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标题Fw: [外絮] 为了获得Aldridge真的值得这麽劳心劳力?
时间Sat Jul 4 17:50:41 2015
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作者: huntai (婚带) 看板: NBA
标题: [外絮] 为了获得Aldridge真的值得这麽劳心劳力?
时间: Sat Jul 4 16:53:41 2015
原文网址:
https://goo.gl/kAXNSH
原文标题:Is LaMarcus Aldridge Really Worth All the Trouble?
LaMarcus Aldridge is the top free agent who might actually switch teams.
More than one team has traded off major contributors to acquire him without
getting any commitment first, and the Los Angeles Lakers seem desperate to
land him. And this all raises a question worth asking: Is he worth it?
Aldridge是今年自由市场上最大牌的自由球员.
许多球队都为了得到他而交易掉队中的主力以清出薪资空间,
即使他并没对它们作出任何承诺,而湖人就是其中一队想抓大鱼的.
那麽问题来了: 他真的值得吗?
There are certainly reasons to believe he is. He averaged 23.4 points and
10.2 rebounds last season. The only other players to hit those marks in the
last five years are Anthony Davis, Kevin Love and DeMarcus Cousins, per
Basketball-Reference.com.
有许多原因足以说服我们, 他的确值得.
他在上个赛季平均获得23.4分, 10.2篮板, 近5年来, 只有AD, Kevin Love
还有表弟达成过这个成就.
He also began to shoot more threes and made 35.2 percent of his triples,
which dwindles the above list down to just Love. A power forward who can
stretch the court and rebound is certainly an asset to be valued as the
league leans more and more in that direction.
如果再加上35.2%三分球命中率的条件, 上面的名单就扣剩Keven Love一人.
一个可以拉开空间, 同时又有篮板的PF, 绝对是值得考虑的因素,
因为现在的NBA已经越来越倾向外线投篮.
And, unlike Love, Aldridge doesn’t present a defensive challenge to
compensate for when he’s on the court. Opponents shot 2.1 percent below
their season averages when he was on them, per NBA.com.
同时, Aldridge比Love有优势的地方是, 他不会在防守端变成负赘.
根据NBA.com, 有他在场上时, 对手的命中率会比平常下降2.1%.
Aldridge certainly is a nice piece to have on a championship caliber team,
but does that mean he’s a game changer? Is he worth the sacrifice some teams
are making? When you start looking at the advanced numbers, he’s not quite
as impressive.
Aldridge绝对是夺冠的一块拼图, 但这就表示说他是一个game changer吗?
他真的值得让那些球队牺牲这麽多以得到他?
当你往进阶数据看的时候, 就变得不那麽有说服力.
Of players qualifying for the minutes per game leaderboard, his 22.8 player
efficiency rating was eighth, last season. His 8.6 win shares ranked just
21st. His box plus-minus was .3, only good for 105th. His Real Plus-Minus was
4.06, ranking 25th, per ESPN.com. Among players who averaged 20 minutes and
played 40 games, his Player Impact Estimate was tied for 11th. His 1108.2
Floor Impact Counter at RealGM.com was 13th.
AGG上一季进阶数据 分数 排名
Win Shares 8.6 21
PER 22.8 8
RPM 4.06 25
PIE 15.6 11
FIC 1108.2 13
平均排名 15.6
If you disregard his BPM as an anomaly (which it obviously is), his overall
numbers place him as somewhere between the eighth- and 25th-best player in
the league. On average he’s at 15.6.
如果撇开他超弱的Box+/-值(第105名的确是很弱), 他各项数据的排名是8到25之间.
名次平均起来变成第15.6名.
We could argue that those numbers don’t appreciate the “eye test” and that
numbers can be deceiving. Of course, numbers and the eye test aren’t
mutually exclusive either, and the vast majority of the time, the numbers
tell the truth — particularly when most of them are saying the same thing.
你可以反驳说数据并不等於我们所亲眼看到的表现, 而且数据可以是骗人的
(感觉好像科迷跟詹迷口水战时的语气).
当然, 数据和由眼睛判断并不互相排斥, 大多数时候, 它们的指标都是一样的.
And part of the deception is the reputation as a court-stretcher is
overstated. Yes, he shot well enough from behind the three-point line, but he
only actually made 37. And he has just 61 for his entire career. The scoring
average is nice, but he took more two-point attempts than anyone in the
league, and the majority of those came from the less-efficient mid-range area
of the court.
同时, 说他善於拉开空间也是被过分渲染的一点, 因为AGG去年只投中了37个三分球,
而他整个职业生涯也只投中61球三分.
他有很棒的平均得分, 但大多都是靠比较不那麽有得分效率的中距离得来的.
Nor, as his shot chart reveals, is he particularly effective in any area:
他的shot chart也显示他并没有任何一个区域是特别有得分效率的.
http://goo.gl/rBPm6y
(其实内线和左边底角三分蛮强的, 就是出手数太少)
So it’s a legitimate question: How much is it worth to land a player who isn
’t even in the top 10? Bear in mind, this isn’t taking a swipe at Aldridge.
He’s a very good player, but is he a truly elite player? Is he the type,
nearing 30 years old, who can turn the fortunes of a franchise around?
回到问题的根源: 一个不算联盟前十的球员到底值得一支球队付出多少以得到他?
这不是在贬低Aldridge, 他是一个非常好的球员, 问题是, 他真的是最顶尖的球星吗?
他是不是那种就算到了30岁还是有能力把一支球队的命运扭转的球员?
Whether he’s worth it or not may come down to what the team has to offer
around him. In a case like the San Antonio Spurs, where there’s enough in
place to form a solid structure beneath his feet, I think it’s a bold, but
smart move. However, with some of the other teams hoping to land him as the
cornerstone of a rebuilding project, I don’t think he has that kind of
talent.
其实他值不值得这个价还得看是哪一支球队想得到他.
像对马刺队来说, 我就认为是个大胆而值得的投资, 因为马刺队形跟AGG真的很合.
至於其他球队, 我并不认为AGG有独力改变他们命运的天赋.
He’s not a LeBron James-type figure who can join any team in the league and
instantly make them a contender. He can be a difference-maker, but only in
the right situation. However, when it comes to free agency, there’s always
an extra value to being the best player available. It causes perceptions and
value to inflate.
他并不是像LBJ那种加入哪支球队, 那支球队就立刻变顶级强权的球员.
他也许有这个能力, 但是只有在特定环境底下才能够成立.
然而, 在自由市场上最好的球员通常都会获得溢价的.
Some teams will regret what they gave up to land him if they miss out, but if
he doesn’t make the “right” choice, the winner might have buyer’s remorse
as well.
有些球队也许会因为不做任何动作去得到AGG而感到後悔.
但是, 如果AGG没有作出正确的选择, 不适合却因此得到他的球队也会懊恼不己.
心得:
简短翻译, AGG不是万用插头, 那些有心脏病结果还要去买这盒糖尿病药的请後果自负.
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1F:→ ming0q : 他就是大腿 07/04 16:54
2F:→ Aggro : 我阳收! 07/04 16:55
3F:推 freemail : 超肥 超多汁 都流口水了 07/04 16:56
4F:推 love1500274 : 我刺迷 也不认为AGG来马刺能带给马刺多少变化 07/04 16:56
5F:→ SULICon : 大概就是当年Sheed去活塞的角色 07/04 16:56
6F:推 seemoon2000 : 我也满纳闷 为什AGG可以搞得像惊天动地一样...... 07/04 16:56
7F:→ SULICon : 适合万事俱备只欠东风的球队 07/04 16:57
8F:→ seemoon2000 : 现在这资讯爆炸的时代应该是主因吧 07/04 16:57
9F:→ austin7037 : 来太阳啦 07/04 16:57
10F:推 sdfsonic : 翻译:他很适合马刺 去其他地方不适合他 07/04 16:58
11F:推 jimmy5680 : 马刺阵型需要他啊,不一定会变强但至少不会变烂 07/04 16:58
12F:→ sdfsonic : 抓到了 马刺打手 07/04 16:58
13F:→ SULICon : 马刺体质良好 体系又不会太过折损老将的球员寿命 07/04 16:58
14F:→ YamagiN : 因为要他的球队很有话题性 去不去都有新闻可写 07/04 16:58
15F:→ SULICon : AGG又是30岁最後一张大约 去马刺很合理 07/04 16:58
16F:推 GSWarrior : 应该是去年第一轮对火箭神鬼表现太令人印象深刻了 07/04 16:58
17F:推 UrThereNow : 会这样是自由市场的大咖早早都没了吧 07/04 17:00
18F:推 Fiona102 : AGG超猛的啊 2K15根本鬼神 低位中距离射满脸 07/04 17:00
19F:→ SULICon : 对现在的湖人来说 追AGG当作做梦就好 07/04 17:00
20F:→ UrThereNow : Love, Milsap,都留队了 07/04 17:00
21F:推 mingzeng : 去马刺啦 给你三十分钟左右就可以赢球 减少身体损耗 07/04 17:01
22F:→ UrThereNow : 尤其是PF 07/04 17:01
23F:嘘 auron4041 : 吃不到葡萄 说葡萄酸 07/04 17:01
24F:→ SULICon : 当然啦~如果AGG真的被Mitch灌迷汤那就另当别论 07/04 17:01
25F:→ SULICon : 但是以AGG的个性来看 他应该知道去马刺是最好的 07/04 17:02
26F:推 no321 : 吃不到葡萄...是说这个记者? 07/04 17:04
27F:推 PatlaborGao : 啥时大前锋一定要三分?中距离准能打内线照样吃的开 07/04 17:04
28F:推 jeff331900a : 来太阳啦 万事俱备只欠AGG 07/04 17:05
29F:推 gn00945822 : 中距离有4成,不差了吧 07/04 17:06
30F:→ Aggro : 来太阳拉QwQ 我们好缺明星球员 07/04 17:08
31F:→ hunt5566 : 得不到就毁了他 哈哈哈哈哈 07/04 17:08
32F:→ qhaabk : LMA有转队就好 我最喜欢看转队了 07/04 17:09
33F:→ UrThereNow : 市场大物现在就只剩阿基基拉, 供不应求价值自然会高 07/04 17:09
34F:推 whitehumor : 看完这篇我只觉得未来是AD的...超级大腿 07/04 17:10
35F:推 Hekate : 感觉是不是某队得不到他 请写手抹黑的可能性 07/04 17:11
36F:推 sakaizawa : 就是马刺了 我刚刚掐指一算 07/04 17:11
37F:推 SE4NLN415 : 石佛都被你们看扁这麽久了 07/04 17:12
38F:推 web946719 : 感觉是鸡蛋里挑骨头 07/04 17:13
39F:推 ppccfvy : 事实 他最适合马刺 还不快去在那边妈祖出巡 07/04 17:13
40F:推 Aggro : 那应该不是太阳XD 因为这篇推荐他去马刺 07/04 17:13
41F:→ Albert20441 : 不就给钱 哪里劳心劳力? 07/04 17:14
42F:推 qpeter : 阿拓真的注目度有点低 AGG应该也有一些经典战役吧? 07/04 17:14
43F:→ qpeter : 但是平常没追阿拓的比赛 实在没什麽印象 07/04 17:15
44F:→ Aggro : 你是说像去年季後赛吗(?) 07/04 17:15
45F:推 Q12345Q : 各队GM不是笨蛋啊 KD健康的话 换他会面了 07/04 17:15
46F:推 iamchyun : 我胡:叫我老大 agg:干 07/04 17:18
47F:推 peterhsuan : 马刺!马刺!马刺!马刺!马刺!马刺! 07/04 17:19
48F:推 ssaw5166 : 马刺最适合他 07/04 17:19
49F:推 donnylee : 整队烂的湖人确实不适合 07/04 17:19
50F:推 ddrose : 跟Love在灰狼时一样一哥有球权数据好看吧 07/04 17:23
51F:嘘 fff417 : 翻译:Aldridge可能不是联盟前十的球员 07/04 17:26
52F:→ fff417 : 这真的只是废话而已 就算不是前10 一个前15的球员 07/04 17:26
53F:→ fff417 : 进FA会有一堆人抢是当然的 07/04 17:26
54F:推 knight0123 : 留我拓拓不离不弃 07/04 17:28
55F:推 cidcheng : 搞不好是崩溃的湖迷写的 07/04 17:30
56F:推 billyhwd : 去马刺吧! 07/04 17:30
57F:→ cidcheng : 前15不算顶尖真的很莫名其妙 07/04 17:30
58F:→ Tenging : 他最适合马刺体系 马刺也最合适选他 07/04 17:32
59F:推 jardon : 嫌货才是买货人 07/04 17:34
60F:推 CYAward : 07/04 17:34
61F:推 allmygod : 结论:马刺最适合(≧<>≦) 那不快来 07/04 17:35
62F:推 otsuka123 : 邓肯剩半条腿都在马刺体系能活 AGG加了不就飞天 07/04 17:36
63F:推 hydeless : 如果你有观察快艇今年季後赛怎麽守TP的,那麽如果 07/04 17:36
64F:→ hydeless : LMA加盟,他们长人敢多捞那一下,绝对就是LMA炸翻 07/04 17:37
65F:→ hydeless : 对手 07/04 17:38
66F:推 sxing6326 : AGG跟TD真的差超多 07/04 17:39
67F:推 dakkk : LMA适合跳投大队 其他球风就不适合 07/04 17:39
68F:推 dcshoecousa : 他现在去马刺应该能打到37 38岁 只是可能到时TD还在 07/04 17:40
69F:推 Scion : 就每年FA最强的那个都会被捧上天啊 07/04 17:40
70F:→ dakkk : 不过今年就这一个大物可挑 重心放他身上不为过 07/04 17:40
71F:→ dakkk : 等AD下张约时 应该有过之而无不及 07/04 17:41
72F:→ allmygod : PF请不要跟TD神兽比 你会被他的战绩射得满脸豆花 07/04 17:43
73F:推 miayao417 : AGG很适合马刺... 07/04 17:45
74F:推 showwisdom : 我觉得David West都比他强!只是生错年代罢了! 07/04 17:48
75F:推 Aggro : 来我阳吧 我们也可以让你跳投到爽Q_Q 07/04 17:50
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※ 转录者: Lillard (221.169.172.177), 07/04/2015 17:50:41
76F:→ Lillard: 这篇的论述发去给其他队的GM看一下好嘛 07/04 17:52
77F:推 Coolest: lillard仍然试着留住AGG 07/04 18:06
78F:推 reaper317: 觉得不值得就不要抢啊!我们觉得值得就好 07/04 18:19
79F:推 CHUNGHUA: LaMarcus Aldridge currently has no more planned meet 07/04 19:00
80F:→ CHUNGHUA: ings and will take a couple days to digest it all, a 07/04 19:00
81F:→ CHUNGHUA: ccording to Marc Stein of ESPN.com. 07/04 19:00
82F:→ CHUNGHUA: There are a lot of players and teams waiting on LaMa 07/04 19:00
83F:→ CHUNGHUA: rcus, but we might not get word of his decision unti 07/04 19:00
84F:→ CHUNGHUA: l Monday. Teams have been saying Aldridge has been a 07/04 19:00
85F:→ CHUNGHUA: sking some very tough questions about hoops, so some 07/04 19:00
86F:→ CHUNGHUA: credit should probably go to Terry Stotts. 07/04 19:00
87F:推 CHUNGHUA: 听说AGG问了很多战术执行的专业问题是Stotts教的XD 07/04 19:04
88F:→ CHUNGHUA: 而且还是很困难的问题XD 07/04 19:05
89F:推 isaiah2727: 还要等到礼拜一......快点直接来点痛快的吧 07/04 19:10
90F:→ isaiah2727: 每天大半夜刷新闻也是很折磨的 07/04 19:12
91F:推 Fernandez05: C大贴的这段根本就像黑暗兵法啊XDD 07/04 19:14
92F:推 Fernandez05: 不仅要拖你时间还要学你战术 07/04 19:15
93F:推 CHUNGHUA: 也不知道是不是真的,因为Marc Stein报的有时真实性有 07/04 19:15
94F:→ CHUNGHUA: 待商确XD 07/04 19:15
95F:→ Lillard: 老实说不期不待啦 不然之前禁区这样补人是为哪桩 07/04 19:33
96F:推 qoomilk: 重点是其他教练的回应吧 07/04 19:43
97F:→ qoomilk: 也许只有BS在靠北很难回家找答案才要面试第二次 07/04 19:44
98F:→ qoomilk: POPO觉得很简单 第二次吃饭散步的而已 07/04 19:44
99F:推 pipet33: AGG或许不是金字塔顶尖的人,但最少也是金字塔上层的人… 07/04 19:47
100F:→ pipet33: …不过会这样比某些程度也表示AGG很被看好… 07/04 19:47
101F:推 reaper317: AGG不是联盟前十?可是今年MVP票选他就是前十 07/04 19:59
102F:推 CHUNGHUA: WOJ报了...确定去马刺...AGG掰掰 07/05 00:10
103F:推 hcl00: AGG掰 07/05 00:12
104F:推 qoomilk: 掰 07/05 00:13
105F:推 Fernandez05: 掰 07/05 00:16
106F:推 Fernandez05: 唉唉 07/05 00:16
107F:推 andy00xx: 本人发文了.. 07/05 00:18
108F:推 zoids6611xp: 本人twitter也说要成为马刺人了 07/05 00:19
109F:推 CHUNGHUA: 嗯...美国时间周五晚上就通知我们会选太阳或马刺了... 07/05 00:20
110F:推 hcl00: 不过马刺还要送掉小米 屌爷吧? 不然空间怎麽够? 07/05 00:20
111F:推 Fernandez05: 有需要大怒灌的请打+1 超过3人我就开 剩下的我无言了 07/05 00:20
112F:→ CHUNGHUA: 所以台北时间早上打了我们枪... 07/05 00:20
113F:推 andy00xx: 不想骂..待也待这麽多年了 07/05 00:20
114F:→ andy00xx: 但别想要我再支持他 07/05 00:21
115F:→ hcl00: 早有心理准备他可能会走了 不像82措手不及 感觉不需要 07/05 00:21
116F:推 smartguy: 去马刺这样马刺又更强了..看来阿拓冠军梦真的遥遥无期了 07/05 00:24
117F:推 hcl00: 马刺的强是强在板凳加先发都能有功效 07/05 00:25
118F:推 qoomilk: 每步每步我都说中 接下来就用重组的人选作重建的事情 07/05 00:25
119F:→ hcl00: 现在要签AGG他们还要清空间 清完後再看看吧 07/05 00:25
120F:嘘 BrandonRoy: 讲真的 有点不爽 07/05 00:26
121F:推 CHUNGHUA: 而AGG上推特的第一件事不是感谢阿拓及球迷...而是说他有 07/05 00:27
122F:→ CHUNGHUA: 多兴奋的加入马刺及回家... 07/05 00:27
123F:→ Fernandez05: 清空间甚麽的说实在跟我们无关了 07/05 00:27
124F:推 qoomilk: 我在意的点跟C大一样 07/05 00:27
125F:推 zoids6611xp: 没感谢球迷,真的满让人诧异的…… 07/05 00:28
126F:→ qoomilk: 我更同意上次球迷说AGG留下招募就不会到今天这样 07/05 00:28
127F:→ CHUNGHUA: AGG的合约第3年是PO,祝他们3年後再上演AGG人生 07/05 00:29
128F:推 smartguy: 若是这样完全不祝福AGG 07/05 00:29
129F:推 lovesinker: 推Roy大,还是Roy好 07/05 00:30
130F:→ qoomilk: 不用担心和诅咒别人了 看看GM捅的烂摊子三年後在西区可能 07/05 00:32
131F:→ qoomilk: 还在後段游 再继续挺GM吧 话说小牛三天就重建完毕了耶XD 07/05 00:32
132F:推 zoids6611xp: 这三年没Stotts和这个team,Agg人生也不会这麽轰轰烈 07/05 00:33
133F:→ zoids6611xp: 烈吧imo 07/05 00:33
134F:推 CHUNGHUA: 看错 是第四年PO 07/05 00:33
135F:推 hcl00: 小牛那算重建完成吗? 还没有先发PG 板凳也是大缺 07/05 00:33
136F:→ hcl00: 先发除了DJ 目前都各有痛痛病史 07/05 00:34
137F:→ qoomilk: 先发还在找还没结束 马刺也没替补这种问题简单多了 07/05 00:34
138F:→ hcl00: 小牛目前如果不做先签後换也只剩2M多薪资 07/05 00:35
139F:→ qoomilk: 不用担心薪资问题很好清 没意外至少还有Lin 07/05 00:36
140F:推 hcl00: Lin最少也要清个6M出来 除非他真的佛心拿2.多M 07/05 00:37
141F:→ hcl00: 而要清的话 肥顿应该是唯一可动的吧 07/05 00:38
142F:推 qoomilk: 小牛版先晃一圈怎生薪资空间再来说吧 07/05 00:39
143F:推 isaiah2727: +1 07/05 01:16