作者PriorityPass (PP卡)
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标题Re: [闲聊] 今天桃园小插曲
时间Sat Aug 20 15:29:22 2011
※ 引述《PriorityPass (PP卡)》之铭言:
: http://www.airplanefactory.co.za/sling4atw_news.asp
他们知道有关CI919 的事情
节录他们在网站上回答当时的状况:
OK, so that’s the rules. What a pity I have, in the same post, to write
about the China 919 question! Actually, Jean and I only found out about the
fiasco when my brother Andrew directed us to our own Facebook page late last
night! After we landed ATC ground instructed us to taxi by taxiway “November
Charlie to the end”. We were already on a taxiway, the name of which I don’
t recall. I was on the radio, Jean driving. We came to a multi-directional
crossing about 40 meters off the active runway and I asked which way we
should go. As it turned out November Charlie was marked with two boards, but
it did an acute angle there, one sharp right, back towards the active runway
at a gentle angle, the other gentle right, curving to parallel with the
runway. The ATC said “turn right onto November Charlie”. Jean assumed he
meant hard right, so commenced turning. ATC quickly chipped in “No, no”, so
Jean continued the turn, on a tickie, doing a 360, and then headed off at the
gentle right angle.
Even if we’d gone down the sharp right 'on-ramp’ to the runway, it was a
good 50 metres to the active runway junction and the “stop line” was a good
30 meters from where we were. Anyhow, being on the ground frequency, we didn’
t even realise that there’d been any consequence, since the China 919 flight
was obviously on the tower frequency already. Hence we discovered that there’
d been problems only when this popped up on our Facebook page after we got to
the hotel (we’d even spent three quarters of an hour on the far apron
refueling and it wasn’t brought to our attention!). What must have happened
is that the China Airlines flight was already rolling and saw us doing a turn
back towards the runway. Although there was a good 50 meters for us to run to
get to the active runway on that taxiway, it was at an acute angle, which
perhaps he couldn’t see, so perpendicularly we were probably only 20 meters
off the runway. Anyhow, he probably just thought “What the hell are these
lunatics in this little mosquito doing? I’m not going to take any chances, I
’m hitting the brakes.” I assume that he must have hit them pretty hard and
somehow burst a tyre. Hhhmmm, what a pity – it kind of bursts my bubble a
bit – I thought we’d been doing so well. Anyhow, life has a habit of
bumping you down a couple of rungs just when you think you’re up!
不知有谁解释一下~ XD
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1F:推 cchermit:自我感觉良好 08/20 15:51
2F:推 cgy:跑道出口都会有编号,他里面好像是搞不清楚编号,用出口角度 08/20 15:53
3F:→ cgy:判断,昨天因为有一断时间恍神,没注意听,回过神来,塔台已经 08/20 15:54
4F:→ cgy:叫919不要起飞XD 显然这两名老兄回到旅馆才知道闯祸 08/20 15:55
5F:推 isaacc:自我感觉很良好啊? 为什麽有关单位不是马上去调查?离谱! 08/20 16:38
6F:→ isaacc:她们还不知道是塔台呼叫CI停止起飞的吧?还以为教官看到蚊子 08/20 16:39
7F:→ isaacc:看到最後那段...华航正式求偿一下让她们知道人生甘苦吧~ 08/20 16:40
8F:→ isaacc:让我们台湾人对她们说【Hhhmmm, what a pity】吧~ 08/20 16:41
9F:→ cgy:调查了啊...下礼拜会民航局开会调查,有人说能不能留人机下来 08/20 16:56
10F:→ cgy:调查,我们应该只能调查过後,若该飞行员有疏失只能去函南非 08/20 16:57
11F:→ cgy:民航局,有没有处罚看对方民航局,基本上是不太能留置对方人机 08/20 16:58
12F:→ cgy:,所有的对话记录已经都有保存,至於华航求偿,那就去打民事官 08/20 16:58
13F:→ cgy:司吧。 外 08/20 16:59
14F:→ cgy:不过并没有如记者讲 只差500m,919刚要toga就被取消飞行许可 08/20 17:00
15F:推 mykorianda:太扯了..... 这种事情可以还让他们先回去旅馆的吗? 08/20 18:42
16F:→ mykorianda:真有那麽状况外 跟自己没甚麽关系的人... 08/20 18:43
17F:→ cgy:这不是犯罪,这跟大家在道路上超速 闯红灯 一样,只要蒐证完 08/20 18:49
18F:→ cgy:後,回去就等通知,没有什麽大不了问题,要赔偿去打民事官司 08/20 18:50
19F:→ cgy:,不用说麽万一,万一有万一的处理方法。 08/20 18:51
20F:推 redomega:没再超过holdshort line的话,也不能算RWY incursion 08/20 19:05
21F:推 redomega:顶多说他误解ATC,在滑行道上乱滑......要怎麽求偿?? 08/20 19:10
22F:→ KCETinTW:全都把错推到小飞机上,ATC完全没错??? 08/20 20:11
23F:推 aschaos:ATC!? 飞行员有应先知道机场动线的责任 不然应停止并询问 08/20 20:24
24F:→ aschaos:难道ATC要等小飞机真的往跑道移动才能取消华航许可? 08/20 20:25
25F:→ cgy:现在都下定论太早,大家都是听新闻 记者拼凑,耐心等候调查报 08/20 20:32
26F:→ cgy:告吧。 08/20 20:32
27F:→ Danjor:会在滑行道上转360度就超扯了...ATC是避免该机又傻傻的闯 08/20 20:49
28F:→ Danjor:进去 才会要华航放弃起飞 除非华航机上有乘客受伤 08/20 20:50
29F:→ Danjor:不然航机没受损 还真没啥可以告..只能跟注册国申诉开罚 08/20 20:51
30F:推 f1234564290:china919是国航吧......人家callshgn明明是dynasty 08/21 01:22
31F:→ f1234564290: callsign 08/21 01:23
32F:推 f1234564290:其实如果照他这里说的 那其实也不是什麽很严重的事啦 08/21 01:30
33F:→ f1234564290:离停止线都还有30m tower用高安全标准要求ci abort 08/21 01:32
34F:→ f1234564290:只是刚好遇到妓者喜欢把是说得很严重...扰乱视听 08/21 01:33
35F:→ f1234564290:至於调查了话 要把人机留下来也要看国际法的规定 08/21 01:34
36F:→ f1234564290:请国际公法强者补充 08/21 01:34
37F:→ sinohara:不过最後有提到 他们看样子暂时没办法离开台湾了 08/21 02:12
38F:推 f1234564290:有个疑问 小飞机生场了话也可以请求FOLLOW ME吧? 08/21 04:14
39F:→ f1234564290:请求的话要另外付钱吗? 08/21 04:14
40F:→ cgy:follow me 要额外付钱 08/21 08:27
41F:→ cgy:留下来应该是经过民航局调查,调查完之後也就放人 08/21 08:29
42F:→ Lawaly:转360度是不是等於没转的意思 08/21 16:39
43F:推 tonyni:原文是说转了 360 以後再往微右那个弯前进 08/22 10:17
44F:推 soonga:在大机场里滑行的小飞机视野很差,看错滑行道很正常! 08/22 20:47