作者errard (errard)
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標題[閒聊] Jungle or not?
時間Wed Mar 10 22:15:37 2010
快換新英雄了,在此討論看看這星期對於jungle之狼大家有甚麼看法呢?
或者說,哪些英雄來撐原本應該兩人的線,比較能夠和對面抗衡呢?
個人淺見:
Jungle之優勢─
1.等級:相對於對方兩人,己方單人等級理當較高
2.擾敵:神出鬼沒的jungle之狼突然出現,gank!
3.掃蕩對方CP區讓他們無從偷賺
4.搶對方buff
Jungle之劣勢─
1.被抓的風險:對面一開始就烙人抓狼,沒抓到狼就gank下路!
抓到一樣gank下路! Double play!
2.被壓的風險:隊友A:fxxking wolf, when do you stop jungling?
隊友B:what a noob, dont even has a boot
3.狼還沒養肥,對面先肥了:隊友C:GG,their Tris(Twich) is well fed.
4.請高手補充
其實狼、熊都是常見的jungle動物,相信也讓不少玩家又愛又恨,希望大家
可以分享一些所見的或是自己不錯的jungle策略/玩法~
分享一點,關於用狼的jungle:
符文組:
以攻速和破甲符文為主,理由是CP方便而且狼的招式都不會爆擊,
所以不考慮cri chance或者cri damage的符文
天賦:
Plentiful Bounty:增加smite收入5元以及降CD
Sunder :降低6點armor
Offensive Mastery:增加對小兵傷害4點
Awareness: +5% 經驗
Utility Mastery: 延長buff時間30%
當然要這樣點,Offence不可能全滿,不過對於jungle流來說,30%的buff時間
真的很重要,很值得放棄+4%傷害。
召喚者技能:
smite:加快你的賺錢速度、讓你能早日吃buff
維持你的血量在高檔、讓你的經驗值能跟得上撐線的隊友
(而不是反倒比隊友低)
flash:叢林中逃跑、兩段跳大決...
fortify:降低掉塔的風險,儘管大家都知道有危險要去增援,可是
現在在打的蜥蜴人剩半血了... 不然就是離塔還有一段距離
而且還附加額外7點對小兵傷害,帶了不吃虧
Jungle部份:
(小型)三匹狼:不准用smite!絕對不准!
石頭人:smite可以打半血,有點+5% exp的話打完就能升級了
幽靈群:等級一沒smite是打不贏的,有smite則可輕鬆吃,而且
大幽靈給的經驗很多
(大型)石頭人/蜥蜴人:帶上rally 1级可以吃,2級帶上smite+紅藥水也OK
裝備:
起手 +10 damage + 1 health pot
+18 armor + 1 ward + 2 health pot
+12% lifesteal
全jungle套餐:Madred's Razors(1000 gold)
加快CP速度,提早進6級
Ganker套餐: Phage(1315 gold)
Hunters Call改強後,緩起來好殺度百分百
注意事項:
1.讀取的時候注意對方的召喚者技能,有smite的jungle機會大
2.觀察對方買的裝備(Tab),起始475元,對方沒花完則很有可能買眼
3.打大型怪前,先看看對方的人員動向,決定要不要扣著smite防敵人
搶buff
4.Blood Scent不用太早點,點了對jungle沒幫助,而且要gank也容易
被察覺。現在那個標示也太大了,要不發現還真難~
5.龍的戰略地位相當重要,是狼兒誓死守護的Jungle地點,一定要放眼
可以的話就吃!
參考眼位:
http://0rz.tw/aqYPW
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◆ From: 218.169.98.33
※ 編輯: errard 來自: 218.169.98.33 (03/10 22:17)
※ 編輯: errard 來自: 218.169.98.33 (03/10 23:01)
1F:→ SamMa :個人覺得,隊友被壓不知道回線的狼很糟糕 03/10 22:33
2F:→ SamMa :看到1v2隊友血剩半條,就該過去幫忙了 03/10 22:33
3F:→ SamMa :讓隊友有空吸個血,或是回家補給一下 03/10 22:34
4F:→ errard :現在跳遊戲會有3min/10min的懲罰,否則之前有的玩家 03/10 23:02
5F:→ errard :看你選狼就跳了,真辛酸~ 03/10 23:02
6F:推 Dolacone :現在看到ww/yi/try三出二還是得跳啊XD,太後期了 03/10 23:07
7F:推 xaviers1123 :好的狼大絕可以突破陣線 薄一點的就死了 03/10 23:22
8F:→ yzpdal :不管是是突破 或者是秒掉對方最有威脅的 WW都很好 03/10 23:23
9F:推 kafka0 :好文啊!吃藍buff,可以再詳述一下嗎? 03/10 23:40
10F:推 toughbank :youtube有影片專門教ww如何jungling 03/10 23:45
11F:推 doomdied :開場買armor加兩灌水就可以吃藍buff,之後就不用說了 03/11 00:35
12F:→ errard :剛剛一開始就有leaver, 4v5我就沒jungle了對上sion 03/11 01:04
13F:→ errard :mord... 對方想塔殺讓我開fortify的結果就是... 03/11 01:05
15F:→ errard :不過這只是低等的小對戰,笑笑就好~ 03/11 01:07
16F:推 Dolacone :樓上的leaver在哪?XD 03/11 01:07
17F:→ errard :後來又re了,那時我7級~ 03/11 01:09
18F:→ errard :看的真仔細! 03/11 01:09
※ 編輯: errard 來自: 218.169.98.33 (03/11 01:52)
19F:推 ric917 :圖片的故事告訴我們 坦克只出傷害裝備還是要被秒 03/11 02:21
20F:→ ric917 :法師出再多防 還是得被殺 狼夠蠢連cp都打不多 03/11 02:22
21F:推 ric917 :好玩家不拘泥於形式還是會有好表現 03/11 02:41
22F:推 psboy :玩的好的ww也有啊 連對手都稱讚勒 qq 04/06 14:53
23F:→ psboy :好的ww會觀察全場 就算跑jungle也不會放著線不管 04/06 14:54
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39F:噓 opojc2c : 04/11 11:16
40F:噓 opojc2c : 04/11 11:19
41F:噓 opojc2c : 04/11 11:21
42F:噓 opojc2c : 04/11 11:23
43F:推 feather7124 : 02/08 23:05
44F:推 diefish5566 : 我打野都不打野怪 在中路殺小兵 和單中有八成像 01/15 03:05
45F:推 duece0927 : 我打也都不吃野 改在下路插眼遊走保AD和SUP有九成像 01/19 02:48
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47F:推 f051372 : 87 01/26 20:07
48F:推 taiwanstrike: 闢新戰場 01/26 22:21
49F:推 wssxxx : 太87啦~~ 01/26 23:12
50F:推 BaXeS : GOGO 01/26 23:38
51F:推 h4321oem : 878787878787878787878787 01/27 01:22
52F:推 a34781261 : 87 01/27 03:01
53F:推 andy31313 : 87 01/27 08:34
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56F:推 taiwanstrike: 八七騎士來喔 01/27 15:45
57F:推 p2p8ppp : JG有夠87 01/27 18:14
58F:推 asd2260123 : 打野豬騎士來喔 01/27 21:26
59F:推 qazwsx80316 : 野豬騎士來喔 01/27 21:43
60F:推 jerry07539 : 野豬騎士來喔 01/27 23:48
61F:推 www16852 : 野豬騎士來喔 01/28 02:12
62F:推 shwei2012 : 87 01/28 02:26
63F:推 qazwsx80316 : 安安 01/28 06:47
64F:推 f051372 : 野豬騎士來喔 01/28 09:58
65F:推 f051372 : 野豬騎士來喔 01/28 10:00
66F:推 p2p8ppp : 87 01/28 13:46
67F:推 qazwsx80316 : 01/28 19:51
68F:推 taiwanstrike: 87 01/28 21:36
69F:推 death19407 : 捌柒 01/29 00:37
70F:推 tim8177414 : 87 01/29 01:37
71F:推 uc500 : 87 01/29 02:48
72F:推 qazwsx80316 : 好的 01/29 19:29
73F:推 taiwanstrike: 87 01/29 19:47
74F:推 g5637128 : 87 01/29 23:28
75F:推 f051372 : 87 01/29 23:34
76F:推 h4321oem : 野區有隻豬 01/30 00:13
77F:推 leftless : 87 01/30 00:54
78F:推 leftless : 87 01/30 01:21
79F:推 qazwsx80316 : 口苗口苗 01/30 10:19
80F:推 asd2260123 : 野豬騎士來喔 01/30 14:41
81F:推 taiwanstrike: 87 01/30 17:25
82F:推 vic3560812 : 87 01/31 12:46
83F:推 rich830502 : 87 01/31 14:16
84F:推 taiwanstrike: 87 01/31 22:40
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88F:推 taiwanstrike: 87 02/01 20:55
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90F:推 wssxxx : 各位87們 新年快樂 02/01 22:09
91F:推 h4321oem : 新年快樂 87 02/01 23:55
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94F:推 FertilizerN : 87 02/02 01:55
95F:推 f051372 : 87 02/02 11:27
96F:推 taiwanstrike: 87 02/02 16:28
97F:推 jerry07539 : 87 02/02 19:09
98F:推 p2p8ppp : 87 02/02 20:13
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100F:推 fishpill : 狂 02/02 23:47
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142F:→ funkD : 勇者 <( ̄一 ̄ ) 02/03 12:25
143F:→ aa58231 : 致敬 <( ̄ㄧ ̄ ) 02/03 13:11
144F:→ BaXeS : <( ̄ㄧ ̄ ) 02/03 13:29
145F:→ h4321oem : 太神啦 02/03 14:49
146F:推 duece0927 : 為您默哀<( ̄ㄧ ̄ ) 02/03 16:13
147F:噓 diefish5566 : 太慘了 02/03 16:26
148F:推 f051372 : 笑死XDDDD 02/03 16:34
149F:噓 f051372 : <( ̄ㄧ ̄ ) 02/03 16:36
150F:→ taiwanstrike: 您真是87 向您致敬20日 02/03 21:57
151F:→ wssxxx : 致敬 <( ̄ㄧ ̄ ) 02/03 23:10
152F:→ fishpill : 致敬 <( ̄ㄧ ̄ ) 02/03 23:20
153F:→ asd2260123 : 勇者 02/04 01:13
154F:→ rainnawind : <( ̄一 ̄ ) 02/04 02:09
155F:→ p2p8ppp : 致敬 <( ̄ㄧ ̄ ) 02/04 17:28
156F:推 DioEraclea : 朝聖 4DJ 02/12 22:31
157F:噓 taiwanstrike: 事隔9天還是掰了 02/12 22:42
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159F:噓 h4321oem : . 03/12 11:22
160F:推 Firstshadow : (づ′・ω・)づ QQ 03/21 03:21
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162F:推 John6023 : 巴巴戰士來啦~ 04/12 18:59
163F:噓 diefish5566 : 我就是不想jg 04/12 23:33
164F:推 John6023 : (づ′・ω・)づ該下SKT還是RNG呢... 05/12 00:17
165F:噓 BaXeS : SKT 05/12 01:41
166F:推 XingDi : 推,雖然我覺得他們好像直接無視了 06/13 00:59
167F:噓 taiwanstrike: 顆顆 06/13 01:23
168F:推 juyhnmki : 唉唷 他的手可以穿過我的巴巴R 偷偷88 ㄎ 06/22 21:24
169F:噓 wssxxx : ㄎㄎ 不到5分鐘 06/22 21:30
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171F:噓 HomerEDLee : 87 06/30 20:42
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174F:推 aggress5566 : 什麼抓到 巴巴 巴巴 巴巴 08/17 00:10
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176F:推 aggress5566 : 樓下金城武 巴巴 巴巴 巴巴 09/19 23:41
177F:噓 chou3321 : 87 09/19 23:59
178F:推 justinchiao : 0 01/22 23:54
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183F:噓 faelone : 不要調皮 04/04 20:27
184F:推 a25380 : (づ′・ω・)づ 04/04 20:27
185F:噓 p2p8ppp : 87 04/04 22:05
186F:推 udx12356 : 把特哥還給我 04/11 05:45
187F:噓 p2p8ppp : 不要 04/11 12:26
188F:推 handle0802 : 推 07/08 20:07
189F:噓 RancoonYuan : ... 07/09 01:17
190F:推 HJC6666 : +1 07/28 11:55