作者nathancn (nathan)
看板Angels
标题[讨论] Might be time for Scioscia to leave
时间Mon May 6 22:31:14 2013
开始热烈讨论.......Scioscia...
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KEN ROSENTHAL
ANAHEIM, CALIF.
Watching the Angels this season, I keep thinking, “Why does Mike Scioscia
need this?”
This is his 14th season in Anaheim. His best teams had an aggressive,
distinctive style. This one revolves largely around two free-agent sluggers
whose worst years are ahead of them, Albert Pujols and Josh Hamilton.
The Angels no longer run. They no longer play crisp defense. They’ve got the
worst farm system in the majors, according to Baseball America. And they’re
locked into Hamilton at $25 million per season through 2017 and Pujols at $24
million per season through ’21.
I’m not ruling out that the Angels could rebound from their 11-19 start once
their injured players get healthy. But even if that happens, what is the end
game?
Other injuries are bound to occur. The team is boxed in on the trade market
by its lack of young talent and owner Arte Moreno’s desire to stay under the
luxury-tax threshold. And in the best-case scenario, can anyone seriously
envision the Angels’ rotation carrying the club through three postseason
series?
Scioscia takes pride in adapting to his talent, and he did that quite well in
the final five months of last season, nearly leading to the Angels to the
postseason after a start very similar to this one. He is deeply invested in
the franchise, and would not want to leave with unfinished business. But even
though he is signed through ’18, a fresh start eventually might be best for
all.
For the sake of discussion, let’s assume the Angels miss the playoffs for
the fourth straight season. The team’s home attendance and local TV ratings
likely would decline, maybe even sharply. And Scioscia would become the face
of the team’s failure, though many of the Angels’ problems are not his
fault.
General manager Jerry Dipoto’s master plan this season was for a powerhouse
offense and shutdown bullpen to mask the shortcomings of a modest rotation.
Injuries, particularly in the bullpen, have rendered the plan unrecognizable.
And unlike last season, there will be no Mike Trout and Zack Greinke to save
the Angels – and not even those two, plus a red-hot Torii Hunter, could lift
the club to the playoffs in 2012.
Remember how the Angels of old pressured opposing defenses with their
base-running? These Angels are tied for ninth in the American League with 19
stolen-base attempts. They are in tied for 11th in going first-to-third, a
category they led in four of the past six seasons. And they rank second in
grounding into double plays.
Some of this falls on Scioscia, who dropped the speedy, electric Trout from
the leadoff spot to the No. 2 spot after eight games. Some of it also is a
reflection of Hamilton’s season-long slump, plus injuries to shortstop Erick
Aybar, third baseman Alberto Callaspo and now center fielder Peter Bourjos.
Then again, the injuries only point out another of the Angels’ flaws –
their lack of a quality bench.
The defense is another problem. The Angels lead the AL with 21 errors and are
tied for second with 21 stolen bases allowed. Right-hander Tommy Hanson was
particularly helpless against the Orioles on Saturday, allowing three
uncontested steals in five innings.
Again, the effect of the injuries cannot be dismissed – just as the absences
rob the lineup of flow, they contribute to the lack of defensive consistency.
On the other hand, the excuse only goes so far. The Yankees are surviving
just fine with even more significant losses. For a Mike Scioscia team, the
Angels too often look like they don’t know how to play.
Of course, Scioscia didn’t pick these players – Moreno was the driving
force behind the Pujols and Hamilton signings, and Dipoto rebuilt the
rotation, which actually has performed better of late. No baseball manager,
in the parlance of Bill Parcells, “shops for the groceries.” But Scioscia
has lost influence under Dipoto, and former Angels such as David Eckstein and
Darin Erstad seemed to be purer reflections of the manager than many members
of the current club.
But want to know what is really scary?
For the Angels, in the foreseeable future, this might be as good as it gets.
It’s bad enough that the Angels traded shortstop Jean Segura to Milwaukee
for two months of Greinke last season. But at least Segura was stuck behind
second baseman Howie Kendrick and shortstop Erick Aybar, both of whom
recently signed long-term deals.
Worse, the Angels have parted with an entire rotation of the future in
win-now trades. Left-handers Tyler Skaggs and Patrick Corbin went to Arizona
for righty Dan Haren and righty Johnny Hellweg to Milwaukee for Greinke.
Righty Tyler Chatwood went to Colorado for catcher Chris Iannetta, and righty
Donn Roach to San Diego for reliever Ernesto Frieri.
Ah, but at least the Angels can replenish through the draft, right? Not so
fast. In September 2010, the team fired Eddie Bane, the scouting director who
delivered Trout, outfielder Mark Trumbo and right-hander Jered Weaver, among
others. And in the past two years, the Angels sacrificed first- and
second-round picks for signing Pujols and lefty C.J. Wilson and another first
rounder for signing Hamilton. The pickings are slim when your first choice is
at No. 114, as it was for the Angels last year, and No. 59, as it will be
this year.
Again, the question begs asking: Why does Scioscia need this? He is 54, the
same age as Indians manager Terry Francona. When Francona left the Red Sox
after eight seasons in 2011, he spoke of failing to reach his players and
said, “It’s time for a new voice.” Scioscia might be too stubborn and
proud to make a similar concession, and he also has a contract while Francona
didn’t. But if the Angels fail to recover, something will have to give.
Scioscia could take a year off like Francona, but that would require him to
renounce his contract. Better Scioscia should sit down with Moreno with the
two agreeing to part amicably through a John Farrell-type trade – only with
a bigger return.
The Dodgers, Scioscia’s former team, would be the most obvious possibility.
Moreno would recoil at the idea, but if he could parlay Scioscia’s
reputation into a significant player or two, why not? The Angels could hire a
new manager with new energy. And they would be better for it.
Fourteen years is a long time for a manager to stay in one place. Especially
when everything is no longer the same.
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2F:推 muerta18:推推推 05/07 07:55
3F:推 mrkey:总算有大咖的insider敢写这论点了 05/07 08:59
4F:推 Elabaut:三害终於要除尽了吗 05/07 14:03
5F:推 EviL1988:说虾还蛮适合代言安养院的 05/07 16:34
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7F:推 enoeno:路过看到楼上的推文 XDDDDD 05/07 18:20
8F:推 tunababy:其实这篇有讲了很多东西,有没有人想讨论一下的... 05/08 08:54
9F:推 pasti:越来越稳了 爽 05/08 09:24
10F:推 jjlooney:送走Corbin和Skaggs那个交易太伤 两人都是我们缺乏的左投 05/08 10:29
11F:→ jjlooney:新秀,而且水准在Kazmir, Saunders, Vargas之上 其他几个 05/08 10:30
12F:→ jjlooney:大概就Chatwood太早上来了有rush到,又急急忙忙把他交易 05/08 10:33
13F:→ jjlooney:但考虑到那时捕手是Mathis还可以接受 05/08 10:33
14F:推 lewissky:话不是这麽说 没skaggs哪来的Haren 况且小蛇自己花时间养 05/08 11:50
15F:→ lewissky:chatwood <-> Iannetta 也是good move 05/08 11:52
16F:→ jjlooney:Iannetta那个交易我觉得不错,Haren也交出很棒的数据;但 05/08 11:59
17F:→ jjlooney:Skaggs和Corbin可能是Reagins时期以来本队最好的投手新秀 05/08 12:00
18F:→ jjlooney:加上又是左投,一次出pair我觉得有讨论空间 05/08 12:01
19F:→ jjlooney:要换Haren出这样包裹是必然的,只是个人很看重左投手... 05/08 12:41
20F:→ lewissky:或许有吧 但与其问号打在这 不如去可惜Walden-Bell-Reckl 05/08 12:47
21F:→ lewissky:Reckling 05/08 12:47
22F:→ lewissky:只是这样一来就可惜不完了...看完这篇文章我只怀念起Izzy 05/08 12:49
23F:→ lewissky:以及这已经不是说虾的球队了... 05/08 12:49
24F:推 hlpascer:骂归骂 现在每天看到说瞎在dugout里无助的样子还是很感慨 05/08 13:22
25F:→ jjlooney:其实各大职业运动好像都是 教练在同一只球队待久了影响力 05/08 13:30
26F:→ jjlooney:就会下降 马刺Popovich教练算是少数特例 05/08 13:31
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29F:推 lewissky:在球队决定大采购时就得有农场荒芜的心理准备罗XD 05/08 22:49
30F:→ lewissky:断货时如果库存不足/不佳 就变这个样子XD 05/08 22:53
31F:→ lewissky:先别担心农场吧 Major问题解决才是唯一正途(看向某老人) 05/08 22:56
32F:→ lewissky:另外就是板凳深度的问题 我是觉得交易Greinke那笔有点瞎 05/08 22:59
33F:推 hlpascer:其实也还算情有可原 mid IF被塞满了又想短期拼一把 05/08 23:18
34F:推 hlpascer:当然以结果论 一定有更聪明的办法... 05/08 23:20
35F:推 jjlooney:以前Stoneman时期常被说太保守 Dipoto和Reagins比较敢拚 05/09 00:10
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40F:推 lewissky:讲Wells那笔就算了 交易K-Mo跟Arte有相关? 05/10 00:26
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