作者youx16147 ( 中 )
看板BaseballXXXX
标题4X民调-ABS使用
时间Mon Mar 16 16:55:10 2026
1 全面使用：标准一致
2挑战制度：减少误判
3完全不用：醍醐味爽
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1F：推 b99202071: 1 03/16 16:56
2F：推 ponsquare: 挑战吧 03/16 16:56
3F：推 kobe9527: 2 03/16 16:56
4F：→ allkobe: 2 03/16 16:57
5F：推 DerekHolland: 2 03/16 16:57
6F：推 trnet433: 2 03/16 16:57
7F：推 yankbarca: 2 03/16 16:58
8F：推 SABA0: 2 03/16 16:58
9F：推 kagimoro1202: 2 03/16 16:58
10F：推 yyyboy: 2 03/16 16:58
11F：推 Blackie9211: 2 03/16 16:59
12F：推 cplusplus426: 1 03/16 16:59
13F：推 sana113821: 2 03/16 16:59
14F：推 TPElin00: 1 03/16 17:00
15F：推 william12tw: 2 03/16 17:00
16F：→ as21838324: 2 03/16 17:00
17F：→ henryhao: 2 03/16 17:00
18F：推 vvvv0o0vvvv: 2 03/16 17:00
19F：推 coldstan123: 2 03/16 17:00
20F：推 Sunpayus: 1 你终究是要全用的 乾脆一步到位 03/16 17:01
21F：推 same60710: 2 03/16 17:01
22F：推 zxc89003: 1 03/16 17:01
23F：推 MarchelKaton: 2 03/16 17:01
24F：推 LIONDODO: 2 03/16 17:01
25F：推 Lewandowski9: 2 03/16 17:02
26F：推 dumanis: 1 03/16 17:02
27F：推 sue98635241: 2 03/16 17:03
28F：推 alenn: 2 03/16 17:03
29F：推 larry227079: 2 03/16 17:04
30F：→ Augustus5: 2 03/16 17:04
31F：推 a25018250: 1 03/16 17:05
32F：推 ntulion: 1 03/16 17:05
33F：推 neil112379: 2 03/16 17:05
34F：推 Castle88654: 2 03/16 17:06
35F：推 jamessytba: 2 03/16 17:06
36F：推 GhostShadow: 2 跟原本的挑战一样，重点是避免极端状况 03/16 17:06
37F：推 laangels27: 2 03/16 17:06
38F：推 carlchang092: 1 两套标准没有意义 03/16 17:06
39F：推 jimqax: 2 03/16 17:07
40F：推 kimi7812: 2 如果全面 那主审就要失业了XD 03/16 17:07
41F：推 nigatsuki: 2 03/16 17:08
42F：推 davidex: 2 03/16 17:08
43F：推 bluegates: 2 03/16 17:08
44F：推 nolimitpqq: 2 03/16 17:08
45F：推 OzzieAlbies: 1 不影响比赛时长的话 03/16 17:08
46F：→ carlchang092: 要讲几次全ABS还是要有主审存在 03/16 17:08
47F：→ carlchang092: 触身球 上垒 投手犯规 这些全部都要裁判判决 03/16 17:08
48F：推 lml99: 1要用就全用，这个不像挑战要看半天 03/16 17:09
49F：推 Ke1even: 1 03/16 17:09
50F：推 YummyCurry: 1 03/16 17:09
51F：推 GyroZeppeli: 短时间还是2 不然那些捕手的CF技能包就废了 03/16 17:09
52F：推 afa76: 2 03/16 17:09
53F：→ carlchang092: 捕手还是要牵制跟配球也不会完全失业啊 03/16 17:10
54F：推 waylan05: 2 03/16 17:10
55F：推 h25582528: 2 03/16 17:10
56F：推 antidote: 2 03/16 17:10
57F：推 tommyshu: 2 03/16 17:10
58F：推 windletterz: 2 03/16 17:10
59F：推 jack22661: 2 03/16 17:11
60F：推 alonzohorse: 1 03/16 17:12
61F：推 mittymouse: 2 03/16 17:12
62F：推 PaiChiou: 1 03/16 17:12
63F：推 ZaneTrout: 2 03/16 17:12
64F：→ Yjizz: 1 但是2可以看到一些表情包 03/16 17:12
65F：推 jordan1227: 2 03/16 17:12
66F：推 Tradeoff: 2 03/16 17:12
67F：→ kano2525: 短期内2，最终目标是1 03/16 17:13
68F：推 carbee: 222222222 03/16 17:13
69F：推 Tr3vyy: 1 03/16 17:13
70F：推 lsj049: 2 03/16 17:13
71F：推 jclee0000: 2 03/16 17:14
72F：推 aaaaaaron: 2 03/16 17:14
73F：推 tommyshu: 除非这个系统普及到连基层都有 不然总不能让职业裁判完 03/16 17:14
74F：→ tommyshu: 全脱离这项能力吧 短期2长期1 03/16 17:14
75F：推 ShannonBrown: 2 03/16 17:14
76F：→ kano2525: ABS不会让裁判失业，就算全面实施ABS，还是有很多工作要 03/16 17:14
77F：→ kano2525: 由裁判来做 03/16 17:14
78F：→ GyroZeppeli: 讲白你还是要跟着MLB走 美国现阶段就是2啊 03/16 17:15
79F：推 okamifang: 当然是1，如果2是可以增加趣味性但是越来越不喜欢看比 03/16 17:15
80F：→ okamifang: 赛拖时间挑战，如果可以球员开扁裁判就选3 03/16 17:15
81F：推 Willyao: 2 03/16 17:15
82F：推 YuChien528: 2 03/16 17:15
83F：推 han0719: 2 03/16 17:16
84F：推 www115ui8: 2 03/16 17:16
85F：推 paul2049: 2 03/16 17:16
86F：推 kevinduh4: 2 03/16 17:16
87F：推 marx93521: 2 03/16 17:16
88F：推 Jerry7766: 2 03/16 17:17
89F：推 highwayshih: 2 03/16 17:17
90F：推 Dylenny: 1 03/16 17:17
91F：推 JonasFolger: 2 03/16 17:18
92F：推 zee0012002: 2 03/16 17:18
93F：→ d06: 先2 再1 03/16 17:18
94F：推 erodora: 1 03/16 17:18
95F：推 xephon: 2 先推行几年，再讨论 1 03/16 17:18
96F：推 beerhsieh: 1 03/16 17:19
97F：推 ray0305: 2 03/16 17:19
98F：推 kankawayuu: 2 03/16 17:19
99F：→ kigiron: 2 03/16 17:20
100F：推 jjyy6666: 1 03/16 17:20
101F：→ shifa: 我是大柠檬球员的话 选2 03/16 17:20
102F：→ shifa: 但我不是 所以选1 干嘛跟瞎眼老鼠在那边瞎搅和 03/16 17:20
103F：推 kevin1018: 1 03/16 17:20
104F：推 zongcong: 2 03/16 17:20
105F：推 yamai7777: 2 03/16 17:21
106F：推 Willdododo: 2 03/16 17:21
107F：推 sencho: 2 挑战用 03/16 17:21
108F：推 octopus4406: 2 03/16 17:22
109F：推 zore14563: 2 03/16 17:22
110F：→ Lewandowski9: ABS挑战挺快的啊 不会耗多久 03/16 17:22
111F：推 YuaTamiya: 2 03/16 17:23
112F：推 norefish: 2 03/16 17:25
113F：推 forward1994: 2 03/16 17:25
114F：推 DoncicInPTT: 2 但未来走向1不反对 03/16 17:25
115F：→ kase09521: 1但可以AI校正主审风格？差异化有一致性也有 03/16 17:25
116F：推 rong1994: 2 03/16 17:25
117F：推 r252525r: 2 03/16 17:26
118F：推 chang0719: 2 03/16 17:26
119F：推 leftavoid: 1 03/16 17:26
120F：推 LeftCorner: 2 03/16 17:26
121F：推 sakamichi46: 2 03/16 17:27
122F：推 s83106: 先2再1 03/16 17:27
123F：推 asd1122888: 2 03/16 17:27
124F：推 ashitaark777: 2是一定要先要 1可以慢慢来 03/16 17:28
125F：推 w9070030: 2 03/16 17:28
126F：推 fash5896: 1 03/16 17:28
127F：推 teddywithyou: 2 03/16 17:29
128F：推 suwesley: 2 03/16 17:29
129F：推 YMSolJack: 2 03/16 17:29
130F：推 YukiApple: 2 03/16 17:30
131F：→ a86710985: 先2再1 不懂不支持的理由到底是什麽 03/16 17:30
132F：推 BrothersWin: 2 03/16 17:31
133F：推 liongood93: 2 03/16 17:31
134F：推 KSHScliu: 2 03/16 17:31
135F：推 r781207: 2 03/16 17:31
136F：推 daniel1344: ABS挑战很快阿 有没有进好球带这麽明确 03/16 17:32
137F：嘘 sacredshino: 2 03/16 17:32
138F：推 stanwilson: 2 03/16 17:33
139F：推 lisamayday: 2 03/16 17:33
140F：→ daniel1344: 先2减少裁判在关键时刻的影响力 03/16 17:33
141F：推 jsai: 2 03/16 17:33
142F：推 a2156700: 1.5吧 觉得挑战次数可以再多一些 03/16 17:34
143F：推 EZ78: 2 03/16 17:34
144F：→ EZ78: 挑战次数感觉可以往上加 03/16 17:34
145F：推 chh25597413: 1 花一堆钱买设备没道理不用 03/16 17:35
146F：推 Achu04122: 2 03/16 17:35
147F：推 NolanGorman: 2 03/16 17:36
148F：推 Tommy8888: 1 03/16 17:36
149F：推 thb96300: 2 03/16 17:36
150F：推 karta3127117: 2 03/16 17:36
151F：推 dramy8148: 2 03/16 17:36
152F：推 long0601: 1 03/16 17:38
153F：→ ProducerChen: 2 03/16 17:39
154F：推 setuping: 2 03/16 17:39
155F：推 a126451026: 2 03/16 17:40
156F：推 willy0617: 2 03/16 17:41
157F：推 DameTime777: 2 03/16 17:41
158F：推 kafing86: 2 03/16 17:41
159F：推 zxcv82214: 2 03/16 17:41
160F：推 a126451026: 觉得可以辅助为主，挑战次数以每局几球为限 03/16 17:41
161F：推 iamalexnotjo: 2 03/16 17:42
162F：推 qq23: 2 03/16 17:42
163F：推 yhyang1991: 2 03/16 17:42
164F：推 ganshins: 2 03/16 17:42
165F：推 peko666: 2 03/16 17:42
166F：推 c140265: 2 03/16 17:43
167F：推 tuxie: 2 用挑战的比较有节目效果 03/16 17:44
168F：推 sandemo: 这样富邦可能会得冠军 03/16 17:44
169F：推 konow915: 2 03/16 17:44
170F：→ tyrone0923: 2 03/16 17:45
171F：推 www30686564: 2 03/16 17:45
172F：推 r31251z: 1 03/16 17:47
173F：推 mibbl0: 2 03/16 17:47
174F：推 temsroluan: 2 03/16 17:47
175F：推 andywang3168: 2 03/16 17:47
176F：推 aboutglenn: 1 03/16 17:48
177F：推 CCY2000: 1 03/16 17:48
178F：→ roberttony: 1 03/16 17:49
179F：推 joe51408: 2 03/16 17:50
180F：推 XYZP: 2 03/16 17:50
181F：推 polanco: 2 03/16 17:51
182F：推 aky46852: 2 03/16 17:51
183F：→ Ayanami5566: 3 03/16 17:52
184F：推 e12955711: 2 03/16 17:53
185F：推 yuuyuuhuu: 2 03/16 17:53
186F：推 bohome: 2 03/16 17:54
187F：推 Godshou508: 2 03/16 17:54
188F：推 arrowsean: 1 03/16 17:54
189F：推 pyand0721: 2 03/16 17:54
190F：推 Eyrie: 2 03/16 17:58
191F：推 JWalk77: 2 03/16 17:58
192F：推 osbia9621: 2 03/16 17:58
193F：推 susumehamu: 3 03/16 17:58
194F：→ GyroZeppeli: 真要说触身球上垒投手犯规 其实也早就能用科技解决 03/16 17:59
195F：推 kshank06: 2 03/16 17:59
196F：推 JEFFTAY: 2 03/16 18:00
197F：推 hardy8110: 2 03/16 18:01
198F：推 GDPG: 1 03/16 18:01
199F：→ GyroZeppeli: 现在棒球主审还在就是为了醍醐味 人眼早赢不了机器 03/16 18:02
200F：推 karta2133295: 以台湾裁判缺人的情况 1会好一点 2我也行 03/16 18:03
201F：→ idtvgame: 2 主要是那种很扯的起码有机会凹 03/16 18:04
202F：推 Totoro0802: 2 03/16 18:04
203F：推 yunahusband: 2 03/16 18:05
204F：→ shifa: 其实 挑战 跟 ABS 是两件事 不过混在一起处理也不错啦 03/16 18:07
205F：推 MONKEYGO: 2 03/16 18:07
206F：推 jynut: 1 03/16 18:08
207F：推 tpmstr111: 2 03/16 18:08
208F：推 CusRise: 2 03/16 18:12
209F：推 AresPeng: 2 外角变化球是可以投出削到好球带 但绝对打不到的球 03/16 18:14
210F：→ AresPeng: 现在的ABS还有进步空间 未来应该要加入AI判定 03/16 18:14
211F：推 liweihau: 2 03/16 18:15
212F：推 AhCheng: 2 03/16 18:16
213F：推 Johgnsgod: 2 03/16 18:19
214F：推 nice022228: 2 03/16 18:21
215F：推 adngg579: 1 03/16 18:21
216F：推 crey722: 2 03/16 18:21
217F：推 hancao0816: 1 03/16 18:21
218F：推 cobrasakira: 2 03/16 18:22
219F：推 kenigo: 2 03/16 18:22
220F：推 idiotay: 1 03/16 18:23
221F：推 t93149: 2 03/16 18:23
222F：→ shifa: 理论上你要用机器判读可以适当修整好球带定义 03/16 18:24
223F：→ shifa: 过去好球带削到皮甚至球上的绳子算好球 那是古早时代没辅助 03/16 18:24
224F：→ shifa: 机制方便主审使用&帮主审判决背书的方便定义 03/16 18:25
225F：→ shifa: 现在有机器精准判决 你可以设定球心要在好球带内 或是 03/16 18:25
226F：→ shifa: 球体面积超过25%在好球带内才能算好球 03/16 18:26
227F：→ shifa: 说25%那个是沾到角落时的最低面积 没沾到角落要50% 03/16 18:28
228F：→ shifa: 诸如此类 不是说过去100年用的定义就只能早晚拿出来拜不能 03/16 18:28
229F：→ shifa: 改掉一字一句耶 03/16 18:28
230F：推 lawenwen: 2 03/16 18:30
231F：推 James921124: 2 03/16 18:30
232F：推 tsaodin0220: 2 03/16 18:33
233F：推 nadleeh: 1 03/16 18:33
234F：推 evil4422: 2 03/16 18:33
235F：推 Kelsier27: 2 03/16 18:34
236F：推 hengfreecss: 2列入裁判考核 03/16 18:34
237F：推 ricky9696: 2 03/16 18:34
238F：推 mork8850: 22222222222222222 03/16 18:36
239F：推 twitch5566: 2 03/16 18:39
240F：推 leo828260: 2 03/16 18:43
241F：推 davin1994: 1 03/16 18:48
242F：推 SorrowWind: 2 03/16 18:49
243F：推 PoYufish: 2 03/16 18:49
244F：推 harry0073: 1 03/16 18:49
245F：推 xlargebing: 1 03/16 18:52
246F：推 rainmaker4me: 2 03/16 18:54
247F：推 gasol0314: 2 03/16 19:03
248F：推 NXT0614: 2 03/16 19:03
249F：推 nobeldd: 2 每队10次 不是失败制 03/16 19:03
250F：推 kobe1009: 1 03/16 19:09
251F：推 bsKershaw828: 2 03/16 19:10
252F：推 Yohan961205: 2 03/16 19:15
253F：→ miuky: 2 03/16 19:23
254F：推 Silentrain22: 2 03/16 19:23
255F：推 Lucifer10896: 1 03/16 19:23
256F：→ angel902037: 1+2 03/16 19:24
257F：推 Ming14: 1 03/16 19:27
258F：推 FK84288: 2 03/16 19:27
259F：推 yuchiwang: 2 03/16 19:29
260F：推 tsai16: 2 03/16 19:32
261F：推 AccLaborGo: 3 03/16 19:39
262F：推 AccLaborGo: 奇怪，怎麽只有我选3 03/16 19:44
263F：推 ppacers: 1 03/16 19:53
264F：推 cyjerk: 1 03/16 20:00
265F：→ keltt: 1 03/16 20:06
266F：→ ThomasWei919: 3啦 03/16 20:15
267F：推 EvenYvonne: 2 03/16 20:15
268F：推 ohnacl: 2当试用期，未来一定是1 03/16 20:18
269F：推 Nobita: 技术到位就是1 有明显缺漏就是2 03/16 20:22
270F：推 sdolphinyo: 2 03/16 20:26
271F：推 freegreg: 1 03/16 20:32
272F：推 D1: 先2再1 03/16 20:43
273F：推 takeda0727: 1 03/16 21:02
274F：推 bha1106: 2 03/16 21:02
275F：推 f01237542: 2 03/16 21:04
276F：推 ss77995ss: 2 03/16 21:09
277F：→ wood678: 2 03/16 21:21
278F：嘘 TiauEX: 2 03/16 21:33
279F：推 RoundTable: 2 03/16 21:59
280F：推 chunshuo: 1 但需要主审表演好坏球 03/16 22:03
281F：推 saffron27: 2 03/16 22:22
282F：→ KURO1214: 1 03/16 22:27
283F：推 ASMMILK: 2 03/16 23:05
284F：推 lightjayjw: 2 03/16 23:11
285F：推 qoo2002s: 2 03/16 23:17
286F：推 jdzjhcs: 2 03/16 23:39
287F：推 GTA5566: 1 03/16 23:59
288F：推 Kevin29: 2 03/17 00:29
289F：推 f40075566: 2 03/17 00:30
290F：推 betterbutter: 2 03/17 01:33
291F：推 leokind: 2 03/17 06:27
292F：推 sediments: 1 03/17 08:37
293F：推 p1ter58588: 2 03/17 09:10
294F：推 Darcrv97531: 2 03/17 11:10
295F：推 ycwolf: 2 03/17 12:11
296F：推 BlackQ840910: 2 03/17 14:08