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天龙国高等文人们最期待的事情:「中华民国台湾」=中国民主化的「最後证明」 https://reurl.cc/p1oRe4 某位欧美人士说: 'Taiwan is the best proof, that a society belonging to the Chinese cultural space, can be successfully democratised.' 我的看法: Formosa, as a nation state denied its nationhood by China, appears as no more than a proof that the Old Chinese Empire can be democatised by the modern Liberal Ideal. 这即为典的型欧美「东方主义幻想」,觉得中华帝国必然能民主化。 而高贵的欧美人士,为证明「自由的风」必然可以穿透古老的长城,於是就设定 Formosa 必须扮演起「华人社会民主化的物质性证物」的角色,强迫 Formosan 必须 becoming Chinese。 但您会说 Ukrainian 必须 becoming Russian 吗? 这个人随後回覆: I am not sure you got my point, which was that we need to preserve and stand up for a free society like the Taiwanese one. That there historical, cultural and other links between China and Taiwan is undeniable and yet this does not mean that the two belong politically together. You should probably read better what I wrote because you keep making completely different arguments than mine… 我的回覆: And you should read what I wrote closely as well. Do you think the Russian empire can be democratized? If not, how about China? Your argument just seems to mistake an Oriental Empire with a modern nation-state such as Formosa. Sorry, Formosa cannot prove anything for Chiná. Do you have any serious theory of "the democratization of the Oriental Empire" for Russia and Chiná ? Please look for the proof that the Chinese-style Word-Empire can be democratised elsewhere, but not from Formosa. If you can demonstrate that both the Russia Empire and the Chinese Empire can be democratised, with international trades or anything, good luck for you. 然後,lâng-kóng (有人讲): We have learned a great lesson from the Russo-Ukrainian War. Pre-modern empires disguised as modern nation states cannot be democratized without decolonization. Talking about a free China is like talking about a free Roman Empire or Ottoman Empire, which is pointless. Góa ê khòahoat (看法): Yes, the only way out for you is to deny China is a pre-modern empire disguised as a nation state. And then you can keep your wishing thinking going. The proof for the possibility of the democratisation of the Chinese empire? You just need to point your finger to Chiná Taiwan. 在另一个脉络,有人提及了: Just curious. Can you name some elements from Chinese culture which helped Taiwan transforming into a democracy? AFAIK Chinese culture elements/thoughts are the main blockers in the transformation, even till today. 「原文说什麽台湾可以民主,所以中国也可以民主,也不交代原因,只说都讲中文都是中 华文化。 猴子跟鱼都要喝水,所以猴子能在水中呼吸,鱼能爬树,是吗? 真不知怎麽就删文了?中华文化里到底什麽元素跟什麽思想跟民主沾上边?推导过程在哪 里?几千年演化过程不看,也能当学者?」 And someone said: 'Taiwan is the best proof that if you want to be successfully democratized in Asia, you have first not to be Chinese. "Chinese culture" is definitely the most considerable burden in building a successful democratic society.' 有人也表示了类似的看法: 「 这位人士对台湾的基本认知真是大错特错。 台湾之所以有办法持续地民主化,正是因为台湾展现出了自己并不属於中华的面向。 凡是以华自居,就是不可能真正的走向民主社会。」 Góa ê kiat-lūn (结论): Democracy in Formosa cannot prove that the Chinese empire can be democratised. In fact, Taiwan proves that de-sinicisation is the necessary condition for democratisation in the Asian World. Note: “ (後)-Tè-kok (帝国)” ê ko-sū (故事)" Imperial myths and genocidal realities: 100 days of Putin’s Ukraine War. "A post-imperial Russia"? No, we just need a post-imperial Muscovy. Someone said: ‘Russia has only existed as an empire, post-imperial Russia is nothing more than self-contradiction.’ Yes, indeed. And the same can apply to the notion of a "post-imperial China". But it is still too early to talk about these issues, since the Western people, especially those thinking themselves as 'post-Orientalists", maintains that China is not an empire, so that they can keep intact their "Chinese Dream". Hō(予) ta-ke (逐家) chham-khó (参考): 第三种故事 '美国全球主义者,全世界华人,和中国共产党共同制造出来的“long march to modernization”。这种叙事说中国其实已经不再是一个共产主义国家,而是一个拥有古 老文明的国家正在拥抱现代文明。' 仔细读「第三种故事」,可以发觉:天龙国高等文人发明的「两岸三地公民社会论」,其 实已完全过时,不论是在社会科学的意义上,或是在政治创新的意义上。 「後帝国的故事」已经启动。这是我们在2022年反思 64 的最终收获与最大教训。 Lán (咱) ū-iá(有影) ài (爱) hó-hó (好好) khai-sí (开始) siá (写) “ (後)-Tè-kok (帝国)” ê ko-sū (故事)", bô-lūn (无论) sī “Lōsea (Russia) sè-kài (世界) ê āu (后)-tè-kok (帝国) ko-sū (故事), á -sī “Chiná (支那) sè-kài (世界) ê āu (後)-tè-kok (帝国) ko-sū (故 事)”. --



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