chuck James,或是Jo Jo Reyes都还要好的新秀,刚提到的那三个人
有可能是未来轮值中段的投手(卖闹啊?都5号吧!),而Hanson可是被视为可以成为ACE的
先发。你不能将他送走─就像你5年前对Wainwright做的事情一样。
Frank Wren has just got to say no. He’s just got to tell the Padres that he
can put together a good enough package without Hanson or Heyward or Freeman.
If they resist, he needs to just tell them to see if they can go find a
better deal.
Wren必须要说不。他可以简单的告诉教士他可以提供一个够好的交易人选名单,但这个名
单并不会有Hanson、Heyward或Freeman。而如果教士拒绝,Wren只需要告诉他看他是否可
以找到更好的交易对象。
The Braves have put shortstop Yunel Escobar on the table. He’s a young,
controllable shortstop who is four years away from free agency. It's going to
be hard for San Diego to get a better young player back than Escobar.
勇士已经将游击手Yunel Escobar放在谈判桌上。他是一位年轻、可管理的游击手,并且4
年之後他才会成为FA。对教士来说要交易得到一位比Yunel Escobar还好的游击手是非常
困难的。
The Braves would take back Khalil Greene in return, which would also include
the $6.5 million owed to Greene for next season, his contract year. They
would gamble that Greene, who is from South Carolina and went to Clemson,
would bounce back after a poor 2008 season with the Padres.
勇士可以得到Khalil Greene,和吃下他明年6.5M的薪水,而明年也是他合约的最後一年
,他们可以在Greene身上下赌注,看他从南加州到Clemson来後是否会有和2008的他有着
截然不同的表现。
There is value in taking that money off San Diego’s hands. Peavy will make
$11 million next season, so that would mean $17.5 million bucks, or almost
24% of the Padres’ 2008 budget, would be coming off the books. There is
value in that – tremendous value, especially for a team needing to shed
payroll.
从薪资的角度来看,Peavy在下一个球季将可以拿到11M,加上Greene的6.5M为17.5M,几
乎占教士队2008薪资预算的24%。这对一个需要缩减预算的球队来具有相当大的价值。
If the Braves take on that money, and also include a good young player like
Escobar, that should be enough to keep the Padres away from Hanson and the
other top prospects.
如果勇士队将钱吃下来,并送出像Escobar这麽好的游击,我想这应该可以让教士队拿不
到Hanson等顶级的新秀。
Atlanta will probably also include one of its two big center field prospects,
either Jordan Schafer or Gorkys Hernandez. They need to probably offer Jo Jo
Reyes, a SoCal native who could probably thrive with the Padres. Others can
be included to round out the offer, but it just must not include Hanson.
勇士队大概会加入Jordan Schafer或Gorkys Hernandez其中一位做为交易的配菜,他们也
可能需要提供Jo Jo Reyes这样有可能在圣地牙哥发光发热的投手。其他人也可以加入来
完成这笔交易,但绝对不包含Hanson。
People incorrectly complain about the Braves inability to develop young
starting pitchers. They see the struggles of Jo Jo Reyes and Chuck James, and
talk about how it’s been almost a decade since a quality starter, Kevin
Millwood, came up from the farm system and joined the rotation.
一些人常常抱怨斧头帮养成投手的能力,但这是不正确的。他们只看到了Jo Jo Reyes和
Chuck James的挣扎,和近10年唯一一位从农场出身并加入轮值的Kevin Millwood。
But the truth is the Braves have traded most of their top pitching prospects.
Wainwright leads the list, which also includes Jason Marquis, Kyle Davies,
Odalis Perez, Dan Meyer, Zach Miner, and Matt Harrison. While that’s not
Maddux, Glavine, and Smoltz, it’s still not a bad list. But it also shows
why the Braves cannot give up on Tommy Hanson.
但事实上勇士几乎将他所有的顶级投手新秀都拿来交易了。Wainwright当然在这名单之中
,其他人包括Jason Marquis,Kyle Davies (骰子)、Odalis Perez,Dan Meyer(Billy
Beane: 干!),Zach Miner,和Matt Harrison。虽然令人庆幸的是Maddux, Glavine,和
Smoltz都不在这份名单内,但却也证明了勇士不能放弃Tommy Hanson的原因。
Yes, one of the pitchers the Braves do give up, maybe Jo Jo Reyes or maybe
someone else, could become even better than the pitchers in that list. That’
s the gamble you take in making a deal. But when you’ve got a prospect that
scouts rate as a top-of-the-rotation type guy, you just can’t use him in a
deal, even if you're getting an ace who is under contract for several seasons.
是的,任何一位投手像Jo Jo Reyes或其他人被勇士交易掉,都可能比名单上面的投手要
来的出色。而这也是当你在交易时所需下的赌注。但当你有一位球探认为具有ACE资质的
投手,你不能将他拿去交易,即使是用他来交易一位仍在合约中的ACE,根据上述的理由
。
Frank Wren will just have to walk away. The Padres will blink. They know Jake
Peavy wants to come to Atlanta. They know they won't find a better deal from
someone else. Could the Astros put together a better package with Escobar and
one of the center fielders, along with taking on Greene’s salary? No. So if
Wren sticks to his guns that Hanson is off limits, he’ll get his man.
Wren该做的是只要离开谈判桌,留下不知所措的教士,他们知道Peavy想来亚特兰大,他
们知道他们找不到其他像勇士提供的这麽好的包裹,除了打猎太空人能提出比Escobar+一
位CF更好的交易条件吗?并且吃下Greene的薪水?不行。所以只要Wren坚持Hanson是在交
易名单之外,Peavy就会是我们的。
It’s just time for the Braves to keep the next big pitching prospect.
They've sacrificed just too much over the past few years. Tommy Hanson is
that player, and this big, tall right-hander needs to help the Braves win a
World Series, instead of doing it for someone else.
是时候勇士该保留自己的顶级投手新秀了。过去几年他们已经牺牲太多了,Tommy Hanson
就是这样一位这样的顶级新秀,在未来将帮助斧头帮拿下世界大赛,而不是替其他队投球
。
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落落长的翻译,里面加了一些自以为有趣的梗,请大家不要见怪。文章可以看出作者对於
Tommy Hanson的赞赏,也提出了目前交易我们的确处在有利的位置,当然如果Peavy+AJB
来不要Hanson我是可以接受啦XD…但我们还要补外野的洞,所以We still need Tommy
Hanson!
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1F:推 format:老苏....我要加分.... 04/07 13:50
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2F:→ evilAllen:好累啊 我没做实验在干吗= = 11/07 02:52
3F:→ evilAllen:另外某些新秀排名Hanson已经排名19了 11/07 03:06
4F:推 dahw:推有趣的翻译~ 感觉Hanson的未来性让人热血沸腾阿 XD 11/07 03:56
5F:推 MizunoTako:James在小联盟的时候很杀啊...当年Davies的评价也很高 11/07 04:25
6F:推 ashidaka:倒数第2段对太色人的评论真机....XD 11/07 07:38
7F:推 synchron:其中关於AFL的明星赛, 我们的Tommy已经技压Hughes了 11/07 08:57
8F:推 Roawen:Shanks提出来的例子一堆都好烂 除了Wainy跟Millwood外 其他 11/07 09:11
9F:→ Roawen:的确到目前为止都不像轮值前段啊..不管交易掉的或自己用的 11/07 09:12
10F:推 Roawen:AFL今天Hanson先发 第一局三连斩~ 11/07 10:15
11F:推 Roawen:...被干炮 11/07 10:23
12F:推 Roawen:目前全部出局都是KKKKKK 11/07 10:33
13F:推 Roawen:报仇 把上一轮干炮的Doolittle三振 11/07 11:06
14F:推 Roawen:威啊 4局9K 11/07 11:09
15F:推 Roawen:5局11K 等等会继续投吗... 11/07 11:25
16F:推 chuckjr:阿娘威...61AB投出了30K......这会不会太夸张.... 11/07 12:02
17F:推 Roawen:如果再算Rising Star那场 然後AFL是打击天堂 真的超威 11/07 12:03
18F:推 chuckjr:刚好今天Wern应该有在现场....他看了应该会很爽...XD 11/07 12:09
19F:→ chuckjr:官网提到Peavy的乳摸:PV<-->小古巴,JOJO,Morton, 11/07 12:12
20F:→ chuckjr:然後再加一个prospect....这样等於把Schafer换成JOJO... 11/07 12:13
21F:→ chuckjr:听说是教士对Schafer没什麽兴趣.....XD 11/07 12:14
22F:推 Rodriguez:真的要放锅巴吗...JoJo就让他去吧XD 11/07 12:39
23F:推 ashidaka:最近不少Rumor提到Cubs在PV争夺战领先我们,Cubs他们农场 11/07 14:21
24F:→ ashidaka:不是被Harden那笔洗劫一空了吗? 怎麽还有好货能跟我们拼? 11/07 14:22
25F:→ ashidaka:有没有人熟析Cubs的情况能解说一下 11/07 14:24
26F:推 cirt:Cubs 要争取 Peavy 拿出来的应该大多已经上大联盟的 11/07 14:28
27F:→ cirt:Rich Hill, Sean Marshall, Jeff Samardzija 等等 11/07 14:30
28F:→ cirt:上面的名单是我随便猜的,因为教士想要投手... 11/07 14:31
29F:推 Roawen:最新的乳摸有提到Jef Locke耶 这样搞不好包裹变成Esco + 11/07 14:59
30F:→ Roawen:JoJo + Morton + Locke..如果JoJo跟Morton可以只丢一只 11/07 15:00
31F:→ Roawen:换成Gorkys Hernandez就更好了 不然明年轮值後段会变成Parr 11/07 15:01
32F:→ Roawen:跟James..似乎也不是太好 除非球团确定Hanson已经准备好了 11/07 15:01
33F:推 a127n:锅巴去了 我们要叫谁来守ss jiambi吗??? 11/07 16:13
34F:推 addshung: 11/07 16:36
35F:→ evilAllen:Rent (邪恶笑...) 11/07 17:02
36F:推 dodo6:不错欧~~~ 11/07 17:13
37F:推 RubenGotay:利利乔 11/07 17:26
38F:推 synchron:Locke的天份不错,去年的新秀排行甚至还在Hanson之前 11/07 17:50
39F:推 Roawen:我们的农场左投SP质量比右投SP质量还好 丢个左投还可以接受 11/07 18:14
40F:→ Roawen:但是丢Hanson要等下一个能支援先发的RHP会断层很久 现在几 11/07 18:16
41F:→ Roawen:乎有潜力的都在Rome以下..LHP的话反正最接近的Rohrbough没 11/07 18:17
42F:推 Roawen:有丢出去 总算还可以接受 11/07 18:19
43F:推 bravefan:翻译精彩,有好笑到!希望真的能顺利抢到Peavy并留下H 11/08 00:26
44F:推 kvankam:放开那些女孩 11/08 23:05