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標題Re: [外絮] 史上最引戰的鄉民:Joel Embiid
時間Thu Dec 14 13:15:37 2017
※ 引述《taylorliao (Page)》之銘言:
:
: The Greatest Story Ever Trolled
: 史上最引戰的故事 - Joel Embiid
: Joel Embiid has turned the Sixers' famed process into performance art, and
: everyone is feeling merry and bright -- for now.
: 來看看 Joel Embiid 是怎麼將費城76人行之有年的坦克文化,轉變成一場表演藝術,而他
: 又是怎麼讓大家的心中都變成他暖暖的文字,洋溢著滿滿的幸福......至少現在是啦。
: by Ramona Shelburne
: 12/12/17
這篇訪談的作者Ramona Shelburne
這兩天因此上了不少廣播節目
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8krJO9HZ5U
THE HOOP COLLECTIVE
"Greatest Story Ever Trolled"(2017/12/14)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esPcuNkOxYE
THE LOWE POST
Kevin Pelton & Ramona Shelburne(2017/12/13)
以下就原文相對應的部分
放上她的回應 & 補充的地方
另外盡量補上在哪個廣播中的哪個時間
不屬於原本這篇文章的
我就放到最後了
★★★
: We've been in a car together for about 30 minutes, driving from San Francisco
: to Sacramento, where the 76ers' irrepressible young star will meet his
: teammates for a game the next night. Already Embiid has made predictions about
: Game of Thrones, this year's NBA Finals-- "[The Warriors] will be ready to go
: seven games with the Sixers in June!"-- and how his own ride on the fame cycle
: might turn.
: 當時我們一起開車從舊金山開往沙加緬度,這30幾分鐘左右的路程上,而身旁這位精力旺盛
: 的年輕明星,將要前往去跟明天晚上要比賽的隊友們會合。在路上Embiid已經劇透權力遊戲
: 的結局、今年球季的NBA總冠軍--Embiid:「勇士將會跟我們76人在明年6月廝殺到第七場!」
: 、還有他自己的人氣曲線,將有可能會轉向。
(27'11) THE HOOP COLLECTIVE
作者也十分訝異
Embiid在美國待了7年而已
就知道所謂的「人氣曲線」(Fame Cycle)
: "People love you at the beginning," Embiid explains. "But at some point they're
: gonna start hating you. LeBron. Russell Westbrook. All the superstars. Even
: Steph. He's so likable. He does nothing wrong, but some people still hate him.
: It just comes with the nature of it. I've seen it.
: Embiid解釋:「大家剛開始都會很喜歡你,但到了某個階段後,他們就會開始討厭你。你看
: 像 LeBron、Russell Westbrook、還有其他的大球星,即便像是 Stephen Curry 他這麼惹
: 人愛,他也沒做錯什麼事,但還是有些人會討厭他。這就是很自然的現象,我已經見識過了
: 。」
: "I feel like I'm about to go through it. I think it's coming. People always
: want something new."
: Embiid:「我想我也將會經歷那些,我也覺得差不多了吧,喜新厭舊是人之常情。」
★★★
: Embiid loves it. When Sixers fans chant it as he shoots free throws, he'll wave
: his arms, imploring them to chant louder.
: Embiid超愛這種親民的作風,當76人球迷在他罰球時叫囂,他會揮動他的雙臂,鼓勵他們
: 在大聲點聽不見。
: "It's like Happy Gilmore out there," former teammate Nik Stauskas says. "Most
: people like the place to be quiet when they're shooting. Jo's like, 'Come on,
: man, make some noise!'"
: 前隊友 Nik Stauskas:「這超像 Happy Bilmore《高爾夫球也瘋狂》的電影片段,大部分的
: 人都喜歡在他們罰球時現場越安靜越好,但Jo剛好相反,他會說『喔拜託,大聲點我聽不見
: !』」
: And if they don't, he's not happy about it.
: 然而如果球迷不鳥他,他會不高興。
: "Oh, he eggs the crowd on," Sixers swingman Robert Covington says. "He loves
: it."
: Robert Covington:「他根本就在慫恿群眾這樣做,他超愛這樣。」
(24'40)THE HOOP COLLECTIVE
作者的觀察,感受不到情緒的話
(沒人對他咆哮、沒人為他喝采、和他一樣融入比賽)
Embiid不覺得自己活著
★★★
: So he calls himself The Process, over and over, mischievously defusing its bite
: with humor and hashtags but still cutting right up close to the quick.
: 他一而再再而三的稱自己為 The Process,很調皮的用幽默+很多Hashtags在那玩弄大家的
: 底線,但弄一弄後又很快地停手
(33:40)THE HOOP COLLECTIVE
主持人分析了Embiid的社群媒體策略 —
你先自嘲的話,別人很難拿你笑自己的點笑你
(They can't laugh at you, if you laugh at you first)
: "I'm not doing it to hurt anybody's feelings or create a situation," Embiid
: says. "I just think it's funny."
: Embiid:「我做這些不是為了傷害任何人的感受,或是惹事生非,我單純覺得很好玩。」
: This is the essence of Embiid. Always flexing. Kidding but not kidding.
: Trolling on social media, trash-talking on the court, playfully tweaking people
: to see what they'll do about it. But Embiid is pushing himself as much as he's
: pushing buttons.
: 這就是Embiid的本質。收放自如,好笑又很靠北。在社群媒體上狂酸,在球場上噴垃圾話,
: 調皮地弄人想看看他們的反應。但其實Embiid也是有很努力地訓練自己的球技,就像訓練自
: 己的嘴技一樣。
(35'00)THE HOOP COLLECTIVE
Shelburne認為
Embiid的幽默是因為他有些時候不能把話直說,
但又想說些什麼,所採取的發聲方式
這個舉動,也讓他想成為最強球員的野心看起來沒那麼明顯
★★★
: "[Embiid] literally almost ran all our bigs out of the gym," Covington says.
: "It was the first time I'd seen him, and for him to dominate like that, it was
: like, 'Well, damn.'"
: Covington:「他可以說幾乎是輾壓眾長人,那應該是我第一次看到他可以那樣制霸球場,
: 當時我的心裡想的好像是那種『哇靠』」
(31:30)THE LOWE POST
她說Covington的後背包超酷的
是一隻栩栩如生的狼
(編按:沒圖沒真相)
因為這個,她才會和他搭話
★★★
: "I think with everything, the main thing we have to do is just stay together,
: because I feel like there's going to be some type of situation where people say
: who is better between us three. And that's how it splits."
: Embiid:「我會什麼都去想,最重要的是我們都能一直站在對方身旁,因為我覺得不免到時
: 會有那種到底我跟他之間誰比較優秀的問題出來,通常都是因為這樣而讓合作破局的。」
https://tinyurl.com/ybzywf9h
(28'50)THE LOWE POST
"I saw what happened in Oklahoma City with (James) Harden, (Russell)
Westbrook and (Kevin) Durant and I don't want that to happen here," Shelburne
recalled Embiid saying.
Shelburne轉述
Embiid說過的話:
「我看過之前發生在雷霆身上的事(Harden & Westbrook & Durant解體)
不希望那樣的事發生在費城。」
(應該是指隊中一堆潛力股,好不容易長出來了,可是最終解體這件事)
★★★
: "They have a role to play in each other's success," coach Brett Brown says.
: "What interests me more than going out to dinner or being together off the
: court all the time is respect on the court. And the respect is generated
: because you look at somebody and know they care, know they work, know the team
: is in their best interest."
: 總教練Brett Brown:「他們彼此都要去扮演成就對方的角色。讓我比較感興趣的不是他們
: 一起去吃晚餐,或是休戰日的期間都一直膩在一起,而是他們怎麼樣在球場上尊重彼此。
: 而彼此尊重是可以型塑出來的,因為你可以看著某個人而知道他們在乎你,知道他們可以
: 合作,知道他們最重視的是整個球隊。」
: Brown spent 12 years working under Gregg Popovich in San Antonio, and he says
: it took years for Tim Duncan, Manu Ginobili and Tony Parker, the core of the
: Spurs dynasty, to find out how to play-- and win-- together. Popovich was
: always the strongest voice in the room, Duncan led by example, Parker was the
: beating heart, Ginobili was the conscience. Brown says he used to get emails
: from Duncan at all hours of the night, musing on how to address an issue the
: team needed to work on.
: Brown過去12年曾在聖安東尼奧馬刺傳奇教練 Gregg Popovich 下工作,而他說對於馬刺三
: 劍客 Tim Duncan、Manu Ginobili和Tony Parker這三位馬刺核心來說,也是花了很幾年才
: 找到一起打球、一起贏球的秘訣- 就好像Popovich過去一定是講話最大聲、最有話語權的人
: 、Duncan則是以身作則的帶領大家、Parker是心臟而Ginobili則是的意識一樣。Brown說他
: 過去常常在夜晚一直收到 Duncan 的email,思考著怎麼敘述一個球隊需要改善的問題。
(30'20)THE HOOP COLLECTIVE
作者表示,Brett Brown喜歡跑步,每天都跑
(NBA洪中?)
不少人跑步的時候,會聽些歌 or podcast
但Brown跑步時,不這麼做,跑步是他思考的時候
他常常會在這個時候,思考要怎樣才能讓76人像馬刺隊一樣,全隊結合在一起
★★★
: This year that's meant Brown and the Sixers have to bite their tongues when
: Embiid criticizes the way they've handled situations with Fultz, whose
: mysterious shoulder injury has kept him from any meaningful action, and former
: lottery pick Jahlil Okafor, who was finally traded to the Nets on Dec. 7, more
: than a month after requesting to leave.
: 舉個例,今年Brown和76人球團就得咬牙面對Embiid批評他們對於Fultz的作法,這位新秀
: 詭異的肩傷讓他並沒有接受有效的處理,還有樂透簽選進來的前隊友 Jahlil Okafor,他也
: 終於向球隊喊出Trade me後,在12/7被交易到紐澤西籃網。
: "The whole thing with Markelle is messed up," Embiid says. "It should not have
: happened. Obviously, it has something to do with his shoulder-- I saw that they
: said it wasn't the shoulder, but I don't believe it.
: Embiid:「整件對於Markelle的事情真的是亂搞,這根本不應該發生,很明顯的,他的肩膀
: 一定有問題,他們竟然說這跟他肩膀無關,但我根本不相信。」
(36'30)THE HOOP COLLECTIVE
關於Fultz的肩傷,作者透露,
Fultz肩膀覺得痛
所以他之前沒辦法用原本的姿勢投籃
(37'40)THE HOOP COLLECTIVE
Fultz也有把這件事告訴別人
(40'30)THE HOOP COLLECTIVE
而Embiid會開始欣賞富兒子是因為下面的故事 —
在接近選秀前,除了富兒子,沒人來76人的場館練球
這個時候,
Embiid問了富兒子一個假設性問題:
「如果你只剩下一個禮拜能活,你會幹嘛?」
富兒子:
「我會來體育館打球,因為這是我能做的最好的事。」
★★★
: In the end, trusting the process really means trusting Embiid.
: 話講到頭,其實相信過程 = 相信 Embiid。
(40'40)THE HOOP COLLECTIVE
主持人:
就你的角度來看,我們現在在「The Process」的什麼階段?
(Where are we in the process?)
Ramona Shelburne說,
Brett Brown相信他們會打進今年的季後賽
Shelburne覺得,76人全隊也是這麼認為的
不過這只是第一階段(Process 1)
季後賽是另一個球季,
到了那時候,又是另一個開始
並不是每一隊都能和之前的雷霆一樣
養成4個球星,打進總決賽
這是他們還需要努力的地方
★★★
: Seven years ago, the man didn't speak English, let alone play basketball, and
: now he's wickedly funny in another language and one of the most skilled big men
: in the sport. He jokes that he learned English by listening to rap music and
: how to shoot by "watching [videos] of white people." But clearly there's more
: to it.
: 7年前,這個傢伙一句英文都不會講,更不用談打籃球,現在卻可以這麼好笑的運用另一個
: 語言,還能搖身一變變成最有技巧的長人之一。他開玩笑地說他是聽饒舌樂學英文、和看
: 白人影片學會投籃的,但其實還遠不止這些。
(27'00)THE HOOP COLLECTIVE
Embiid是高中才來美國的
那個時候因為還不大會說英文
女職員還稱他是
無口男(Big Quiet)
★★★
: Before the NBA draft, his first agent, Arn Tellem, hired a social media coach
: for Embiid. At first, Embiid followed his instructions to post unassuming,
: sports-focused updates. "But unfortunately I got hurt and I didn't have
: anything to do," Embiid says. "I found social media was a way for me to open up
: and show the world who I was and also keep my name out there."
: 在NBA選秀前,他的第一個經紀人 Arn Tellem,聘請了一個社群媒體的指導給Embiid。起先
: 他遵行指導的只是去PO一些沒啥樂趣、但卻跟體育相關的文,Embiid:「很不幸的是我當時
: 在養傷,又沒其他事情可以做,我發現社群媒體是一個可以讓我打開大門,讓世界認識我
: 又讓大家知道我是誰的方式。」
(20'25)THE HOOP COLLECTIVE
她提到了社群媒體教練的指示:
☆po些日常生活的事
☆別觸碰爭議話題
☆別太常發文
★★★
: "On social media, I can hide behind the computer or the iPhone," Embiid says.
: "Internet courage."
: Embiid:「在社交媒體上,我可以躲在電腦或是iPhone後面,我有所謂的網路勇氣」
(19'00)THE HOOP COLLECTIVE
她表示,
鉛筆Boy其實只有碰到
「上場比賽」&
「千年鍵盤」的時候才會醒來,變成
引戰鄉民
其他時候,
(X) 他都在沈睡中
(O) 就像普通人一樣,是個害羞 & 親切的人
★★★
(27'30)THE HOOP COLLECTIVE
作者表示,
鉛筆Boy可以看了Olajuwon高光中的一個動作
然後隔天就在場上使用
這可不是常見的能力
(29'00)THE HOOP COLLECTIVE
作者認為,
鉛筆Boy其實擁有成為當家球星的一切要素
現在的問題只是他能不能帶領球隊,更上一層樓
(40'00)THE HOOP COLLECTIVE
以及讓自己的比賽更進化
--
另外關於這一篇文章 ─
#1QCD_1LQ (NBA) [ptt.cc] [花邊] Embiid的幾則外電
Joel Embiid: Sam Hinkie ‘Lost His Job Because of Me’
https://tinyurl.com/y8sc99u7
Embiid說76人前總經理Hinkie是因為他生涯前兩季因傷缺賽, 才被辭退的
在下面這個節目中,
有八卦一下Sam Hinkie為何辭職
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JET8nC4zQbc
THE HOOP COLLECTIVE
"Trusting the Sixers"(2017/12/13)
https://twitter.com/NoahCoslov/status/940710380527144961?s=17
Noah Coslov
@NoahCoslov
·
12月13日
From Jackie Mac on Hoop Collective: “someone close to Hinkie & Sixers told
me once that a tipping point for the owner to fire Hinkie was his kids were
getting teased at school about The Process.”
來賓Jackie MacMullan說,
(以下為廣播中的原話(38'43開始),不是直接翻譯上面的推特內容)
根據一位和76人 & Sam Hinkie十分親近的人士表示,
76人老闆的小孩們在學校被同學拿76人的「The Process」當梗嘲笑,
是讓Sam Hinkie最終被炒魷魚的其中一個原因,
但這件事是不是最後一根稻草,她就不知道了
後來節目就開始討論
有沒有被(O)嘲笑
(X)霸凌的經驗了 XD
--
Sloan, on his team:
"I tell them to win every game.
Sometimes they don't listen."
--
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1F:推 Magdalen : 推 12/14 13:21
2F:推 djviva : 期待Embiid成為我們這年代最棒的球星!! #永遠健康 12/14 13:22
3F:推 a19951218 : 重點是他目前打的出來 打不出來就變成單純嘴砲了 12/14 13:27
4F:推 jokethelife : 他真的很有魅力 12/14 13:31
5F:推 andy82116 : 千年鍵盤 12/14 13:32
6F:推 e920528 : 推 12/14 13:40
7F:推 cidcheng : 很想看他健健康康的變成神獸,他很討人喜歡 12/14 13:41
8F:推 greatkevin : 推 12/14 13:42
9F:推 s891234 : 推推特王!!! 12/14 13:52
10F:推 jonestem : 推,好文 12/14 13:54
11F:推 Altair : 超棒的補充文 12/14 14:13
12F:推 e2167471 : 推 12/14 14:45
13F:推 hsuhuche : 推補充。 12/14 14:55
14F:推 Olajuwon : 千年推特王 12/14 15:29
15F:推 CycleEnergy : 沒有鍵盤跟籃球就只是個羞赧憨大個 12/14 16:03
16F:推 iamaq18c : 推推 12/14 16:14
17F:推 yuiop358 : 社群媒體教練是什麼鬼 12/14 16:24
18F:推 js0431 : 籃球最強的鄉民 12/14 18:32
19F:推 liVinci : 希望常保健康 12/14 20:13
20F:推 jackyu0810 : 看了隔天就會用 原來是卡卡西啊 12/14 21:31
21F:→ peterw : 打字吧鉛筆boy! 12/14 22:41
22F:推 Wall62 : 嘴砲吧鉛筆Boy 12/15 00:11
23F:噓 jack1221 : 想辦法健康幾季 12/15 21:22