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标题[讨论] 关於交易首轮选秀权
时间Tue Jul 2 23:23:09 2013
下午在上一篇的推文里,和qoomilk大讨论到关於交易首轮选秀权的问题,我上
了cbafaq的网站里找了一下资料,有了初步的了解,想说在这里分享一下
首先要先提到当初跟山猫交易来G蛙时,我们送给山猫我们自己的选秀权
#1DPn8LeT
最下面的补充有提到关於选秀权
Portland Pick
top-12 projected in 2013, 2014 and 2015 and unprotected in 2016
12 13 14 15年都是前12顺位保护,16年则是不受保护的选秀权,也就是说
12~15年里只要该年度我们都是前12顺位的乐透签,我们都是自己留着
(可以不要这麽惨阿XD),如果到了2015年都是我们留下来,那麽2016年就是不
管顺位都归山猫所有
那麽 我们可不可以交易14~16(12 13我们都留下来了XD)年里面任一年的首轮选
秀权???
我查了一下
http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q85
CBAFAQ的Q85题有了详细的解答,我用我的破英文直接翻重点,翻的不顺在请
其他厉害的大大们纠正一下= ="
85. How are draft picks handled in trades? What is the Stepien rule?
85。如何交易的选秀权? 是什麽Stepien rule?
Draft picks (both first and second round) count $0 for salary matching
purposes. This is true both before and after the draft, until the player
signs a contract. This can make it very difficult to construct a trade
that is equitable in both trade value and basketball value. For example,
Vancouver selected Steve Francis with the #2 pick in the 1999 draft, and
subsequently traded his draft rights to Houston. When the trade was
finally engineered, it included three teams (Orlando was also involved),
11 players (including Francis) and two future draft picks.
选秀权(第一轮和第二轮)在新资空间里的价值为0。这是真实的,不管在之前後之
後的选秀,直到球员签订合约。这使它很难构建一个在公平的贸易价值和篮球价值
例如,温哥华灰熊在1999年的选秀大会第2顺位上挑选择了Steve Francis,随後将他
交易到火箭。当贸易终於设计,它包括三支球队(魔术也参与),11名球员(包括
Francis)和两个未来的选秀权。
Once the draft pick signs a contract, his actual salary becomes his trade
value.
一旦选秀权签订合同,他的实际工资会成为他的交易价值。
Note that even though a draft pick's trade value (for salary matching
purposes) is $0, a first round pick is included in team salary at 100% of his
scale amount once he is selected in the draft, unless he signs with a non-NBA
team (see question number 48) or agrees in writing not to sign an NBA
contract that season (see question number 14). If an unsigned first round
draft pick is traded, then 100% of his scale amount is included in the
acquiring team's team salary as soon as the trade is completed. An unsigned
second round pick does not count toward team salary.
The "Seven Year Rule" allows teams to trade draft picks up to seven years
into the future (for example, if this is the 2011-12 season, then a 2018 pick
can be traded, but a 2019 pick cannot). It is common to "protect" picks
depending on their position (for example, "we keep it if it ends up in
the lottery, otherwise you get it"). This helps to avoid a repeat of
some unfortunate past trades, such as the trade between the Cavs and
Lakers where LA received what turned out to be the first overall pick
in the 1982 draft,which they used to select James Worthy. It is common
for these protections to relax over several years. For example, a team
might convey its own pick in the first draft in which it is not a
"Protected Pick," where a Protected Pick is defined as picks 1-14 in
2012; 1-10 in 2013; 1-6 in 2014; and unprotected in 2015. If the team
owns one of the protected picks in 2012, 2013 or 2014, then they keep
it; otherwise it is conveyed to the other team. If they make it to 2015
without having conveyed a pick, then the other team gets their 2015
pick unconditionally.
"7年规则"(旧版是5年)允许球队交易未来7年内的选秀权(例如,如果现在是2011
-12赛季,那麽2018年的选秀权可以交易,但不能交易2019年的选秀权
Teams are restricted from trading away future first round draft picks in
consecutive years. This is known as the "Ted Stepien Rule." Stepien owned the
Cavs from 1980-83, and made a series of bad trades (such as the 1982 trade
mentioned above) that cost the Cavs several years' first round picks. As a
result of Stepien's ineptitude, teams are now prevented from making trades
which might leave them without a first round pick in consecutive future years.
球队会被限制连续2年交易未来的首轮选秀权,这是所谓的"Ted Stepien Rule."
1980-83 Stepien拥有的骑士,做了一系列很差的交易,让Stepien连续好几年没有
首轮选秀权
The Stepien rule applies only to future first round picks. For example, if this
is the 2011-12 season, then a team can trade its 2012 first round pick without
regard to whether they had traded their 2011 pick, since their 2011 pick is no
longer a future pick. But they can't trade away both their 2012 and 2013 picks,
since both are future picks. Teams sometimes work around this rule by trading
first round picks in alternate years.
The Stepien rule只适用於未来的第一轮选秀权。例如,如果这是在2011
-12赛季,那麽球队可以交易其2012年的首轮选秀权,而不需考虑他们是
否已经换了他们2011年的选秀权,因为他们2011年的选秀已经不再是一个
未来的选秀权。但他们不能连续交易他们2012年和2013年的选秀权。球队
会围绕这个规则来交易隔年的首轮选秀权。(例如篮网交易给老赛的14、
16、18,3年的选秀
重点在下面这段
When dealing with protected picks, the Stepien rule is interpreted to mean
that teams can't trade a pick if there is any chance it will leave the team
without a first round pick in consecutive future drafts. Suppose a team makes
a trade in 2011-12 that conveys a first round pick sometime from 2012 to
2017. The pick is protected only if it is the first overall pick from 2012 to
2017, and if it is not conveyed by 2017, the other team gets cash instead. In
other words, in order to avoid sending a pick from 2012 to 2016, the team
would have to win the first overall pick in the draft lottery five seasons in
a row. Even though the likelihood of this happening is essentially nil, the
team is not allowed to trade its 2018 pick.
当交易中受保护的选秀权,Stepien rule被解释为球队不能交易选秀权,如果有任何的机会
,会让球队未来几年都没有首轮选秀权(if there is any chance it will leave the team
without a first round pick in consecutive future drafts.这边我好像翻的不顺= =)。
假设一个球队,在2011-12年做了一个交易,送出一个在2012年至2017年当中被保护的首轮
选秀权,而这被保护的选秀权是2012年至2017年的状元签,如果到2017年都没有送出选秀权
球队只得到现金,而不是选秀权。换句话说,为了避免送出2012至16年的选秀权,球队必须
要赢连续5季的状元签。即使这种情况发生的可能性基本上是零,球队是不允许交易2018年
的首轮选秀权。
下面就先不翻了,好累...XD
If a team trades two future first round picks and the first pick is
protected, then the first pick would be conveyed in the first draft in which
it is not a protected pick (as described above), and the second pick would be
conveyed in the first allowable draft (per the Stepien rule) in which that
pick is not protected (i.e., two years after the first pick). But since both
picks must be conveyed within seven years, the protection on the first pick
cannot last longer than four years (i.e., the first pick must be conveyed by
the fifth year). A team can have no more than one trade with such a waiting
period in effect at any time.
Other rules that pertain to trading draft picks:
Teams cannot trade future picks not already in their possession. For example,
a team cannot make a trade in 2013 that conveys the lesser of any 2016 first
round pick in its possession on the date of the 2016 draft, and subsequently
acquire a pick to send.
Any or all teams in a trade may be granted the one-time option to defer the
conveyance or receipt of a pick for one year (only). For example, a trade
between Miami and Orlando that includes Miami's 2012 first round draft pick
might provide Miami with the option to defer the pick to 2013. In addition:
A team can exercise a pick deferment only once.
The conveyance of a pick can be deferred for only one year.
A protected pick (as described above) cannot be deferred.
The deferment is subject to the Seven Year Rule. A pick in the seventh year
following a trade cannot be deferred.
Except for pick protection and the one-time option to defer the conveyance of
a pick as described above, trades must specify the precise year in which a
pick is to be conveyed.
A traded draft pick cannot have protection based on draft position and a
one-time option to defer.
Teams are required to have only a first round pick, and not necessarily their
own first round pick. Teams may trade away their own future picks in
consecutive years if they have another team's first round pick in one of
those years.
A team cannot sign and immediately trade a draft pick in a sign-and-trade
arrangement (see question number 89).
Teams cannot trade picks in that day's draft on the day of the draft before
the pick is made.
Lottery picks cannot be traded from 6:00 PM on the day before the draft
lottery until the lottery is complete.
所以回归到这个议题,在这CBA的规定之下,我们欠山猫的首轮选秀权是14~15的前
12顺位保护,16年是无保护的选秀权,在我们还没还山猫选秀权时,我们就不能交
易14~16年的首轮选秀权,然後在
Stepien rule的规定内,我们也不
能交易2017年的首轮选秀权,要交易首轮选秀权,得交易2018年後,除非我们在明
後年就还了山猫选秀权,假如明年14年归还,15年的首轮选秀权能交易了,但还是
必须符合"Stepien rule"的规则,不能连续2年都交易掉首轮选秀权
所以这就是为何我看了Jason Quick的推特,以及Blazer's edge的Dave都有提到
我们很难交易首轮选秀权的原因,因为现阶段只能交易2018年的选秀权,而这年分
太远了,也不好卖
以上的翻译如果有误,在请大大们帮忙修正一下,我只能用Google翻译加自己的解
读做修饰而已...囧
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1F:→ CHUNGHUA:假如我理解有误也请大大们指正...= =" 07/02 23:30
2F:推 impossible:推推推,感谢感谢 07/03 00:11
3F:→ spurs2120:这篇可以借转NBAGM板吗? 07/03 00:31
4F:推 Hinrich12:很详细 推!!! 07/03 00:33
5F:推 andy00xx:要给山猫的这支签不能拿来交易吧? 只是延後给猫猫而已吧? 07/03 01:15
6F:→ andy00xx:话说拓拓最近谁都看上眼..疯狂洗新闻版面XDD 07/03 01:16
7F:推 derwy:用心推~ 07/03 01:32
8F:推 AdamHmc:认真推~ 07/03 02:15
9F:→ CHUNGHUA:刺板板主s大~欢迎转载,帮我修饰一下翻准一点就好XD 07/03 07:42
10F:推 qoomilk:推推推推推推 07/04 04:34
11F:推 Fernandez05:用心认真推! 07/04 09:35
12F:推 ben5277: 用心认真推! 这篇可以收起来当说明文用了 07/04 12:17
13F:→ CHUNGHUA:翻译的不是很好,献丑啦XD 07/04 13:35
14F:推 isaiah2727:推! 07/04 13:59
15F:→ CHUNGHUA:我发现後面举例错误了XD如果14年首轮签还给山猫後,15年 07/04 14:02
16F:→ CHUNGHUA:年的时候,就可以交易首轮签了,因为14年已经"过去式"了 07/04 14:05
17F:→ CHUNGHUA:只是要合乎规则不能连续交易2年的首轮签即可 07/04 14:06
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