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去年年底幸运申请到两年博後, 但一直卡在签证办不下来. 到上周五对方还写信来, 如下, 我问过科技部, 他们说不可能将fellowship转移到巴斯德. 当然这我也觉得合理. 但这个博士後的钱算是薪资吗? 会算是科技部聘的人吗? (有约聘合约?) 看到过去也有人申请法国. 好奇是否有前辈可以询问申请细节呢? 我比较方便直接跟对方讲. 当然明天会再问一次科技部. 虽然主办小姐一直暗示我说换个国家比较快 = = 谢谢大家的帮忙 如果是个蠢问题真的很抱歉. 因为一直希望赶快处理好出国的部分. Here are the legal information regarding your situation: Since 2006, any PhD students and Postodoctorants who were granted a fellowship must be covered by an employment contract to work in any French Institution: this contract covers you in case of any occupational injury. This insurance is mandatory to work in France and can only be obtained with an employment contract. Hence, pursuant to french law, no PhD student or Postdoc can be welcome at Institut Pasteur without an employment contract, either from Institut Pasteur or from another employer. Two options can be discussed to solve the situation : - either you have an employment contract with another institution, in France or abroad, proving you receive a minimum of incomes and that covers you in case of any injury that could happen while at work (any occupational injury): you could then be welcome at Institut Pasteur as a visiting researcher, via the establishment of a Visiting Researcher Agreement between Institut Pasteur and your Employer. - either the Institution that awarded the fellowship (in your case, the Ministry of Technology and Science) accepts to transfer it directly to Institut Pasteur: you could then be welcome to Institut Pasteur as an employee of the Institut (with an employment contract). In this last case (the fellowship is transferred directly to Institut Pasteur), an Agreement between the two Institutions will need to be established, to agree on the terms of this transfer and to allow you to come work at Institut Pasteur. But, if the amount of the fellowship is not sufficient to cover your salary at Institut Pasteur (including all the taxes and social contributions the Institut Pasteur has to pay), it is absolutely necessary to find a way to cover the rest of the salary : - either the Lab you will work in can complete it; - either you find another way to complement the salary with another subvention. In that case, you need to make sure that the institution that awarded you the fellowship allows you to receive another subvention. After talking with Marie-Claire Rozier concerning your current situation, it appears that : - your current employment contract with the National Yang-Ming University will end the 30th of July 2017; - you were awarded a fellowship from the Ministry of Science and Technology of Taiwan: a Postdoctoral Research Abroad Program (PRAP) - NT$2,600,000, for 2 years - to perform your postdoctoral research at the Department of Cell Biology and Infection, at Institut Pasteur. Is this fellowship will be given to you as a salary, and therefore mean that you will have an employment contract with the Ministry of technology? Or does it mean that you will receive the fellowship directly but you won't have any employment contract? - is there any possibility that the fellowship could be transferred to Institut Pasteur directly, through an Agreement with Institut Pasteur and the Ministry of Technology? In that case, I could contact the Ministry of Science and Technology of Taiwan to discuss the possibility of transferring the fellowship directly to Institut Pasteur and discuss the terms of the Agreement. But note that if they agree on transferring the fellowship to Institut Pasteur, you will need a complement of salary : if both condition are complete, then we could discuss the possibility for you to have an employment contract with Institut Pasteur. Could you give us the contact of the adequate person for this matter at the Ministry of Science and Technology to start the process of discussion? In the meantime, given the elements you gave us (no employment contract after the 31st of July 2017 that covers you from any occupational injury), it is not possible for Institut Pasteur to welcome you as an employee of Institut Pasteur or as a visiting researcher in its premises. I thank you in advance for your understanding and remain at your disposal should you require any further information. Best regards, --



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1F:推 jabari: 因为巴斯德规定上是要签工作合约 领千里马甚至公费留学都 04/16 23:20
2F:→ jabari: 会被挡 而且现行好像不给guest scientist的约了 建议转所 04/16 23:20
3F:→ jabari: orz 04/16 23:20
4F:推 insitu: 总之你需要在法国有一个正式的工作合约 04/16 23:45
5F:→ insitu: 他们法律对於工作的人都需要给一份合约保障 04/16 23:46
6F:→ insitu: 用意是好的,但这时候反而变成一个结了... 04/16 23:47
7F:→ insitu: 你这是走Scientifique的签证,需要研究单位给你一份合约 04/16 23:48
8F:→ insitu: 如果科技部不能把钱转给他们让他们用这笔钱聘你就真的麻烦 04/16 23:49
9F:推 insitu: 可以再跟法国方的承办人讨论看看有没有其他方法 04/17 00:00
10F:推 fieed: 最近欧洲越来越多国家强制将stipend转为contract,而且转 04/17 15:44
11F:→ fieed: 完之後还要抽税。抽完三四十啪的税之後根本活不下去。这个 04/17 15:44
12F:→ fieed: 无解,建议你赶快换国家比较实际。德国是个不错的选择,目 04/17 15:44
13F:→ fieed: 前stipend/fellowship还是免税,而且短时间内不会改变。 04/17 15:45
14F:推 qtzbbztq: 已经免费帮他们做事情了还要抽税 真的是吃定大家了 04/17 16:49
15F:推 jabari: f大...这跟你那个是两回事啊... 04/17 17:10
16F:推 jabari: btw 免钱的最贵 缴税有身份才彼此有保障不是吗? 04/17 17:14
17F:推 fieed: 基本上都是要把stipend转成contract才过得去,只差在欧洲 04/17 18:37
18F:→ fieed: 的fellowship有法源依据可以转,但是原po的情况没有。就算 04/17 18:37
19F:→ fieed: 转成功了,税一样要自己缴。原po的情况并不仅限於台湾的fel 04/17 18:37
20F:→ fieed: lowship,欧洲自己目前也有许多相同的问题。 04/17 18:37
21F:推 fieed: 美国还有双重课税的问题,我有同事就要缴两分税,更惨..... 04/17 19:14
22F:推 tainanuser: 推! 04/17 19:22
23F:推 gps0110: 原po就算科技部答应了可能薪资还是不够该机构要求的最低 04/17 19:25
24F:→ gps0110: 薪资? 04/17 19:25
25F:→ saltlake: 抽税会使人更严肃考虑本益比的问题 04/17 21:03
26F:→ hithoplife: 谢谢大家的回答. 目前也真的无解. 今天写信去巴斯德 04/17 22:18
27F:→ hithoplife: 人力资源部跟对方PI. 原本是表明他们建议的解决方法 04/17 22:18
28F:→ hithoplife: 都不可行. 所以之後也写信去一个德国实验室询问是否 04/17 22:19
29F:→ hithoplife: 有机会转去他们实验室. 但整个流程就是麻烦. 04/17 22:20
30F:→ hithoplife: 还要重新写计画. 科技部审核. 才能开始办签证 04/17 22:20
31F:→ hithoplife: 科技部规定十月底前要出去. 感觉时间又特别紧. 04/17 22:20
32F:→ hithoplife: 法国的PI表示他会在问看看人力资源部. 但我想机会不大 04/17 22:21
33F:→ hithoplife: 好不容易拿到经费. 结果出去一直卡卡. 心情真的阿紮 04/17 22:22
34F:→ hithoplife: gps0110. 科技部回覆. 他们拒绝签任何约跟转让 XD 04/17 22:27
35F:→ boblu: 美国的税制不是有一税不两课的精神? 04/17 22:46
36F:推 gps0110: 要不要问对方pi愿不愿意直接出钱聘你当postdoc? 04/17 22:51
37F:→ saltlake: 不同国家之间不双重课税涉及国家间租税协议 04/18 01:40
38F:→ recorriendo: guest scientist不是整个欧盟同意的制度吗 什时没了? 04/18 03:23







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